Are you excited for the Glock 43?
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Glocks engineer loves it. Austrian language sounds funny?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nngBdzmH6VI
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F-111 John
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Made in Austria and it makes import points by a nose.
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I love this!
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Really? This surprises me.
F-111 John
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Lots of points for being 9mm. vs the .380 Glock 42. The G42 would never be able to make import points, which is why it's built in Georgia.
Here's the speculated import points breakdown: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22028586&postcount=964
1 - 1/4" over 6" at 6.26"
17/18 - Weight
10 - 9mm
5 - Locked breech
5 - LCI
10 - Firing pin block
10 - Double action
10 - Click adjustable sight
5 - Target Grips (the thumb release)(sic - should read "thumb rest)
2 - Target trigger (serrated)
Total 75/76
Here's the speculated import points breakdown: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22028586&postcount=964
1 - 1/4" over 6" at 6.26"
17/18 - Weight
10 - 9mm
5 - Locked breech
5 - LCI
10 - Firing pin block
10 - Double action
10 - Click adjustable sight
5 - Target Grips (the thumb release)(sic - should read "thumb rest)
2 - Target trigger (serrated)
Total 75/76
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Wow thanks for the info!
george burns
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If I need to use a holster, I would rather have a 26, if it fit's in my pocket, I have a PM9 or XDS, or those who have a Shield, then why would you need another one, just how many small guns does one need.
It's getting silly at this point when someone feels they have to get every new thing that comes out, when there is no real benefit from what you already have.
Used to be a 5 shot S&W was all one needed, for every occasion, now it seems like some guys need 15 guns to choose from.
Perhaps if you didn't already have a Nano, Shield, Sig938, XDS, Glock, 642,Kahr-CW,CM,PM, or any of a dozen others you might be interested. But these guys who get paid to promote these guns are always going to tell you that this one is special, It's not. It's another 9mm small pocket gun that can be carried IWB, OWB or in the pocket, like the other ones you have.
If you lay them all out, on a table, and still think you need one, then buy it.
It's getting silly at this point when someone feels they have to get every new thing that comes out, when there is no real benefit from what you already have.
Used to be a 5 shot S&W was all one needed, for every occasion, now it seems like some guys need 15 guns to choose from.
Perhaps if you didn't already have a Nano, Shield, Sig938, XDS, Glock, 642,Kahr-CW,CM,PM, or any of a dozen others you might be interested. But these guys who get paid to promote these guns are always going to tell you that this one is special, It's not. It's another 9mm small pocket gun that can be carried IWB, OWB or in the pocket, like the other ones you have.
If you lay them all out, on a table, and still think you need one, then buy it.
Jack19
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I was excited about a Glock single stack 9mm about ten years ago.
Now, not so much.
Now, not so much.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Nope--10 years too late to the game.
I'll check it out when it appears on the shelf but doubtful that I'll buy one.
I'll check it out when it appears on the shelf but doubtful that I'll buy one.
I'm sure I would need a holster. But the point would be to print less. I thought I could hide a 26 ok, but my friend that works in a bank can make me from 40 feet away. I suppose most of the target demographic in the US can probably conceal a 26 just fine, though.
Anyhow, I'm not THAT excited. But I will probably buy one, anyway.
If you "already have a shield/etc," who cares? A lot of people buy handguns like watches. You can't have too many.
Charley C
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Excited or unexcited about the new G 43
Excited about the "new" G 43? no, but I suppose if I was, I probably wouldn't have my name on a waiting list for a "new" (?) G 34 configured for MOS;
What fascinates me about THR (and all gun forums for that matter) is that it looks very much like 99.99% of gun owners look at the "gun world" from the point of view of......"gun owners".....(what else? ) Have you ever considered how "gun manufacturers" look at the overall "gun market"? Have you ever even wondered WHY any company in today's world of "liberals and gun-grabbers" would elect to be in a business, where a very large percentage of the overall population is hell-bent on putting THAT business "out of business"?
I have spent a lot of time on a number of different kinds of on-line forums, mostly having to do with one or more of my main interests, photography and cameras, and several others dealing with wood working and saw mills.
