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...or maybe progressives in general.

Right now, I'm using a Lee auto-indexing turret press. When I bought it, I had planned to primarily reload .45LC and .45ACP and a couple of rifle calibers in moderate quantity, but since I got started in this particular activity, I have found myself going out to the range more often. I am now shooting (more than) enough that one bullet per 5 strokes (I prime off press) is entirely too slow. I am now contemplating the purchase of a progressive.

I already have a lot of Lee acessories, and certainly like the price. I have read a lot of the stuff praising the Dilon equipment, and the ocassional blurb about the Hornady and RCBS offerings. The Dillon has gotten a lot of positive press (sorry) from it's users, and the pirce is certainly better than the RCBS or Hornady, but I've never seen one in the flesh, nevermind used one. I have seen the RCBS in stores and monkeyed with one a little, but the prices are far less attractive than the blue and red varieties. I have never even seen a Hornady or Lyman (new, at least, and not less than 30 years old.)

Right now, I shoot about 200 rounds of both .45 calibers when I go to a range, and a lot more on desert trips. I usually dont shoot more because my arm might fall off otherwise, and I still have to have time to reload the rifle cartriges. I do like the idea of automatic bullet and cartrige feeders. I would probably still be content to prime off press, if for no other reason than to wash the primer pockets out along with the rest of the case. This progressive would in all likelyhood be used exclusively for pistol ammo.

My questions are as follows:
(Most have been asked before, but redundancy is nice.)

1) Has anyone had the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparasion of the Lee LoadAll and Loadmaster-1000? Which do you prefer, which is more reliable, etc.

2) If I do make the jump to another brand, will I be able to use the Lee carbide pistol dies that I already own, or will I have to buy new ones at 2-3 times the price?

3) So far as Dillon goes, what are the difference between the "Square Deal B" and RL 550B presses, and what else, aside from what comes in the box, will I need to get the thing running? Does there exist a bullet and brass feeder for these presses?

4) From my limited perspective, the RCBS has little going for it aside from the color. (I like green, but a can of spray paint is really cheap.) Certainly, the price isnt seemingly competitive with the first choice, and has nothing like the reputation of the second. Also, the APS primer system doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me, just more work for little reward, and the press is described as non-indexing (at least on the midway site), which would seem to defeat half the purpose of the thing. Am I missing some great and inobvious advantage with this press?


Thank you for your time and input.
 
IIRC the Lee LoadAll is the shotshell press, right?

I've not done any SxS comparisons, but I have loaded over 10,000 12-gauge rounds on a Lee LoadAll.

It truly is one of the most underrated/unsung products in the loading market today.

It's easy to set up and easy to use.

It's fairly easy to change the powder and shot bushings (although it does require unloading the powder and shot hoppers, which is something of a pain.

It comes with all of the necessary shot and powder bushings (I don't know of a press by another manufacturer that does).

Once you get a system down you can reload a box of 25 in 5 to 7 minutes.

If you're not loading high volume, the LoadAll is a fantastic deal.
 
2. The only press that you will have to have new dies for is the Square
Deal B. IIRC they are 3/4' dies.

3. If you buy the 550B get set up for one of the calibers you want. The
only other items you will have to buy are a shell plate, buttons, tool head
and powder die.

The tool head costs $12.95 and the powder die is $6.95. If you want a
complete conversion kit it is $34.95 that includes the shell plate, locator
buttons,and powder drop funnel. Since you are loading 45 ACP and 45 Colt
you don't need 2 powder funnels. The roller handle is a nice option to get.

If you get the Dillion 550 you can also do most rifle calibers.

I did have a set of Lee dies for 9mm but they were to short to fit in the die
head. But have heard of reloaders putting the lock ring on the buttom of
the tool head. Don't know if this works or not but it sounds like it should.
 
Dammit, had an episode of brain failure. The LoadAll is indeed the shotshell loader. Nice to actually hear something about that press, but not what I was after.

What I meant to ask if anyone had done a side-by-side comparasion of the Lee Pro1000 and Load Master.
 
