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ATF Executive Corruption?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by carnaby, Oct 11, 2006.

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  1. carnaby

    carnaby Member

    Feb 25, 2004
    Bellingham, WA
  2. Deanimator

    Deanimator Member

    Mar 30, 2006
    Rocky River, Ohio
    The BATF(E) has a long and disgusting history of incompetence and corruption going back to its founding.

    Anything that negatively impacts their credibility and morale is to the good.
  3. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Feb 16, 2003
    Ft. Worth
    That happened a very long time ago and that Director has since left his position and Congress began an investigation of ATF.

    Way old news.....Even the crazy left wing Washington Post got it right:


  4. Yakko

    Yakko Member

    Mar 29, 2006
    And this differs from the behavior of the higher ups in any other branch of government???

    Congress included.

    Not saying it's right, or that we shouldn't be outraged. Just not surprised.
  5. MountainBear

    MountainBear Member

    Aug 7, 2006
    If this conduct suprises anyone, you need to crawl out from under that rock you've been living under. The governement is riddled with corruption, it is still a good old boy system (not that I as a white male am complaining), and it is a waste of money.
    Despite all of this, I still hold out hope for our rights and the rights of our children won't be stripped while the politicians are on "conference" in France...
  6. hoover

    hoover Member

    Dec 27, 2006
    ATF Policy (LIE & DENY) when caught in setups!

    During my exhaustive research of the Helen Brach murder investigation there is a clear pattern that I see. ATF Rotunno is an expert at deception to support his theories. Before ATF Rotunno leaked the Plemmons lies to the media he was heavily promoted as a great man in a book called Unbridled Rage by Gene O’Shea.(I want to make it clear that all I say about Gene O’Shea and his book are just my and a few others opinions.)

    I feel that this was part of Rotunno’s plan to win public opinion of what great work he had done of getting people convicted for murders. Then his new fabricated story would carry more weight. In Unbridled Rage a lot of stories about Silas Jayne and his family are told by Rottunno and other law enforcement agents. After all the lies I have pointed out about ATF Rotunno’s disregard for the law and lying, do you believe his stories?

    Rottuno paints a picture to support his con. Gene O’Shea appears to be his P.R. man. Not once throughout this book does he say anything negative about Rotunno. It appears to me and a few others that O’Shea has a hidden agenda in writing this book!

    He really sucks up to Rotunno a lot. I and some others are very, very suspicious of Gene O’Shea becoming Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Did Rotunno or his ATF buddies have something to do with Govenor Blagoavich appointing him to be Illinois Gaming Commissioner?

    He was a reporter at the Daily Southtown newspaper in suburban Chicago while working very close to Rotunno then he becomes Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Very, very interesting! I think this should be investigated! What do you think?

    In the 1995 Ken Hansen murder trial, Hansen’s defense attorney O’Donnell says as Gene O’Shea writes in O’Donnell’s opening statement, “The state’s case was nothing more than fabrication, woven from lies and stories of paid witnesses who were working hand in hand with federal agents to rebuild the tarnished reputation of the Bureau of Tobacco, Alcohol and Firearms, O’Donnell said.”

    “An unholy alliance was created a few years ago, that alliance was between William Wemette, a man who has to please people who pay him money, provide him housing, give him free telephone service, and a unit of government called ATF,” O’Donnell said. “The ATF in 1993 was probably the most discredited law enforcement agency on the face of the earth after the Waco disaster and Ruby Ridge. They desperately needed to seek to rehabilitate their image before the public.”

    William Wemette was and FBI informant from 1971-1989. Then the ATF gets new information from him in the 90’s about a murder that happened in the 50’s. Very, very suspicious looking! Maybe another ATF setup! What do you think?

    O’Shea writes about the 1995 Bailey trial, “Judge Shadur found that Bailey had conspired to murder Helen Brach based on a “preponderance of evidence.”

    This is just from Joe Plemmons testimony! Bailey was convicted of stealing from rich woman. But to sentence him for conspiring to kill Helen Brach on Joe Plemmons word alone looks real weird to me!

    O’Shea writes, “On a moment’s notice Rotunno would find himself switching gears from a suburban family man with a wife and three daughters to his undercover persona as a ruthless drug dealer who “moved” truckloads of marijuana. Gang members came to admire Rotunno, nick naming him “Red” because of the government-issued undercover hot rod he drove, a fully loaded red Mustang.”

    So Rotunno is a trained liar. I bet he is so good at lying that he could look you in the eyes and make you believe his lie. He can probably lie constantly to a lie detector and pass the test!

    O’Shea writes, “Rotunno, with all of his years of undercover work, had honed his instincts, and trusted them. His intuition had gotten him out of a jam on more than one occasion; sometimes he just knew he was right about a suspect or theory.” “Like many lawmen, Rotunno was very good at reading personalities. He often relied on his internal lie detector when sizing up witnesses and informants. Rotunno was also a guarded individual. He rarely shared his opinions or true emotions, and when he did, it was only around those he trusted. Rotunno’s guarded demeanor would pigeonhole him as “bad cop” in an interrogation situation.”

