AWB and "Restricted: Government/Law Enforcement use only."

[ReadyontheRight]

So... can we legally buy and own the "Restricted: Government/Law Enforcement use only" magazines after the AWB sputters through it's final death spasm in September?

 

[GEM]

I've seen this discussed on another site by guys from the NRA who seem to know the nuances and the answer is 'YES'.

 

[Das Pferd]

I dont even think there is a law saying you cant own LEO marked items now. Its the manufacturers who put that on their products.

You cant own most of it becausae the items they stamp it on are prohibited by the AWB or some other law for non LEO.

i.e. There is ammunition available marked LEO that anyone can buy if you can find it.

It has nothing to do with it being stamped "LEO only."

At least thats my take on it

 

[hillbilly]

As soon as the law sunsets, those words and that writing on those magazines and firearms becomes totally meaningless.

As for me, I want to buy as many mangazines and guns as possible with that crap written all over them just to gloat every time I take stuff to the range that the government tried to keep me from having.

hillbilly

 

[BeLikeTrey]

Amen hillbilly

Exactly why I want them. Collectors item from the stalinistic regime of slick willie. And to gloat...

 

[Werewolf]

Maybe...
Maybe NOT!

For magazines I'd say the answer is yes - you will be able to buy them.

For weapons the answer may turn out to be an emphatic NO!

Many of the weapons one see's in gunshops in the LEO only sections are weapons that the shops get special pricing on from the manufacturer with the proviso that the sell to LEO's only.

Some of those LEO only weapons are LEO only because they have features that a state may have defined as verboten to us peasants.

This policy may die with the AWB but then again it may not.

 

[Destructo6]

Some of those LEO only weapons are LEO only because they have features that a state may have defined as verboten to us peasants.

That, state restrictions, is an entirely different problem that is not effected by the AWB's sunset.

Here's one I've seen batted around: it would be legal for a dealer to purchase a LEO marked semi AR, strip the lower to a bare receiver and sell that part to any Joe civillian. Joe could then, legally, build it into a post-ban compliant AR.

 

[Diggler]

I heard there may be a problem with it if the excise tax wasn't paid on the LEO only version.

 

[Carlos Cabeza]

I was at the gunshop recently looking for some new magazines for my XD 9mm. I was joking around with the salesman and said "only a few more weeks 'til I can buy those regular capacity magazines." There was some buff looking guy with arms bigger than my head standing close by that replied " if you can't get the job done with ten you need to go back to the range" I gasped and asked "who are you to tell me what I need?" He said he was so and so federal agent and stated that magazine capacity will never replace training. I had to agree but thought his comment was a bit arrogant sounding. I tried to think of a scenario in which quantity might have an advantage but kept it to myself.

 

[Diggler]

Tell him that you're so well trained that you would be able to take down as many goblins as you have rounds in your sidearm.

 

[buzz_knox]

He said he was so and so federal agent and stated that magazine capacity will never replace training. I had to agree but thought his comment was a bit arrogant sounding. I tried to think of a scenario in which quantity might have an advantage but kept it to myself.

Should have asked if the chump was carrying original capacity mags. He would have replied that he was, of course, but he needed them because his job put him in more danger than the serfs.

 

[Sam Adams]

Das Pherd

I dont even think there is a law saying you cant own LEO marked items now. Its the manufacturers who put that on their products.

Regarding the mags, it IS law...for about another 9 weeks. If you get caught with a mag that has "Law Enforcement Use Only" or words to that effect, and you aren't a LEO, then you've violated the (unconstitutional and absurdly stupid) AWB, and may well serve time in the klink. Of course, I think that a judge or jury would have a hard time sentencing you to jail time several months down the line for having a mag that was suddenly legal again, but who needs the trouble?

BTW, I went shooting yesterday and *MIGHT* have seen someone who isn't a LEO with a 15-round Glock mags marked "Law Enforcement Use Only." IF I did see that, I *MIGHT* have advised him or her to put away that mag in a place inaccessible to any LEO until September 14.

 

[GSB]

BTW, I went shooting yesterday and *MIGHT* have seen someone who isn't a LEO with a 15-round Glock mags marked "Law Enforcement Use Only."

You know, I've seen this too. Funny thing was, it was an ex-cop who bought a Glock from another ex-cop. The guy had no idea that the things were illegal for him to possess. Had no idea about that part of the AWB. (edit - and one has to assume that the ex-cop who sold it hadn't a clue, either. Sad state of affairs).

 

[buzz_knox]

You know, I've seen this too. Funny thing was, it was an ex-cop who bought a Glock from another ex-cop. The guy had no idea that the things were illegal for him to possess. Had no idea about that part of the AWB. (edit - and one has to assume that the ex-cop who sold it hadn't a clue, either. Sad state of affairs).

