Are you a progressive?

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I'm not a "progressive", I"m a liberal.

Liberals think that women should be able to have abortions if they want to, there should be an absolute minimum of censorship and that labor unions at least sometimes protect workers.

Progressives think that we can learn a lot from Castro, Stalin won WWII (and had no part in helping Hitler start it), and that labor unions are the protectors of the working man... so long as the working man doesn't live in a communist country, in which case they're "evil reactionaries".
 
not me. I am an antediluvian curmudgeon. I think that folks should stay the heck out of other's business.

There is not a whit bit of difference between a liberal and a progressive. Liberals are all socialists, and Socialists are just communists that don't have the power to send your butt to the gulag (yet). They spend way too much time telling others how to run their lives, and most of them can't organize their own lives without their mommy telling them what to do.
 
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One of the fundamentals of manipulating public awareness is repetition. If someone hears something often enough, one begins to accept it as fact.

For instance, the statement "Hussein didn't have any weapons of mass destruction" conveniently ignores the fact that he used chemical warfare on both his own people and a neigboring country. Whether it was true or not has no bearing - it was repeated so many times that millions of people _believe_ that it is a fact.

But if you say it often enough, people come to _believe_ it. Why did I underline "believe?" Because some folks seem to want a "belief system," where a thing or concept exists because they believe in it - much like many major religions. You'll have these folks tell you that "they believe in gun control," or that they "don't believe in guns." Repetition breeds familiarity. Lots of people do not think - they react. And they react in a fashion that can essentially be programmed.

Now, we can take this concept, and apply it elsewhere - as has been noted, the word "progressive" has been co-opted. It's time to take it back.

For instance, "This web site, www.thehighroad.org, is virtual headquarters of a progressive sports and personal protection community."

The more _we_ use the term...

"Progressive" people do not want to rock the progressive boat. They _want_ people to know that they're progressive. Because progressive is good. So if you announce that a particular activity or belief is progressive, and do it often enough, you're going to have an effect.
 
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I consider myself progressive in the classical term. Not in the modern leftist way. The word progressive can be used by anyone who favors progress in certain areas. It does not have to be a word exclusive to leftist.
 
I'm a liberal which, as this thread shows, I guess makes me a progressive in the modern lexicon. I'm also pro-Constitution and believe in the RKBA and CCW.
 
As soon as they can properly define what "is" is, mebbe, I'll let 'em define what progress is."

"I did not make progress with that woman, Ms. Pelosi."
 
For instance, the statement "Hussein didn't have any weapons of mass destruction" conveniently ignores the fact that he used chemical warfare on both his own people and a neigboring country. Whether it was true or not has no bearing - it was repeated so many times that millions of people _believe_ that it is a fact.
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And your argument conveniently warps reality.

Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons (with the aid of the US) against his subjects and Iran, yes - what you leave out is that it happened 15 years prior to the invasion.

In reference to the time of the invasion, the statement you're whining about is factually correct.

Your logic is akin to Japan invading the US because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

"Progressive" people do not want to rock the progressive boat. They _want_ people to know that they're progressive. Because progressive is good. So if you announce that a particular activity or belief is progressive, and do it often enough, you're going to have an effect.
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You've already missed the boat on "Pro-Gun Progressive," dude. Only he/they use it correctly.
 
I'm not understanding the bemoaning of "them" taking the word "progressive." They've already taken the word "liberal" and almost all of you are complicit in it--with ditto-heads, et al, throwing around "liberal" like a pejorative. I'm cynical enough to believe the rightwing media knows exactly what they're doing and are using a long term strategy to simply make the rightwing much more palatable that what it historically is. Most of the people on this board are much more liberal than Limbaugh and his like would lead you to believe. Just by RKBA alone... Our forefathers, revolutionaries, were liberal. Using "liberal" like a badword is like using "cowboy" as one. Quit playing the proto-fascists' (read: limbaugh) game. THey want you to trash liberalism and are capitalizing immensely on the fact the leftwing has tried to foist themselves as the modern forebearers of liberal democracy. Guess what? I am neither rightwing nor a socialist. And I am definately not an "independent" or centrist. I am a liberal...and therefore NOT a "leftist," "progressive," nor a "Democrat." They're concocting a rigged scale, people.