THR is the first and only gun forum that I've registered as a member. I like THR for a number of reasons, mainly because everyone is very passionate about guns and shooting, and because of this interest in guns, I haven't seen many "libs" here talking nonsense. Also, I'm convinced there is more experience, expertise, and knowledge available to THR's members than any other web site I know of.
Any company investing the huge sums of money needed to become a player in ANY business absolutely NEEDS to sell a LOT of what ever it is that they make, or they won't be around for very long.
Whether you "like" Glocks, or whether you "like" only guns based on the 1911, always keep one thing in mind; there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people "out there" who dearly HATE any gun that's ever been made! These people, IMO, are very short-sighted; most of them have never been the victim of an armed robbery; (I have ) And at the time, I was "unarmed". Even though there are a lot of gun owners and enthusiasts, as a percentage of the total population, it's a fairly small group. The best way to improve that percentage, IMO, is to get more and more young people interested in the shooting sports. I don't have any numbers on this, but from what I can see, a large part of Glock's marketing strategy is based on putting a lot of bucks on the shooting sports; this is good for everyone who owns guns, regardless of brand.
About 30 or 35 years ago, a very bright man, (IMO ), decided to enter into the gun market; I'm assuming Gaston Glock was also interested in making a profit; whether you like his product or not is entirely your business; but keep in mind the fact, that in not much over 30 years now, Glock has produced more than ten million semi-automatic pistols; which fact, if you think about it, many of those 10 million Glocks are still "out there"; I'm guessing that every member of THR will VOTE for people who are most likely to support "yours" and "my" right to own and "carry" (if we should so choose ) a hand gun of "yours" or "my" choice; I have no idea how many Glock owners there are in the U.S., or how many S&W owners, Ruger owners, etc etc etc. but every single one of them I would like to be able to think of as being an "ally".......someone who shares my sentiments about the second amendment and the Bill of Rights.
IMO, this country really needs about ten times as many sensible, trained, and responsible people owning guns, whether for SD, for hunting, for sport, for anything else that's within the law. I'm guessing that many here share my hopes; and I will remind all, the way to achieve that goal isn't to argue among ourselves. Any gun is preferable to "no gun" when the SHTF. Look at what's happened in states issuing CC permits in just the last few years. The present administration has caused more people to buy more guns in the last six years than in the previous thirty years. We need to double then quadruple those numbers.
So.....even though I have no interest in the new G 43, I hope Glock sells a million of them! I hope EVERY gun maker sells a lot of guns and makes a LOT of money! Hey.....it's in "my best interests" if they do! It's also in your best interests too. The little LGS in Terre Haute where I go just bought a GIGANTIC building directly across the street and will be not only moving their sales to the new building, but it is also going to be an indoor shooting range, with 18 lanes, up to 50 yards. Terre Haute already has a LOT of people with CC permits, and with this new gun range, I think there will be a lot more.
One more thing before I turn in; many have mentioned Glock as "being late to the party", re; "this & that"; I'll add one more; apparently they are about the last major semi-auto pistol maker to come out with a "milled" area on the rear of the slide for mounting a red dot sight? I'm guessing that Glock bases their new-product "strategy" solely on what they think is most likely to "enhance" their bottom line. Does Glock have any "warts"? Yeah, IMO they need to seriously concentrate on PR a little more. When I emailed them last week inquiring about "how long" will we be waiting for the MOS guns to reach the LGS, I received a rather curt, one sentence reply about "we have no idea.....we send them to our "distributors". IMO, that's very poor PR! You know, just thinking about that, I may just copy this post and send a copy of it to Glock Corporate "where ever", letting them know that there are a LOT of people "out here", talking about Glock and their "products".
Thank you for reading!
Charley C
Excited about the "new" G 43? no, but I suppose if I was, I probably wouldn't have my name on a waiting list for a "new" (?) G 34 configured for MOS;
What fascinates me about THR (and all gun forums for that matter) is that it looks very much like 99.99% of gun owners look at the "gun world" from the point of view of......"gun owners".....(what else? ) Have you ever considered how "gun manufacturers" look at the overall "gun market"? Have you ever even wondered WHY any company in today's world of "liberals and gun-grabbers" would elect to be in a business, where a very large percentage of the overall population is hell-bent on putting THAT business "out of business"?
