Armoured White Tail?

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Yes they do this every time, up in the air and straight for the bushes and it always did I hit it right or did I miss.... Good blood trail is always a sign the buck is somewhere near, just have to follow, my dog can find them much faster.
 
I think there are lots of reasons people buy large magnums for (mostly or entirely) deer hunting. Marketing for sure is a factor. Bigger is better mentality. There are those that want the one gun for everything and buy the magnum "just in case" they ever go out west for elk. There also seems to be an attitude among some that lighter deer calibers are for children and women.

I know three guys who hunt deer here in PA (one in WV also) with a 338 win mag, and another who uses a 300RUM (also hunts in upstate NY). When I have inquired about their cartridge choice, they have said "I may go out west some day for elk" or "I sometimes hunt over a large field or powerline right of way and need the extra power for long shots", or "I don't like trailing deer and this puts them down right away". With that said, however, most people I know use the 30-30, 243, 270, 30-06 and a few the 7mm mag. My buddy shot a deer here in PA at less than 100 yards with his 7mm mag a few years back, and it massive tissue destruction and a volleyball sized crater on the off side. Bullet was a Corelokt, I believe - he doesn't buy expensive "shells" like a ballistic tip. He has gone back to using the .243 for deer now and uses the 7mag when we go black bear hunting.

Personally, I've been hunting mostly with 30-30 and 7mm-08. This season, I'll be taking out my new Kimber 84M in .257 Roberts. Only on nice days though!
 
well... the problem is guys like I saw in the shop a couple weeks ago... he said... and I quote... " I would really like that browning A-bolt, but I wish it wasnt in .270. I shot a deer last year with a .270 and it bounced right off its head. I am looking for something in 300wm this year."

He went on to talk about another deer he shot with a .270 and it didnt even penetrate the lung.


Or the kid that wanted a 375 H&H because the last deer he made a "perfect" shot on with his 30-06 didnt even stumble as it ran away. he needs something that will make a bigger exit wound.

Or the kid that was somehow convinced that a 45-70 was TOO SMALL!!!!

What we have here is a combination of things.


FIRST- guys who cannot shoot and cannot be made to realize that the "bullet that bounced off" was a MISS.

Second- guys who want to be prepared for anything, even a 500 yard shot in the woods of the deep south on a deer the size of a bull moose.

Third- guys who like a big kick.

Personally I will be more than happy with my .270, 30-30, or .257 roberts.. maybe even my .223 if I get the notion and feel I can take the shot.
 
Ha-ha 270 bounced off, that’s a good one, never seen that one, usually 2 lungs with a heart penetration and exit wound, I think I should ease up on my loads the exit wound is a bit small like quarter, I’m using 130 grains SGK maybe switching to pro-hunter would make them drop on the spot. :D
 
I used to look down on folks that used what I considered as oversized calibers for deer hunting. Made no sense to me at all and if it didn't make sense to me, then it didn't make sense. :D This was when I used a 243 win and believed I could thread the needle with the rifle if I chose to. Figured if I could, just about anyone could.

Roll the calendar forward and I presently have no qualms about someone using a 300 Weatherby Mag or 338 win mag for whitetail deer. If I owned a 375 H&H, I'd probably use it at least once on a deer just to see the effect. So I think it's a free country and folks can use what they want as long as it's legal to do so. Personally, I don't want to deal with un-necessary recoil, so I wouldn't even buy a 300 win mag for deer hunting in the East. Out west, it makes more sense due to the higher likelihood of longer shots. In case anyone wonders, I use a Remington M700 in 270 win. when I use a rifle. Been using a handgun the last few years as I really don't care if I get a deer or not.... yeah, I feel that way when I sit at home, but when I'm in the woods, I hunt to get a deer.
 
If I owned a 375 H&H, I'd probably use it at least once on a deer just to see the effect.
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I have a 375 H&H. It pushes a 235 grain bullet around 2800 fps. Three hundred grain bullets are slower.

It will just make a big hole. Does not kick bad in a 10 pound rifle.

In today's cartridge du jour world, it is not even a magnum. We have all read that if a bullet is not going above 3000 fps, close to 3500 fps, it just not powerful enough for white tail.

Must be true I read it in a magazine :rolleyes:
 
I am essentially hunting on spare change. That means that last season I got a $79 Mosin M44 for deer, I know it will work, I know I can do the job with it and I know its too much gun but it fit in my budget.
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I used to hunt with a $70 Single shot 12ga from KMart, deer don't know the difference.
 
