Titan6
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That would have to be something really new. Privately owned weapons are not banned there. If you drive through Canada there are severe restrictions on what you can take with you.
Army base starting to register OFF POST firearms!
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That would have to be something really new. Privately owned weapons are not banned there. If you drive through Canada there are severe restrictions on what you can take with you.
Duke of Doubt
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Deltaboy: "JAG ought to look into this."
JAG gets their marching orders just like everyone else. Lots of JAG who signed on for tribunals are cooling their heels these days, BTW.
JAG gets their marching orders just like everyone else. Lots of JAG who signed on for tribunals are cooling their heels these days, BTW.
Titan6
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You found the right website Johnny but you did not read it. Here are the rules covering bringing your weapons to Alaska through Canada.
http://www.wainwright.army.mil/sites/relocation/
http://www.wainwright.army.mil/sites/relocation/
41magsnub
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Ft Riley tried that back when I was in. At personal legal risk I basically declined to participate and did not declare anything. I decided the risk was less than the loss of rights. My chain of command was flat out not invited into my home in any capacity. Never had to test that theory.
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That type of registration has been requested for years. Not necessarily followed but requested. Remember, the military pays for your off-base housing and thus has retained the right to ensure that each "member" is living in a safe and clean environment. Off base does not equate to private sector.
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Yeah, I remember when that much ado mandate came down from on high, and we were told to ask soldiers about a number of private matters including "marital issues, STD's, and where do you keep your guns?"
My Response:
"I have nothing to declare"
Back when I asked about it... I was told that since Old Fort Ord was BRAC'd out and decommissioned, it was actually part of Seaside, CA, and no longer a base in the big army sense. The housing was also privatized out.
hence...
Nothing to Declare.
To be honest, the housing on fort Ord itself was more dangerous than any gun I have handled. What with Black Mold and crumbling buildings. .Gov offered the housing to HUD, HUD declined stating that their homeless people deserved better.
My Response:
"I have nothing to declare"
Back when I asked about it... I was told that since Old Fort Ord was BRAC'd out and decommissioned, it was actually part of Seaside, CA, and no longer a base in the big army sense. The housing was also privatized out.
hence...
Nothing to Declare.
To be honest, the housing on fort Ord itself was more dangerous than any gun I have handled. What with Black Mold and crumbling buildings. .Gov offered the housing to HUD, HUD declined stating that their homeless people deserved better.
DocBoCook
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they won't, because they would have to admit/set precedence of soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen having individual liberties while on active duty. by default causing policies like this to be declared "Unlawful Orders" and that would be wrong, because Officers can't be wrong................Right??
When I was, in the post commander had pretty broad powers as to what he could order. A sampling from my last duty station Ft. Carson Co.
Regardless of Colorado law making motorcycle helmets optional, all military personel will wear a DOT approved helmet on and OFF post any time they opperate or are a passenger on a motorcycle
All military personell E-4 and below who are not married must have command approval to live off post. Such approval to be given only after a member of the SM's COC or NCOSP inspects the quarter's to be rented. This even applied to a buddy who wished to reside in HIS PARENT'S home in Co. Springs while stationed at Ft. Carson.
No military personell living off post or on in the rank of E-4 and below may own a personal firearm. All personell who E-5 and up who own personal weapon must store said weapon in the unit arms room.
They actually wanted to apply the no POWs for E-4 and below to my forementioned buddy who wanted to live with the parents because he had a shotgun that he'd had for years (pass down from dad) that had been in the home his entire life.
As someone stated above I lived off post and after the initial inspection (yes they really did it) the chain of command was not welcome in my home.
I would never register any weapon I owned with the COC because the next thing they're going to do is require that they be placed in the unit arms room and you won't see them again until you PCS or ETS
Regardless of Colorado law making motorcycle helmets optional, all military personel will wear a DOT approved helmet on and OFF post any time they opperate or are a passenger on a motorcycle
All military personell E-4 and below who are not married must have command approval to live off post. Such approval to be given only after a member of the SM's COC or NCOSP inspects the quarter's to be rented. This even applied to a buddy who wished to reside in HIS PARENT'S home in Co. Springs while stationed at Ft. Carson.