It looks to me like the Pro1000 is just the Lee Turret Press modded into a progressive. From what I have seen of it it looks rather complex. I dunno about pricing, but if you're going with a Lee progressive, just get the Loadmaster. You get at least one more if not two more stations, and it was built from the ground up as a full-on progressive.

I have a Loadmaster, and I like it alot. I'm not a high volume shooter, about a 100-200 rounds every other week or so, and it works great for that.

I (along with bunches of others) have made many posts about the Loadmaster in the forums here.
 
OK, I can only pass along what I know from a number of people who have them, as my only substantitive experience with Lee presses for metallic loading is with the Turret...

I've heard very mixed reviews of the higher-end Lee presses. Some people rave about them, others I know rage at them.

My experience with the Lee Turret has been fairly good, except for intermittent problems with the auto-indexing feature, but given the mixed reviews I've heard about the higher-end presses, I don't think I'm going to be getting a Lee.

I'll probably go Dillon.
 
My experience with the Lee Turret has been fairly good, except for intermittent problems with the auto-indexing feature,
My dad's experience with his Lee turret was similar. As I recall, he ripped the auto indexing system out when it began to fail to index fully. Those little plastic washers wear out fast. Given that the Pro1000 uses the same system, I'm personally not too optimistic about my odds of buying a Lee progressive. Of course, about half of the rest of my equipment is a Lee,so I'm not knocking the brand.
 
all i read about the pro 1000 is bad, but i've never had a problem i couldn't fix in a matter of seconds....

the shell plate will get out of time somethimes when i change calibers, and that will screw up everything, but it's a matter of turning a screw to fix it....

every now and then i'll screw up a primer, but i've seen that on every progressive....

the auto-disk works great with all the powders i've used, h110, ww231, and universal clays....

first thing i replaced was the return chain and spring, longer softer spring and a steel ball chain....

second thing i did was put a bolt and some washers through the hole in the top plate to hold the turret down, to get a more accurate OAL from round to round...

third thing i did was about 1000 rounds later,I stripped it down, cleaned, sanded off the rust, and painted all the steel parts....

oil it and run the hell out of it....
 
Poodle,

Yep, I've just started swinging the turret by hand.

I do my case prep a little differently.

I'll save up a couple hundred, or thousand, empties, and then deprime and size them all at one, and sock them away in storage.

When I want to load, I prime them on a Lee PrimeAll hand primer, normally while watching TV.

Realistically, then, I'm only using two of the three stations on the turret, so it's not all that important for me to have the indexing feature.
 
The Dillons are truely wonderful presses and the Lee Loadmaster is a tremendous value. The way I see it the decision to move up to a Dillion is going to be a fuction of volume. If you load more than say three thousand rounds a year I would seriously consider moving up to the Dillion. It's a little more consistant and from what I've heard a little less idosyncractic.

Between the Pro 1000 and the LoadMaster it's no contest. Put down the few extra bucks for the LoadMaster.

The Loadmaster and Dillons will both get the job done but for truely full-auto operation the Dillon wins. When I was shotting more often I considered getting a Dillion XL 650 as I thought the 550B wasn't enough of an improvement over my LoadMaster to be worth the purchase. Then my shooting fell off considerably and I saved myself the money and stuck with the LoadMaster.

I've loaded perhaps 15,000 rounds or so over the last 4 or 5 years on my Loadmaster and I've purchased about $25-30 in replacement parts for it to keep it running smoothly. It shows some wear but still runs like new. Total expense with the ablitly to do 3 calibers (including Lee dies) and replacement parts is right around $400.

I recommend downloading the manuals online from the two sites for a mechanical and operational comparision:

http://dillonprecision.com/ http://www.leeprecision.com

It will help you get a better idea of what you're getting yourself into.
 
Anybody use the Hornady Lock-n-Load AP? I've looked at the web sites, so that's as far as I've gone. It looks like a better bargain than a Dillon.
I *might* want to start reloading I'd like to know what's what too.

JohnMc
 
Dillion does not make a bullet feeder for their presses...that I know of.

They do have brass feeders, but you need to start with their 650 model which is a auto indexing loader which loads both pistol and rifle using standard dies. Probably what you are looking for if you want to use your dies and a brass feeder.

The 550 is a manual indexing loader with standard dies, no brass feeder.

