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Army fort in Arizona to issue 'ax handles' to guards as part of new security measure

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  1. Drizzt

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    Axes against evil: 1 base's
    plan to bludgeon terrorists
    Army fort in Arizona to issue 'ax handles'
    to guards as part of new security measures

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    Posted: May 23, 2003
    1:00 a.m. Eastern


    By Paul Sperry
    © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

    WASHINGTON -- As the Pentagon deploys more Stinger missiles around its perimeter to guard against new al-Qaida threats, an Army fort out West plans to issue axes to beef up security.

    Actually, axes isn't quite accurate. Some sentries at Fort Huachuca in Arizona will only get the wooden part of the ax -- sans blade.

    "No firearms for sentry duty. They get ax handles!" said a U.S. official, who finds the plan ridiculous.

    Indeed, a post-wide memo, "Operations Order for Force Protection Delta Procedures," advises: "Soldiers ... will be issued a flashlight, batteries and an ax handle to be used in case of an emergency."

    The March 6 memo obtained by WorldNetDaily adds: "Any detained personnel will be controlled by the mere threat of being struck by a wooden ax handle."

    Another memo, distributed March 17 under the subject line, "FP Con Delta Reactive Procedures," details equipment for guards at the fort.

    "Guards: Battle Dress Uniform (BDU), sleeves down, Kevlar, LBE [load-bearing equipment], weather appropriate over garment, and axe handle club," it states.

    A spokesman at Fort Belvoir here, where all guards are issued firearms, chuckled at the ax-handle contingency at Fort Huachuca. "I've never heard of such a thing," Don Carr said.

    A spokeswoman at Fort Bliss in El Paso, Texas, also was amused, saying guards there always carry loaded weapons.

    A spokesman at the Department of Army here was equally incredulous.

    "I'm not aware of any policy regarding ax handles, and I have no idea why any post would have such a policy," said Army Maj. Chris Conway.

    He notes that fort security is the responsibility of each fort commander. "It's not a cookie-cutter thing," Conway said.

    Fort Huachuca, home to a U.S. Army Intelligence Center unit, will not issue the ax handles unless there is a major event of stateside terrorism, which would trigger the security upgrade to Delta, the highest warning level.

    The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency here, however, has raised its warning recommendation for all military facilities to Delta, after al-Qaida leaders this week issued threats against U.S. military installations.

    "We have not changed our plans," said Fort Huachuca spokeswoman Tanja Linton. "We're at Bravo-plus."

    In response to terror warnings, commanders can raise force-protection levels at their bases at Alpha, Bravo, Charlie or Delta.

    The Pentagon is at Charlie.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32727
     
  2. WYO

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    Cool. It should open up a new field: tactical axe handle instructor.
     
  3. foghornl

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    Axe handle for up-close-&-personal...OK

    Axe handle vs a handgun at 30 feet...NO GOOD


    IDIOTA
     
  4. 444

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    Are these the old school wooden axe handles or the tactical fiberglass handle ?
    Did they even consider the straight, sledge hammer handle ?
    I wonder if the officers are issued hammer handles to carry on their belts ? This would also allow the concealment option for under cover operatives.
     
  5. dustind

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    wouldn't using an ax handle be sort of like hitting someone with the skinny end of a baseball bat. I think the way most ax handles are made they would fight against you as you swung, and if you hit, it would be without any weight. Wouldn't they be better off with a stick that is the same thickness the whole way through. When you whack something the heavy end of the stick does 90% of the damage, by removing it, you have to accelerate the heavy handle, without any weight on the other end, there is no way it would work.

    You want to hit either fast and weak, or slow and strong. They are going to end up hitting slow, and weak.

    Its like shooting someone with a 9mm sized bullet that has the speed of a .45 caliber bullet.
     
  6. El Tejon

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    Nothing like a fine piece of hickory!
     
  7. Monte Harrison

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    While in basic at Ft. Benning, we would occasionally get detailed to guard the base payroll office at night - with aluminum baseball bats.
     
  8. KP95DAO

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    Same thing here at Basic at Ft. Ord circa 1973. Around the company area it was an axe handle, flashlight, and a whistle. One time we were sent to watch over some helicopters and we were given M-16s..... WITHOUT ANY MAGS OR AMMO!!!!!
     
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    dustin,
    You might be surprised at just how much damage a good, solid, hardwood axe handle can do.