No military personell living off post or on in the rank of E-4 and below may own a personal firearm. All personell who E-5 and up who own personal weapon must store said weapon in the unit arms room.
They actually wanted to apply the no POWs for E-4 and below to my forementioned buddy who wanted to live with the parents because he had a shotgun that he'd had for years (pass down from dad) that had been in the home his entire life.
As someone stated above I lived off post and after the initial inspection (yes they really did it) the chain of command was not welcome in my home.
I would never register any weapon I owned with the COC because the next thing they're going to do is require that they be placed in the unit arms room and you won't see them again until you PCS or ETS
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Wait a minute there Rockwell, slow down.... let me make sure I am tracking... you mean to say that when .gov starts registering people's firearms, that becomes a prelude to restrictions/ confiscations!??
I am shocked! Shocked I tell you.
I am shocked! Shocked I tell you.
stevelyn
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Yes, if the commander wants to be an ass about things.
I would never recommend the military beyond a single enlistment to anyone these days.
armoredman
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Cripes! I kept my UZI and AK on board ship back in the 80s, no issues. Cripes!
mljdeckard
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crash test,
I was there too. I just didn't bring them, but when I was about to leave, I did have a friend who was coming in drop me my 1911. There was a 30 day grace period to register, and I was gone before it lapsed. The OMC is military property, posted and controlled as such.
I was there too. I just didn't bring them, but when I was about to leave, I did have a friend who was coming in drop me my 1911. There was a 30 day grace period to register, and I was gone before it lapsed. The OMC is military property, posted and controlled as such.
I'LL bet you didn't keep them in your rack.
I believe the commander of the Alaska Command has forbade SMs under his command from carrying a concealed weapon regardless of CCW status.
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. In my experience the Army has become a government subsidized nanny state. Since your COC is held accountable for you mis-deeds and mis-adventures they simply simply restrict anything you might do that threatens your well being and their career.
No guns
No second jobs
No CCW (see #1)
No Checking accounts
Personal finance classes (see above)
No more than one 6pack perserson in a barraks room
No females in the Barraks
Health and welfare inspection of your PRIVATE vehicle.
Random breathalyzers
Etc
Etc
Etc
franconialocal
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I guess Rockwell1 really answered this to some extent but.......
I'm a police officer, but I never spent any time in the military. We are definately bound by our own SOP's so........,
Am I correct in saying, as it relates to the OP, that if you join the military then they pretty much own your butt, and can make whatever "rules" they want about this stuff....???
It doesn't seem so new(s) to me. My brother was in the Navy, grandfather too, plenty of fam. in the Army, Marines, Air Force, etc.....
This has always just been my impression. Not shocking that this would apply to off base weapons as well...
Can you ex or current military guys clarify for me???
I'm a police officer, but I never spent any time in the military. We are definately bound by our own SOP's so........,
Am I correct in saying, as it relates to the OP, that if you join the military then they pretty much own your butt, and can make whatever "rules" they want about this stuff....???
It doesn't seem so new(s) to me. My brother was in the Navy, grandfather too, plenty of fam. in the Army, Marines, Air Force, etc.....
This has always just been my impression. Not shocking that this would apply to off base weapons as well...
Can you ex or current military guys clarify for me???
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When I was on active duty and lived off-post, there was no contact with my higher-ups while I was home. I rented the apartment, the Marine Corps didn't. My guns didn't go on base and the CO didn't come to my apartment. My guns were my business.
But as one poster mentioned, the Base Commander can make up whatever rules he wishes on certain things. For instance, at Pendleton, we had to go through a special course before we could ride a motorcyle on base. If I remember correctly, a rider had to wear a helmet and a traffic vest. Some posts actually require motorcyclists to wear shoe or boots with safety toes and certain clothes.
