Arizona Gun Store Raided 9 mos. Ago Trial Over

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winston smith said:
Presumption of Innocence. It should apply outside of courtrooms too.
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Perhaps at some times and for some purposes, but also, perhaps, not for others. I might accept the proposition that if someone has been charged with a crime, but not convicted, he should be considered innocent and not subject to any "official" sort of disability. But if I were to have occasion to have personal dealings with that person, I could conceivably decide that notwithstanding his acquittal I'm not going to hire him to watch my house while I'm on vacation nor will I make him a personal loan. And I certainly would have objected if OJ wanted to date my daughter.
 
UPDATE: on the AR15 forums someone with Washington Post connections to Mexico's Government says that Mexico confirms that the drug cartell's guns are coming from.... Venezuela and president-for-life Hugo Chavez!

I have connections to the NY Times and they have evidence of the WMDs that were present before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
 
Guilt by association is a poor excuse for legalized murder. Too bad that wasn't the case in neither incident.
 
rumor was over hundreds of guns sold to two individuals over a two year period, ca'mon now, what would you think. pretty clear private sales are limited to x amount, not sure what that amount is as I don't sell any.
But wouldn't your moral compass light come on and say "what the heck are they buying all these ak's for???"
But thats just me, a fella that lives in Arizona, and waiting for the invasion to start, this time they'll have weapons instead of babies
IMO
 
Who to believe? A faceless poster on the internet or the judge and jury in the Weaver case? who to believe, a faceless poster who thinks the gov't legalized murder or the dismissal of murder charges against Horiuchi?
 
The Arizona Republic ENDORSED McCain in '08, and Bushie in '00 '04. Uh oh, how can this be??!!! Are you saying the AZ Republic is anti-gun? Seems "pro-gun" to me, endorsing three "pro-gun" candidates.
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McCain- pro-gun? Bush - ambivalent at best. How are they pro-gun, just because they are repubs???
 
fiddletown said:
The NRA should be picking its fights. It should not be spending its time, and our money, on every case involving guns. It should be making a judgment on each case in which it's asked to participate and consider (1) the probability of a good outcome and whether a good outcome is likely to advance the RKBA generally; and (2) the probability of a bad outcome and whether a bad outcome is likely to have a negative impact on the RKBA generally. You may disagree with the NRA's conclusion in a particular case, but it still needs to follow the process and can't take on every case that comes along.

It recently pursued a RKBA case in San Francisco to a favorable conclusion, and is involved in a RKBA lawsuit in Washington State. It's probably involved in other cases around the country, so it's not like it's not doing anything. It just decided that this wasn't the right case to take on.
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Well said fiddletown.....the NRA is not free legal representation for everyone who has a firearm legal problem. Wonder why dddfam didn't slam GOA, JPFO, ACLU, and others that failed to take the same action he thinks the NRA should have?
 
Can't believe the naivety, here. We're talking about the New York Times. If there was actually an unfortunate loophole of the law or improper procedure that had caused the case to be dropped, then they would have specifically stated it. This is obviously a case of empty allegations and slander of an innocent man.

And just because the ATF is requesting an appeal doesn't mean anything. You think they care about wasting tax payer money?
 
84B20 said:
Getting back to why the NRA declined to intervene in the case, I'd like to know more details. I was considering renewing my membership but if they failed to help in this situation it is disturbing and I might consider otherwise.
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In addition to my comments in post #41, above, see post #2 in http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=436659.

A judge has blocked concealed carry in National Parks. The NRA has moved to intervene in the litigation, has been allowed to intervene and will, it appears, be filing an immediate appeal. Another example of the NRA pursuing RKBA litigation.
 
Hey it has to be we citizens that are wrong. No U.S government agency has ever had over zealous people or made an error. They have nothing but warm fuzzy thoughts about us.
 
sig220mw said:
Hey it has to be we citizens that are wrong. No U.S government agency has ever had over zealous people or made an error....
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Sure, and no one accused of a crime, who got off when the government couldn't couldn't come up with enough evidence, ever actually did it.
 
Shure it is, it is also an opinion I have. I have read this whole thread and my opinion is that he is an ANTI-GUN TROLL ! No worries, I'm just another faceless internet poster. :)
 
Good thing I've got my pee-proof boots on. And the needle on my sarcasm meter just got maxed out and bent back there. Thanks for taking a step back, taking a deep breath, and sorting it out there, folks. Well done.

Maybe now the ATF and the Arizona Attorney General will have time to start arresting and prosecuting foreign nationals who come into this country illegally, under arms, to smuggle, kidnap and murder.

the article said:
The case was considered a landmark prosecution in part because of cooperation with Mexican authorities, who provided evidence that guns from X-Caliber were used in criminal operations south of the border.
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How interesting.
 
Maybe now the ATF and the Arizona Attorney General will have time to start arresting and prosecuting foreign nationals who come into this country illegally, under arms, to smuggle, kidnap and murder.
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Best post on this thread.
 
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