    But if I'm on patrol, I want a loaded firearm, thank you very much.
     
  10. Dannyboy

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    Ft. Huachuca is intel-weenie heaven. Maybe they don't think that their soldiers there can actually handle a loaded firearm.:D
     
  11. biere

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    The handle for a double headed ax tends to be straight from what I recall of my dad's ax.
     
  12. FPrice

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    It is very instructive to watch what a trained Indian (from the sub-continent India, not the American West) Policeman can do with a four foot Lathi.

    However...even they would not fair well against one armed invader.

    El Tejon - Clint certainly proved what a proper god-fearing clergy man can do with an axe handle...I still winch when I think about that scene.

    :what:
     
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    This has got to be a joke. I cannot believe that we would try to protect such an installation with men carrying a flashlight and an axe handle. Some trust our government has in our men in uniform.

    GT
     
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    Some used to carry axe handles on patrol instead of nightsticks. They were banned in the early `70s. Nightstick is not P.C. either, they`re ahem batons:rolleyes:
     
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    I really hope this is a joke. If not, we should deluge the base commander with correspondance demanding our soldiers be armed.
     
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    Pilotless drones, satellite guided munitions, stealth aircraft, computer controlled tank firing systems, night vision equipment, nuclear powered naval vessels and....... wooden axe handles.....
    :scrutiny:
     
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    Instead of worrying about rust,you would have to worry
    about termites!:D

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    Should be useful for all those Al Qaeda vampires.
     
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    It's satire, right? Right? Isn't it?
     
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    welcome to reality guys. Most of our military leadership does not want anything to happen "on their watch". They would rather have a Joe get shot/blown up/killed by bad guys than have same Joe have an AD and hurt himself/neighbor/civilian. They do not understand that it is a "training" issue. Most "soldiers"/military people are a menace with a loaded weapon due to our ineffective training regimen: dress right dress on the rifle range, rodded on and off; told when to load, when to unload; weapon checked by seniors. Very few units actually train realistically. "leadership" chooses to deal with it by not issueing ammo. Same old story - been around for decades.
     
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    Please oh please tell me... this HAS to be a joke right? Please pelase?

    I mean, it would not even make for a good cartoon....

    GI Joe attempting to stop a moving vehicle with his axe handle bravely getting ready for the 'big swing' while Ahamed drives Abdul and pickup truck of explosives right at our brave Joe... oh but at 25 yards off the AK spits out a burst and the axehandle drops heavily to the ground along with a spray of US GI Blood.


    Oh but wait:

    Fort Huachuca, home to a U.S. Army Intelligence Center unit, will not issue the ax handles unless there is a major event of stateside terrorism, which would trigger the security upgrade to Delta, the highest warning level.

    Maybe it is NOT a joke!

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  22. Feanaro

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    This is like a short story Bill Cosby had in a book he wrote, about his Navy times.

    "They took me out to the clothes-line. There were no clothes on it, just the wire. They gave me a green vest and a rifle with no bullets. I guess if someone came to steal the clothes line I was just supposed to say "Don't hurt me!" "
     
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    While in basic at Ft. McClellan I pulled guard duty a couple of times. M-16, loaded mag w/ 3 rounds and a strip of tape across feed lips in mag pouch.

    Now, one wonders if there will be a push from our govt. to ban axe handles with military style features from the rest of us peons.:rolleyes:
     
  24. Byron Quick

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    Basic at Ft. Jackson...fire guards at the barracks carried short baseball bats but the MP's at the gates were armed with 1911's. I don't know if they were trusted with ammo.

    During AIT at Ft.Leonard Wood I occasionally pulled guard duty at an ammo dump...M16 and empty magazines. Once again the MP's at the gates had 1911's but I don't know if they were trusted with ammo.

    The town of Ft. Valley was hit by a tornado and my unit was used to guard against looters...M16 with empty magazines once again. But I had learned by then and had my own supply. The sergeant came around and checked our empty mags to be sure they hadn't been loaded by civilian ammo. Mine checked empty cause I had brought my own mags, too.
     
  25. geekWithA.45

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    BWA HA HA HAH!

    Please tell me this is a joke.

    Are they issuing hatchet handles to the officers?

    It reminds me of a lengthy joke I heard as a kid, about the army being short of rifles and boyonetts, and trainees running around with sticks shouting "Bang! Bang! Stab! Stab!" until they encounter a group of four guys bellowing "TANK...TANK..."
     
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