I have spent a lot of time on a number of different kinds of on-line forums, mostly having to do with one or more of my main interests, photography and cameras, and several others dealing with wood working and saw mills.
THR is the first and only gun forum that I've registered as a member. I like THR for a number of reasons, mainly because everyone is very passionate about guns and shooting, and because of this interest in guns, I haven't seen many "libs" here talking nonsense. Also, I'm convinced there is more experience, expertise, and knowledge available to THR's members than any other web site I know of.
Any company investing the huge sums of money needed to become a player in ANY business absolutely NEEDS to sell a LOT of what ever it is that they make, or they won't be around for very long.
Whether you "like" Glocks, or whether you "like" only guns based on the 1911, always keep one thing in mind; there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people "out there" who dearly HATE any gun that's ever been made! These people, IMO, are very short-sighted; most of them have never been the victim of an armed robbery; (I have ) And at the time, I was "unarmed". Even though there are a lot of gun owners and enthusiasts, as a percentage of the total population, it's a fairly small group. The best way to improve that percentage, IMO, is to get more and more young people interested in the shooting sports. I don't have any numbers on this, but from what I can see, a large part of Glock's marketing strategy is based on putting a lot of bucks on the shooting sports; this is good for everyone who owns guns, regardless of brand.
About 30 or 35 years ago, a very bright man, (IMO ), decided to enter into the gun market; I'm assuming Gaston Glock was also interested in making a profit; whether you like his product or not is entirely your business; but keep in mind the fact, that in not much over 30 years now, Glock has produced more than ten million semi-automatic pistols; which fact, if you think about it, many of those 10 million Glocks are still "out there"; I'm guessing that every member of THR will VOTE for people who are most likely to support "yours" and "my" right to own and "carry" (if we should so choose ) a hand gun of "yours" or "my" choice; I have no idea how many Glock owners there are in the U.S., or how many S&W owners, Ruger owners, etc etc etc. but every single one of them I would like to be able to think of as being an "ally".......someone who shares my sentiments about the second amendment and the Bill of Rights.
IMO, this country really needs about ten times as many sensible, trained, and responsible people owning guns, whether for SD, for hunting, for sport, for anything else that's within the law. I'm guessing that many here share my hopes; and I will remind all, the way to achieve that goal isn't to argue among ourselves. Any gun is preferable to "no gun" when the SHTF. Look at what's happened in states issuing CC permits in just the last few years. The present administration has caused more people to buy more guns in the last six years than in the previous thirty years. We need to double then quadruple those numbers.
So.....even though I have no interest in the new G 43, I hope Glock sells a million of them! I hope EVERY gun maker sells a lot of guns and makes a LOT of money! Hey.....it's in "my best interests" if they do! It's also in your best interests too. The little LGS in Terre Haute where I go just bought a GIGANTIC building directly across the street and will be not only moving their sales to the new building, but it is also going to be an indoor shooting range, with 18 lanes, up to 50 yards. Terre Haute already has a LOT of people with CC permits, and with this new gun range, I think there will be a lot more.
One more thing before I turn in; many have mentioned Glock as "being late to the party", re; "this & that"; I'll add one more; apparently they are about the last major semi-auto pistol maker to come out with a "milled" area on the rear of the slide for mounting a red dot sight? I'm guessing that Glock bases their new-product "strategy" solely on what they think is most likely to "enhance" their bottom line. Does Glock have any "warts"? Yeah, IMO they need to seriously concentrate on PR a little more. When I emailed them last week inquiring about "how long" will we be waiting for the MOS guns to reach the LGS, I received a rather curt, one sentence reply about "we have no idea.....we send them to our "distributors". IMO, that's very poor PR! You know, just thinking about that, I may just copy this post and send a copy of it to Glock Corporate "where ever", letting them know that there are a LOT of people "out here", talking about Glock and their "products".
Thank you for reading!
Charley C
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Do you have a source for the 10 million figure?
On it's website Glock maintains that it took them approximately 30 years (from 1981-2007) to produce 5 million pistols.
http://us.glock.com/heritage/timeline
So in the last 7 years they have produced another 5 million pistols? That would be 714,286 pistols a year.
It occurs to me that if Glock has produced 10 million guns it would announce it on it's website. They are not a shy company.