What can you say- join the military and you're not as free as the average civilian.
But as one poster mentioned, the Base Commander can make up whatever rules he wishes on certain things. For instance, at Pendleton, we had to go through a special course before we could ride a motorcyle on base. If I remember correctly, a rider had to wear a helmet and a traffic vest. Some posts actually require motorcyclists to wear shoe or boots with safety toes and certain clothes.
What can you say- join the military and you're not as free as the average civilian.
In a word, yes.
If the post commander so chooses he can dictate the specific haircut given to male SMs on post. ( seen it done)
He can dictate that the SM may not enter any off post establishment in the utility (BDUs) uniform. Not even to pick up a gallon of milk on the way home (seen it done)
SMs may not walk and smoke in uniform as this presents a negative image of the Army ( did a GRIP of push ups over that one, one day)
I had a friend that was threatened with non judicial punishment for getting a severe sunburn the DAY before a PT test.
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*lol* to "less freedom than average citizens".....Yup, I can relate to that...
+1 to haircut regulations
+1 to smoking regulations (no big deal...don't smoke)
+1 to more and more and more regulations........
And to keep it on topic....I have to give all my weapon (private, not issued) serial no.'s to my Ssgt. for "my file" even though they may NEVER have anything to do with my work, although I have taken it upon myself to get certified with my own AR, Mossberg 500A, and Springfield EMP so I can carry them in the cruiser as I wish. The drawback is, if I ever have to use one in the line of duty, it will be seized as evidence and I may never see it again, if not for years.
+1 to haircut regulations
+1 to smoking regulations (no big deal...don't smoke)
+1 to more and more and more regulations........
And to keep it on topic....I have to give all my weapon (private, not issued) serial no.'s to my Ssgt. for "my file" even though they may NEVER have anything to do with my work, although I have taken it upon myself to get certified with my own AR, Mossberg 500A, and Springfield EMP so I can carry them in the cruiser as I wish. The drawback is, if I ever have to use one in the line of duty, it will be seized as evidence and I may never see it again, if not for years.
No, you're missing it. I'm not talking about the general reg (AR670-1) I'm talking about the commanding general telling the barbers at the PX to give every active duty male that comes in there for a cut a high and tight with a flattop regardless of what haircut they ask for.
LtShortcut
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lol
You are government property. They can tell you to do just about anything they want.
Disobey an order? 3 years in prison if they're nice, death if they're not.
leadcounsel
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POW - in this context - stands for Personally Owned Weapons.
I don't believe that the reach of the Army extends to legally owned personal property kept exclusively off base - and this includes firearms.
I think this is a anti-gun policy in the guise of registration and confiscation. I have no control of the serial numbers after I turn them in. I don't know if they go into some nationwide database and I'm not a fan of nationwide databases. Or maybe some nafarious person gets a hold of my address and my list of guns and robs me.
If you were to extend the analysis of health, welfare, safety, etc... then why not have Soldiers list all of the rope, knives, gasoline, and baseball bats they own. Or whether they use condoms when they have sex.
This is all clearly an unconstitutional invasion of privacy under the 4th Amendment, and an encroachment under the 2nd Amendment.
Yes, as most correctly identified, the Army has almost total jurisdiction over ME. However, that does not include any of my personal property kept off base. They cannot tell me that I must do anything with any of my personal property if I never bring it to base, which is why I never do except my vehicle - which is registered and regularly inspected.
Tell me that I cannot own firearms is a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment, along with probably several others. Having me create a "list" for my "protection" is a thin vail for something else, such as confiscation.
I don't believe that the reach of the Army extends to legally owned personal property kept exclusively off base - and this includes firearms.
I think this is a anti-gun policy in the guise of registration and confiscation. I have no control of the serial numbers after I turn them in. I don't know if they go into some nationwide database and I'm not a fan of nationwide databases. Or maybe some nafarious person gets a hold of my address and my list of guns and robs me.