    So once Rotunno creates a theory he will do whatever it takes to support his theory. In the Helen Brach murder investigation, he has lied and fabricated evidence to support his theory. He thinks he is above the law. He has broken the law over and over. Why should Rotunno be able to break the law and not be fired and prosecuted?

    Remember ATF Bob Hauffman saying on Jan 10, 2005 on “60 Minutes” that he could substantiate one of the three ATF woman agent’s claims that ATF agents sexually harassed them. He went on to say that all the criminals that he has put away in his career, all of them have more honor than the top official in the ATF! He said I know this is a sad commentary but that is my experience as an ATF agent! How can we blame ATF Rotunno? He is just following their example!

  7. hoover

    hoover Member

    Dec 27, 2006
    BATF Corruption in Chicago

    The ATF Under Fire
    Thursday, October 12, 2006

    The recently departed director of the federal agency that regulates firearms and explosives is guilty of severely mismanaging government funds and misconduct during his tenure at the agency.

    As head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Carl Truscott misspent federal dollars, committed travel abuse, engaged in improper hiring practices and created a hostile working environment. Details of his tumultuous two years as head of the agency are revealed in a scathing, 173-page report published by the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General.

    Among Truscott’s wrongdoings is improperly hiring an unqualified former Secret Service colleague who was eventually awarded with a bonus and pay raise by the former ATF director. Truscott also committed travel abuse by taking lavish trips to London, Ottawa, New York and Boston and he spent $100,000 on unnecessary gym equipment as well as thousands more on decorating his office.

    Truscott also ordered 20 staff members to help with his nephew’s intricate high school project, wasting the agency’s time and violating ethics rules. The project consisted of a documentary about the ATF that took 10 months to complete and the report says using agency resources was one of Truscott’s many lapses in judgment.

    The former director was highly regarded in law enforcement circles when then Attorney General John Ashcroft appointed him to run the ATF in 2004. He was a former investigator for the New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety and a longtime U.S. Secret Service agent who had been based in New York, Los Angeles and Washington DC. Amid controversy, he resigned as ATF director in August.

    One political blog says there is no shock in this news since the ATF has a history of corruption and incompetence as well as a record of hiring people rejected by other federal agencies, often for failing the psychological screening process.

    ( Thank GOD people are investigating the ATF! If we could only put some of these ATF agents in prison and terminate the ATF. The ATF is too corrupt and reforming has been tried and things have gotten worse! Please GOD send ATF John Rotunno and other little Hoover's (Little Hitler's) to North Korea or Iran. They would be perfect there.) God Bless America!

    Imagine what would happen, if it was allowed that one could make up any story to get an enemy put away in prison for life, with no repercussions, no accountability or consequences to the liar.

    In fact sometimes they are often rewarded with some cash and IMMUNITY. This is like a true sociopaths dream.

    The court system would not only be not very effective, it would become the laughing stock.

    Remember some of these people have used people all their life and nothing has really happened to them.

    I don't think the court system should be allowed to be ~used~ to apply punishment for someone's personal vendetta.

    This person has described exactly what ATF Agent Rotunno has done to my Father! My Father has talked to Rotunno and FBI agents.
    ATF Agent Rotunno hates my Father because he has not been told exactly what he wants to hear to set up other people !
    So Rotunno thinking he is ABOVE THE LAW ( WITH AN EGO BIGGER THAN NO OTHER )went ahead and FABRICATED a story that he hoped would put my Father away for life or into the Electric Chair!
    THAT MY FRIENdS IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL! This man should be prosecuted like any criminal who has used his power as if he is ABOVE THE LAW!
    Using Joe Plemmons a CON MAN and Pathilogical liar as a credible informant, is like seeing kindnes in Hitlers world view! The ATF told Joe Plemmons exacltly what to say to create the Helen Brach murder Con.
    The ATF has clearly without any doubt created one of thier biggest BLUNDERS! With research any moron could see this.

    Fear of the FEDS and Corruption in the Media are the only reasons this story has not been on T.V! :mad: :fire: :mad:
  8. Onmilo

    Onmilo Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    Dirty law enforcement in Chicagoland.
    Maybe you folks didn't catch the videotaped beating of a female bartender by an off duty chicago cop who happened to be there with his equally off duty cop buddy who did nothing to stop the assault that was precipitated by the bartender refusing to serve the duo.
    The beating was followed up with communicated threats to plant drugs and other contraband in the bar and in the owners personal vehicle if any attempt was made to make the beating public knowledge.
  9. Guido2006

    Guido2006 Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Just in case you were wondering where that $200 for the tax stamp went...
  10. ConfuseUs

    ConfuseUs Member

    Feb 13, 2007
    I live on a plain by a few mountains.
    Well the institutional memory of the Prohibition Agent is alive and well!
    Now, why doesn't the ATF seal have a drunken eagle with a pistol in one "hand", a bottle in the other, and a big fat stogie in his beak?
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