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atblis
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2 million in 1999
5 million in 2007
Assume another 3 million in another 8 years -->2015 gets you to 8 million
10 million isn't a stretch really.
5 million in 2007
Assume another 3 million in another 8 years -->2015 gets you to 8 million
10 million isn't a stretch really.
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Maybe not but there's a difference between "I have a $100. bucks in my pocket" and "I might have a hundred bucks in my pocket, it's not impossible". If a fella says it's 10 million for sure then we ought to be able to show it if said and done.
If it's not 10 but instead 8 million, that seems plenty to brag on without adding an extra million or two for whatever reasons.
tipoc
george burns
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I'm a firm believer that you can have too many of the same gun. It limits you to what you already are used to instead of trying something new. There is always a way to carry a gun, no matter what the size and make it unseen by anyone. It just takes a little thought and creativity. For me 4 or 5 similar guns are just a waste of energy, having to get used to the idiosyncrasies od each one. If you are going to put yourself through that, why not get something different, like a scandium revolver or a 10mm, maybe a 3" 1911. It just seems unimaginative to have 4 or more single stack 9mm guns that all are similar. When 1 or even 2 would do fine.
Watches are an accessory, guns are a life saving tool. They aren't like baseball cards, you should find what works for you and stick to it, if not then be imaginative to look at different self defense options other than the same one you already have.
After 4 decades I looks for a gun that I can fit in my pocket, that is at least a 9mm, and has 8 rounds in it with 2 reloads I can hide on my person comfortably. I found that with a PM9 with extended magazine. Until something that is somehow better, "smaller, with more or the same power, and 8 rounds minimum , appears, am fine.
The only other gun I would consider is the XDS with 6+1 and 2 ,7 round mags, only because it is a 45.
45's get to slide 1 round only because statistically they should equal out even with 1 less round. And since they made yet a 3d mag size, why not.
The most important thing when carrying a gun, "any gun", is being able to get it into play fast, faster is better. If you can't find your gun and get it going when someone is threatening your life, it does you no good. And practicing this at night when the family is asleep, is a good thing to do., because that 1/10th of a second , could mean life or death, and to me, the more guns I rotate, the less likely I am to be as fast getting all of them out as quickly as if I just concentrated on one. I have seen guys reach for the gun in the wrong spot, the spot they were used to the "Other gun"is usually in. Like the small of the back or ankle, it happens unconsciously especially if you alternate a lot.
If you don't have a small 9mm, then this may be a good one, "but first Pierce needs to make a plus 1, or 2", for it. But if you already have a couple, other than being bored I don't see the point.
Just pretend there is a man with a gun, and count how long it takes you from the time you say gun, until the time your gun is out and are ready to shoot. You are going to be surprised how long that takes when you aren't set up for it.
Watches are an accessory, guns are a life saving tool. They aren't like baseball cards, you should find what works for you and stick to it, if not then be imaginative to look at different self defense options other than the same one you already have.
After 4 decades I looks for a gun that I can fit in my pocket, that is at least a 9mm, and has 8 rounds in it with 2 reloads I can hide on my person comfortably. I found that with a PM9 with extended magazine. Until something that is somehow better, "smaller, with more or the same power, and 8 rounds minimum , appears, am fine.
The only other gun I would consider is the XDS with 6+1 and 2 ,7 round mags, only because it is a 45.
45's get to slide 1 round only because statistically they should equal out even with 1 less round. And since they made yet a 3d mag size, why not.
The most important thing when carrying a gun, "any gun", is being able to get it into play fast, faster is better. If you can't find your gun and get it going when someone is threatening your life, it does you no good. And practicing this at night when the family is asleep, is a good thing to do., because that 1/10th of a second , could mean life or death, and to me, the more guns I rotate, the less likely I am to be as fast getting all of them out as quickly as if I just concentrated on one. I have seen guys reach for the gun in the wrong spot, the spot they were used to the "Other gun"is usually in. Like the small of the back or ankle, it happens unconsciously especially if you alternate a lot.
If you don't have a small 9mm, then this may be a good one, "but first Pierce needs to make a plus 1, or 2", for it. But if you already have a couple, other than being bored I don't see the point.