If you were to extend the analysis of health, welfare, safety, etc... then why not have Soldiers list all of the rope, knives, gasoline, and baseball bats they own. Or whether they use condoms when they have sex.
This is all clearly an unconstitutional invasion of privacy under the 4th Amendment, and an encroachment under the 2nd Amendment.
Yes, as most correctly identified, the Army has almost total jurisdiction over ME. However, that does not include any of my personal property kept off base. They cannot tell me that I must do anything with any of my personal property if I never bring it to base, which is why I never do except my vehicle - which is registered and regularly inspected.
Tell me that I cannot own firearms is a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment, along with probably several others. Having me create a "list" for my "protection" is a thin vail for something else, such as confiscation.
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ServiceSoon
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From whom did this order originate from?
Is it for certain branches or all branches of the military?
I was told by a recruiter that when you join the military you are protecting liberty, not practicing it.
Is it for certain branches or all branches of the military?
I was told by a recruiter that when you join the military you are protecting liberty, not practicing it.
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ServiceSoon: "I was told by a recruiter that when you join the military you are protecting liberty, not practicing it."
Affirmative. Same as a lot of things. I can do things that some of my clients can't; they "can" do things I can't. Liberty is never truly absolute except perhaps in a Wallachian cave (which I sometimes miss). We may not shout "Theater!" in a crowded firehouse, and we may not take our weapons into those very locations where they most likely may be required. The cost of living on the res.
Affirmative. Same as a lot of things. I can do things that some of my clients can't; they "can" do things I can't. Liberty is never truly absolute except perhaps in a Wallachian cave (which I sometimes miss). We may not shout "Theater!" in a crowded firehouse, and we may not take our weapons into those very locations where they most likely may be required. The cost of living on the res.
When I was in, they gave us "safety briefings" every Friday at COB formation and one of the topics covered was ALWAYS "If you have sex this weekend make sure that you use a condom"
By all means please tell this to your COC watch how fast they order you to move back on post.
I agree but, you're overlooking the fact that such orders ARE routinely issued and enforced.
Now, I'm going to guess that you're a field grade JAG officer. Do you really think you'd get any play arguing this with a Lt.General Post Commander?
.455_Hunter
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When I was at Fort Riley from 1999-2002, the following regulations were in place for POWs:
- All POWs brought ONTO post had to be registered with the Povost Marshall.
- POWs stored off-post need not be registered.
- Anyone living barracks or BOQs had to store their weapons in the company arms room.
- I know that E5 or E6 and up could keep their weapons in their family housing quarters on-post if they were properly registered.
- I don't recall the regulations for E1 to E4 living in family housing on-post.
In my case, I lived in Manhattan and only registered the guns I used for on-post hunting, a couple more for the POW firing range (which was hardly ever open
). I owned many other weapons that were not registered, but never went onto post .
As someone who actually conducted "Safety Inspections" on soldiers' personal vehicles, I can say that level of privacy intrusion is warranted. You should seen some of the completely unsafe POS cars that some of the junior soldiers had on-post. Examples include leaking fuel lines, no brakes, no working lights, no safety belts, etc. The scary thing is that this was in a maintnence unit!
- All POWs brought ONTO post had to be registered with the Povost Marshall.
- POWs stored off-post need not be registered.
- Anyone living barracks or BOQs had to store their weapons in the company arms room.
- I know that E5 or E6 and up could keep their weapons in their family housing quarters on-post if they were properly registered.
- I don't recall the regulations for E1 to E4 living in family housing on-post.
In my case, I lived in Manhattan and only registered the guns I used for on-post hunting, a couple more for the POW firing range (which was hardly ever open
). I owned many other weapons that were not registered, but never went onto post .As someone who actually conducted "Safety Inspections" on soldiers' personal vehicles, I can say that level of privacy intrusion is warranted. You should seen some of the completely unsafe POS cars that some of the junior soldiers had on-post. Examples include leaking fuel lines, no brakes, no working lights, no safety belts, etc. The scary thing is that this was in a maintnence unit!
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