There is nothing "liberal" about gun control and other statist ideals. There is plenty "progressive" about health care, socialized health care, etc. But socialist =/= liberal. I'm not using socialist as a pejorative--it's a valid and respectable way of thinking that I don't agree with, but the Democrats do. "They" are afraid of using socialist because of our history of commie-phobia. Understandable. But liberal? Are we all forgetting "bleeding heart liberal" is an IRONIC term? Liberals, by defintion, are supposed to be cold hearted SOBs that believe in the individual above all else...

Hey Republican party, I'd be a happier registered-Republican voter if you went back to the party advocating that "government isn't the solution" fom not that long ago. Hey Democratic Party, you'd get my vote if you were actually liberal.
 
Funny thing, if you look at the various people in the 20th century who labeled themselves progressive, you have people in the 1900s and 1910s who look like a modern day moderate.

If they share similar sentiments truly, we're hosed.
 
Well, I sorta thought it'd be interesting to see if we could get a ball rolling to maybe at least torque on the use, or misuse, of the word a little...

Seems folks here are a little too black and white/on and off/ones and zeroes for that to work. Not counting the folks who just have to chime in and say that they hate progressives, insist upon defining the term, or who just want to crow about being more conservative than the rest of y'all...

Sigh.

You know, it's really amazing that reloading component companies stay in business. The population percentage is likely highly self-limiting, but I'm sure that there are more than a few shooters who are _sure_ that they can get their .223 to run 4,000fps... And by golly, if Bullseye was on sale last week, then why not put it in...
 
Monkeyleg

Sad to say, Wisconsin is the birthplace of the Progressive Party in the US.

"Fighting Bob" LaFollate is still revered in this state.

If Bob had flown his true flag--the Marxist flag---he might not have had such support.

Such is the schizophrenia that is Wisconsin. Our state is the birthplace of the Progressive Movement headed by Bob Lafollate. We also were represented by Senator Joseph McCarthy.

Milwaukee was once headed by a mayor who was a member of the Communist Party...
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Whoa!! So, you're saying that "Cheesehead" is not a reference to the state's dairy industry?? :scrutiny:
 
I like to think of myself as an Enlightened Depotist. I believe I should rule everyone in an enlightened "progressive" way. :D
 
Socialism

Jaytex1969 asked the question, Am I evil, I just took a job with Progressive Insurance?
Well Jaytex, you may not be but your Head Honcho Peter Lewis, in my opinion, certainly is.
He is currently the second in line money man behind George Soros with a stated goal of changing the U.S. into more of an "Open Society" along the lines of Western European Socialism i.e. secular progessivism. Gun control restrictions being high on the list along with legalized drugs and prostitution. :evil:
Along with Soros he has funded $10 million to America Coming Together, a political organization designed to defeat President Bush in the 2004 presidential election. He's given millions to fund the ACLU and backed initiatives to legalize marajuana among other "philanthropy". Picture Amsterdam coming to a town near you.
Guess where all that money comes from? The schmucks who buy the insurance. :confused:
Run a search with the words George Soros and Peter Lewis and see what you come up with. :uhoh:
And the funny part is they're rubbing it in peoples faces, Progressive Insurance? This is how life should be? :neener:
 
Doggy Daddy: "Whoa!! So, you're saying that "Cheesehead" is not a reference to the state's dairy industry??"

Exactly right. One year we vote in a Republican legislative majority, and the next election we vote in a Democrat majority. It makes no sense.

Example: the Republicans stupidly thought that they could increase conservative voter turnout in an off-year election (last year) by putting a referendum banning gay marriage on the ballot.