I own a Square Deal which uses Dillion dies only, pistol only and is auto indexing. No brass feeder is available for this model.

The Square Deal is a good loader, IMO, if you want to load one caliber, maybe two, and leave it set up. It will easily load 400 rounds an hour without rushing. For the price, it comes set up with dies for the caliber you pick. I always thought it's for people, like me, that don't like to reload, do it quickly, leave it set up and at a reasonable price.

From what I have seen the Square Deal is not as durable or as well built as the 550 and 650. No surprise given the price differences.
 
I have just gotten a Lee Pro 1000 press and I love it. I did have a small problem with the primer feed but after a quick rub with some steel wool and the feed problem went away. The auto indexing is fix by the quick turn of a screw,Like stated above. The only time I had indexing problems is when I changed shell plates. Other than what is stated above it is a great press. I have loaded around 800 rounds in it in a matter of days. 20 to 30 min runs each night. I may get the bullet feeder to add to my press. The powder drop is right on. I only load pistol ammo in my pro 1000 press. I load 9mm, 380, and 38 spl. Once I get things setup it will take me only moments to change cals.
 
I own a dillon 550B, my neighbor has the Lee Load master, after using both the Dillon once set up is so much easier to use. I would go for the Dillon. No BS warranty is worth it. Lee doesent even have a number you can call.
 
I just called lee at this number 262-673-3075 that I got from the bottom of their web page and they are sending me out a new decapping pin for my lee carb 9mm dies at no charge and no shipping.

thats ok with me:D I have personaly never had any problems with lee but that is just my opinion:p
 
I am glad they are responding now I have had problem with their customer service in thje past. I hope that stays the same.
 
I have 2 Pro 1000's and Loadmaster. The Pro 1000 will load all pirstol cartridges but is limited for rifle reloading. The 223 Remington/5.56x45mm is the longest rifle cartridge that can be loaded on it. It has 3 holes/stations for dies in the turret so you can't use a seperate crimp die or a lube die.
The Loadmaster will load all rifle and pistol cartridges except 50 BMG. Has 5 holes/stations so you can use seperate crimp and lube dies.
As far as reliability goes it is a draw. Ease of use I have to go with the Pro 1000 as it only takes 3 strokes of the handle to produce a loaded round opposed to the five strokes of the Loadmaster.
I re-read the instructions when something goes wrong and figure it out. So I have never had the need for a 800 number to call Lee for help. I have found that when trying to solve a problem you have to realize that every thing is interconnected. The adjustments/settings of the other dies or what is or is not happening at the other stations effects every station and the functioning of the press.
Lee dies will fit other presses except the Dillon Square Deal B which use dies that are not the standard size with 7/8x14 threads. You pay the big money for the Dillon 650 which is the cheapest model they have that has auto indexing and can use a case feeder that is a $172 extra option. Lee is the only one that makes a bullet feeder and it fits their presses only.
The RCBS Pro 2000 is ment to compete with the Dillon 550B and the Hornady L-N-L AP is ment to compete with the Dillon 650. Both have the same features and options as the Dillon models they compete with.
 
If you have older LEE dies, you may need to put the lock ring UNDER the die plate when using them on other brands of presses - they were shorter than industry standard and don't always have enough threads above the die plate for the lock ring to grab onto. The latest Lee dies have the standard die body and aren't a problem.

The RCBS APS priming system is great - it's really easy & quick to load the plastic strips and everything just works without a lot of finicky adjustments usually required by other presses.

The Pro2000 has one big advantage over the 550B - a fifth die station. It also comes with all of the little accessories that you have to pay extra for with the Dillon, bullet tray, empty case and finished cartridge bins, both small and large primer setups. The Uniflow powder measure comes with micrometer adjuster for both the rifle and pistol drums. It's also easier to change calibers on the RCBS than the Dillon in my opinion (no little pins etc to mess with).

As you can tell, I really like using my Pro 2000.
 
I reload a lot more than I surf or post on the net. I have both Pro-1000 (2), make that three counting the one thats lying in a box, parted out after over a million rounds loaded with it. I also have a Load-Master.