Cops seem to be the source of a lot of these. A cop's relative got a Glock 21 off the cop, then tried to sell it to my brother-in-law with the LEO mags included. Another guy at a gun show has an HK Tactical with 4 LEO mags and swore it was legal to possess because a cop sold it to him. Ah, well.

 

[Rickstir]

All I want to know is where can I find a grennade launcher and bayonett mount for my AK?

 

[Jack T.]

BTW, I went shooting yesterday and *MIGHT* have seen someone who isn't a LEO with a 15-round Glock mags marked "Law Enforcement Use Only." IF I did see that, I *MIGHT* have advised him or her to put away that mag in a place inaccessible to any LEO until September 14.

Some people are more concerned than others about following silly, inane laws.

 

[Sam Adams]

Some people are more concerned than others about following silly, inane laws.

That the law is not only silly and inane, but unconstitutional as well, is beyond doubt. However, getting tossed in jail for violating such a law if not exactly my idea of fun. Sometimes, just sometimes, it is wiser to obey a moronic law than to disobey it - especially when said law is likely to disappear in 2 months.

By the way, the person that I *might* have seen with the mag in question isn't, and never was, an LEO. He did get it from an LEO, who told him "if you have any problems with this, just call me." Yeah, right, I'd trust him to: a) remember me, b) give a shiite and c) give a shiite enough to possibly endanger his job - NOT! THAT is why I *might* have told the person in question to put the mag away until the law expires.

 

[Jack T.]

Point taken.

If I had been the one you talked to, I would have been somewhat annoyed. . .probably would have said something along the lines of "Mind your own d*** business". . .

However. . .if I *honestly* didn't know the law, I probably would have thanked you for the info.

 

[Sam Adams]

Jack T.

If I had been the one you talked to, I would have been somewhat annoyed. . .probably would have said something along the lines of "Mind your own d*** business". . .

Actually, the guy that I *might* have seen is a friend with whom I went shooting. He didn't know the law and was happy to get the warning.

As the old saying goes, "you get more flies with honey than with vinegar." Even if I didn't know the person who gave me such advice, I'd take it for what it was - friendly advice as to how to stay out of trouble - and respond accordingly. But that's me.

 

[Diggler]

If someone sees you doing something that you both know is illegal, and tells you to be careful, it's pretty foolish to cop an attitude with them. They very well might think "Well, I WAS going to just warn him so he was careful, but if he's such a jerk, I'll drop a dime on him."

There are people like that out there.

If you're seen with one, fake concern. "Jeez, I didn't know it was illegal! I'll smash it with a hammer as soon as I get home! Thanks for telling me!"

Then go about your way.

 

[Cacique500]

So... can we legally buy and own the "Restricted: Government/Law Enforcement use only" magazines after the AWB sputters through it's final death spasm in September?

My Colt 6920, Vortex Flash Hider, and 5-30 round mags are all on order...will let ya know Sept 15th!

 

[TallPine]

Actually, the guy that I *might* have seen is a friend with whom I went shooting. He didn't know the law and was happy to get the warning.

Don't you mean:
Actually, the guy that I *might* have seen might have been a friend with whom I might have went shooting. He might not know the law and might have been happy to get the warning.

 

[Diggler]

The following story is real. It took place yesterday between a Clueless Person and a THR representative.

THR: "Thank you for using your THR system, my name is Diggler, how can I help you today?"

CP: "OMG, you have to help me. I was driving along, and I found an illegal high capacity magazine laying along the road!"

THR: "Calm down, ma'am, everything will be just fine. Does it have any markings on it?"

CP: "Yes, it says 'LEO Only", and it has a green thingie in the top of it."

THR: "That's the magazine follower, ma'am. It's probably a .223 magazine for a Colt AR-15. We are tracing your location right now."

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THR: "Ma'am?"

CP: "Yes, I'm here!"

THR: "We have pinpointed your location and will be sending a member to you shortly to pick up the magazine."

CP: "Thank you THR, you've saved my life! There's nothing like THR!"

No matter what the emergency or whatever your needs, your THR representative is there to help you. To subscribe to THR, just remeber to push the blue button.

THR. Always there, always ready.

 

[whm1974]

I thought the Post-Ban standerd Mags had "For LEO/Military use only" stamps on them, and the date of manufactor on them as well, and not to mention a special code.

-Bill

 

[Sam Adams]

TallPine

Don't you mean: Actually, the guy that I *might* have seen might have been a friend with whom I might have went shooting. He might not know the law and might have been happy to get the warning.

Exactly, that's exactly what I meant. I've been a bit tired lately, what with the 5-week-old gun-nut-to-be keeping She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed and I awake at night.