If anyone here in this state is a "Cheesehead," it's the imbeciles who made that decision.

The referendum drew socially conservative Democrats who are opposed to gay marriage, Democrats who probably otherwise wouldn't have gone to vote but, as long as they were at the polls, voted for Democrats.

The referendum also drew huge numbers of college students in major university areas who otherwise would have been engaging in some other adolescent behavior. Republican candidates in these university districts got slaughtered.

Going back to the original topic of the term "progressive:" I was taught all through high school that our tax system here was "progressive," because it taxed the most wealthy at the highest percentage, and the poorest at the lowest percentage.

And I was taught that such a system was good.

A "regressive" tax system, I was taught, was one in which everyone paid the same percentage of taxes on their income.

Being the "Progressive state," Wisconsin has indoctrinated its people well. So well that anyone who retires on a pension, or can otherwise afford to leave, has already done so.

The state's largest Marxist cooperative--excuse me, I meant "union"---is the teachers' union, WEAC. They've extorted every concession from lawmakers, and have more power than any other lobby in the Capitol, and drain more taxpayer dollars than just about any other group from the state's coffers.

On their website, they advise teachers as to how to make the most of WEAC's generous retirement program. But, when it comes to advising retired teachers as to how to best live out their retirement years, what does WEAC say? LEAVE WISCONSIN!

Yep, we're just a bunch of Cheeseheads here.
 
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Jaytex1969 asked the question, Am I evil, I just took a job with Progressive Insurance?
Well Jaytex, you may not be but your Head Honcho Peter Lewis, in my opinion, certainly is.
He is currently the second in line money man behind George Soros with a stated goal of changing the U.S. into more of an "Open Society" along the lines of Western European Socialism i.e. secular progessivism. Gun control restrictions being high on the list along with legalized drugs and prostitution.


Along with Soros he has funded $10 million to America Coming Together, a political organization designed to defeat President Bush in the 2004 presidential election. He's given millions to fund the ACLU and backed initiatives to legalize marajuana among other "philanthropies". Picture Amsterdam coming to a town near you... snip...
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Thanks, forquidder. I was wondering about that. I am not yet ready to quote your remarks as fact, but it gives me grounds for more research. The NRA site had nothing on "Progressive Insurance," per se.

NRA LINK TO "ANTI" ORGANIZATIONS AND PERSONALITIES (But read their disclaimer):

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15
 
Undermining the U.S. with your money

I thought this was common knowledge by now, apparently not.

Just type it in to a search engine folks, George Soros and Peter Lewis and judge for yourself.
 
Here's the deal. If +we+ refer to -our- stuff as _progressive_ it makes the liberals all confused. Unless they're all kinda seasoned student center debaters, in which case they get mad. Which is almost as good.

Neither is a bad thing for us.

Personally, I see the furtherance of firearms rights as "progressive."

You got a problem with that?

And now we're gonna have someone try to define "neither" or "confused" or "furtherance" (or tell me that I misspelled it - I'm tired, I don't care, and if you can't figure it out, deal with it).

Or "problem."

Campers. Can we sorta focus on winning just a little teensy tinsy wee little skirmish of a battle? You can win the whole war _all_ by yourself next week, but right now, we've got this little thing going... It's called "screw with the other bunch's heads."

Enough of these little skirmishes get won, and we won't have to worry about a big battle. Learn from the enemy.
 
If we adopt the word then we can define the word. If we're in a culture war then need to define the terms of the war (pun intended).
 
I'm always a little amused when people decide that insurance company billionaires are secret Leninists.
 
The Communist Workers Party of the United States back in the 1920's through the late 1950's referred to themselves as Progressives. I love telling people who refer to themselves as Progressives that one. :D
Being called a liberal starts to look a lot better than being called a Commie.
 
I'm always a little amused when people decide that insurance company billionaires are secret Leninists.
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No, not all of 'em - only those that actively espouse such ideals.
 
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