The Pro-1000 is actually faster for things such as .45acp or .38spl for high volumn "burning" ammo. However, for loading the highest quality .38 and 9mm match (read "accuracy") ammo, I use the Load Master to take advantage of the two extra die holes.

If you're contemplating loading low volumn rifle rounds such as .30/06, .270 or 7mm RemMag, you'll have to use the Load-Master.

With the Load-Master, you have a more delicate priming assembly -and I have cracked the priming arm housing on two shell plate carriers, though a new carrier is approx. 30.00.

The Dillon's are wonderful machines, though not perfect either. If I was starting out fresh, I'd recommend the Dillons, but I'm ~20 years into the Lee's and have all kinds of extra parts and assemblys picked up from yard sales and discount bins at gun shops, there is no justification for switching from RED to BLUE.

Between the two Lee's, I recommend getting the Pro-1000 to start off, then maybe add a Load-Master later.

But there's no getting around the FACT that you'll want a really good SINGLE STAGE press like a RCBS "Rock Chucker" for those few every once in a while odd rounds I seem to load- like a hunded of so .35 Rem or .30/30's, some .338/06, and some "special" .223's, instead of the "run of the Mill 'burners'-" I run from the Pro-1000.

Seems like the more you have, the more you think you need or want !!!
 
I am getting too old to change!! having 2 Lee turret presses, a Challenger and a lightweight one for priming/sizing .... doubt I'll spend on upgrading.

A suggestion tho .. the indexing system .....

Yeah, can be irritating at times. The earlier turrets had an adjustable detent ball spring tension . which made it easier to get good indexing. Newer ones ..... no adjustment .. which is a pity as location at stopping point is less relaibel if the turret stops a tad early or late.

The nylon ''thingie'' does I find benefit from very minor lube .... even graphite ... to help it get round the helix portion of the hex rod .... lasts longer.

Plus too, and I think I mentioned this to Mike ..... the sorta split nut on the ram .. that holds/houses the nylon piece ''holder'' .... even when bolted up does not always grip enough to maintain a setting.

Simple expedient for me had been to wrap a small amount of mask tape round the part that is gripped .. in order to make it more secure. I can go many 100's of rounds loaded with minimal adjustments being necessary.

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Here is what I mean ... remember, this old beat up press is 25 or so years old .. and when looked at close has its fair share of crud build up!! You will see the tape ..... which goes round the nut part, hidden and held by the two halves of the ram clamp piece .. the bolt head is just at bottom of pic ... and this will only tighten so much, and sometimes leave the nut not gripped tight enough..

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I have a Pro 1000 and a plain jane Lee single stage. I got my machines in August and have since loaded 3000 rounds through them ,a mix of 45, 38 and 357 (I mark my machines for every box of 500 bullets I use up to keep track). The Pro1000 is easy to use. Keep the primers topped off, and it will run smooth. If it goes out of time, turn the little screw, 3 seconds Bam! Back in business. It doesn't happen often. I notice that it happens when i get a high seated primer. The round won't eject and my leverage makes the shellplate slip off time. Lee throws in some extra small parts (drive gear, spring clips, "ejector"). Be warned that Lee uses a lot of PLASTIC in their products. If you are bothered by the use of this material then the Lees might not be for you. Lee's customer service is great. Even the receptionist who answers the phone talks reloading.

Caliber conversion involes buying a shell plate (14 bucks), dies (29 bucks for 4 die set), a primer trough (5 bucks) and primer punch (if switching primer size). Since Lee charges so little for their components I go ahead an buy a new turret also (8 bucks). So that way I don't have to reset dies everytime I switch calibers.

Now if I were to do it all over again I will get a Lee Load Master. As it is, the 3 stations on a 1000 is not enough. That's why I have a single stage. I use it for crimping.

I find it very hard to spend money on a Dillon when my Lee is serving me so well. I'd rather buy a new firearm.
 
Be prepared to try both Mike ..... IIRC I found elec tape a tad too incompressible and it wanted to get into the gap between the castings as they were tightened up.

The mask tape is that much thinner and once there and nipped up tight does seem to last very well. I expect I have about coupla turns on this one. See what works best for you but if you get it right .... big improvement should be noticed.
 
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