Just pretend there is a man with a gun, and count how long it takes you from the time you say gun, until the time your gun is out and are ready to shoot. You are going to be surprised how long that takes when you aren't set up for it.
justice06rr
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This thread should've had a poll.
From the responses, it would seem that 40-50% would have no need for the G43.
If it excites you, and you have a need for it (and the $$), buy one.
But as an owner of many Glocks myself, I have no need for one nor am I excited.
From the responses, it would seem that 40-50% would have no need for the G43.
If it excites you, and you have a need for it (and the $$), buy one.
But as an owner of many Glocks myself, I have no need for one nor am I excited.
Charley C
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tipoc asks;
Do you have a source for the 10 million figure?
To be perfectly honest with you, I don't remember just now where I read it, but it wasn't in the Onion or the National Enquirer, so I had no reason to doubt the figure; but it wouldn't make any difference to me if Glock has "only" sold 5 million pistols......that's STILL a LOT of guns! And it's had a huge impact on the gun industry. I can't help thinking that any time anyone can start from scratch with a brand new "idea", and within 30 years, gain a 65% market share in guns used by LE in the entire U.S., they obviously must be doing something right.
But I think you're missing my whole point; what possible difference does it make to anyone what kind of gun someone else chooses to buy? I'm far more interested in seeing more and more people becoming interested in guns, I'm far more interested in seeing more responsible people learning more about guns and using them for personal defense. I can't understand why so many people feel the need to constantly express their dislike for a particular company, unless that company has done something to make that individual upset with them.
Do you have a source for the 10 million figure?
To be perfectly honest with you, I don't remember just now where I read it, but it wasn't in the Onion or the National Enquirer, so I had no reason to doubt the figure; but it wouldn't make any difference to me if Glock has "only" sold 5 million pistols......that's STILL a LOT of guns! And it's had a huge impact on the gun industry. I can't help thinking that any time anyone can start from scratch with a brand new "idea", and within 30 years, gain a 65% market share in guns used by LE in the entire U.S., they obviously must be doing something right.
But I think you're missing my whole point; what possible difference does it make to anyone what kind of gun someone else chooses to buy? I'm far more interested in seeing more and more people becoming interested in guns, I'm far more interested in seeing more responsible people learning more about guns and using them for personal defense. I can't understand why so many people feel the need to constantly express their dislike for a particular company, unless that company has done something to make that individual upset with them.
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Charley C said:
There are very few innovative or brand new ideas in firearms. Glock took pieces of designs they liked and made them cheaper. They were not the first innovator in any category. The Ford Model T was not the first car made or invented, it was just the first car mass produced at low cost. Glock's hold on the market share is slipping as better guns at the same price are being introduced ie the M&P. Being low cost, Glock can afford to practically give their firearms to law enforcement. A strategy that is slipping as 85% of LEO used to use Glock, slip to 65% on their own website.
george burns
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They are going to have to do something new, not just recreate another caliber. Like maybe a laser built into the guide rod, "like lasermax". Or a carbine, or rifle made for LEO.
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I am glad that Glock finally got with the program. However, I would have been excited and anxious to buy one had they done so around the time that everyone else started releasing single-stack 9mm pistols (Ruger LC9, S&W Shield, Springfield XDS).
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I don't see it as "late to the game", but as another gun which may fill the roll better than the others. For instance:
XDs - Slide release is too far back, and causes frequent failure to lock open on last round with my natural grip.
Shield - Feel of the grip is okay, but not to my liking.
LC9s - Same.
Sig P938 - Nice feel, but very pricey.
Kahr - Some may not be able to get used to the DAO long pull [this will include any of the thin DAO options out there].
I could go on, but the point is, for someone who has yet to find a carry gun which fits them, the Glock 43 may very well be what will work for them. I'll be trying one out whenever I come across one.
XDs - Slide release is too far back, and causes frequent failure to lock open on last round with my natural grip.
Shield - Feel of the grip is okay, but not to my liking.
LC9s - Same.
Sig P938 - Nice feel, but very pricey.
Kahr - Some may not be able to get used to the DAO long pull [this will include any of the thin DAO options out there].
I could go on, but the point is, for someone who has yet to find a carry gun which fits them, the Glock 43 may very well be what will work for them. I'll be trying one out whenever I come across one.
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