I don't understand it either and I don't care where you live. I can't stand when people claim the deer in their area require bigger rounds...that's a bunch of bs! The biggest round I would get is a 7mag and that would just be for the application. If I'm in very steep terrain and I'm going to take shots at a 400+ range, I want the extra velocity. That being said, I haven't came to that point yet and most likely never will. If your using a 300 ultra or something of that sort you simply are a horrible shot, are just not intelligent, or you have self esteem issues....simple.
 
Weekend warrior hunters who havent made it to the range since they sighted in their rifle 3 years ago tend to have trouble with hold over. Let them keep their 338 Mags for the 80 yard deers. At least its DRT
 
Why?

Just because I can.:neener:

And I like the way Barnes TSX's shot from a 300WBY makes their heads explode.:evil:

Not your money, not your rifle, not your hunt, so don't worry about it.
 
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I don't understand it either and I don't care where you live. I can't stand when people claim the deer in their area require bigger rounds...that's a bunch of bs! The biggest round I would get is a 7mag and that would just be for the application. If I'm in very steep terrain and I'm going to take shots at a 400+ range, I want the extra velocity. That being said, I haven't came to that point yet and most likely never will. If your using a 300 ultra or something of that sort you simply are a horrible shot, are just not intelligent, or you have self esteem issues....simple.
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...and 30-30's for this application (deer hunting in general) are junk, right?
 
I know that its probably some sense of bigger is better coupled with impulse buying but geesh people...what did that 140 lb deer do to you.
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As George Carlin once noticed - anyone driving slower than you is a moron and anyone driving faster than you is a maniac.

Same thing here, I suspect.
 
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERKILL. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERGUNNED.
Personally, I don't hunt with a magnum. I have a .280 and a .30-06 that do everything I need them to do, but why do you care if other people use magnums? That's their business and their money. I have a friend who hunts whitetails with a 7mm Rem mag. and is perfectly happy with it. Maybe it kills them a little too dead and he just doesn't know what to look for.
As for the guys claiming that .270s didn't penetrate the lungs or bounced off, well there are idiots everywhere.
 
Blackoops, WOW!

I love my 300wm for deer, in fact I love it so much I just sighted in my cz 375 hnh with some 260 grain accubonds for a doe hunt this year.
Am I a horrible shot? Not by Marine Corps standards, two time company high shooter thank you very much.
"just not intelligent" I guess since I have been working with explosives and land mines for years and I am still here I must not be to retarded.
I can only assume you wouldn't know real self esteem if you fell in it.
 
Wow, and here I thought I had just missed! Must've actually been one of those bounce-off deals. I feel a lot better about my skills now!
 
My uncle used a .444 Marlin for 7 years. Why? His brother-in-law loaned it to him for 7 years before he wanted it back. Now he's gone back to using his old .30-06 BAR. He's 77 and says it's a soft shooting gun. :)

In all the years he's hunted deer up behind his house - since they first turned up in the '70s I guess - I don't think he's ever had a shot over 100 or so yards. My father started off with a featherweight .243 Winchester, but moved up to a .280 BAR after a couple of years because he's the older brother by 10 years and wanted to.

People like what they like. And these old timers didn't like climbing the mountain chasing dying deer.

John
 
Actually, it seems like all the local dealers have buku 7mm mag and bigger rifles in stock, but nothing petite ever stays long. One of my friends has had fantastic prices on a 7mag, 300 mag and 338mag Sakos, but nobody's buying. A .243 Sako shows up and it's gone in a week.
 
Right now I have 3 calibers, its 22 LR, 270 WIN and .308 WIN and you know what, I haven’t felt the need for a magnum, most of the shots I taken were within 300 yards and I use 270 forhunting at most, .308 can do same as .270, just .270 can do it flatter. According to the Barnes Bullets website, 270 win loaded with 180 grain original bullet is capable to produce 2700 fps muzzle and its suitable for moose size game, I never used 180 grain bullet on the deer when 130 grains going 3000fps will kill them dead, for .308 I usually use 150 – 165 grains at 2800 fps and I never seen bullets ricochet, they always produce exit wound 98% . What I can say about those who getting their bullet to ricochet of the deer I think its either they can’t shoot or the rifles they use been somehow mistreated, could be that the riffle was sighted in on warm barrel when while hunting first shot is always from the cold…
 
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