AWB Violation Convictions

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In another thread I was telling people I was already beginning to forget the exact details of the AWB, which is a good thing!

I was talking to another kind of anti- person about the AWB and I was describing how difficult it was for even the ATF to define an assault weapon, that it depended on the serial number in lots of cases (ARs for example) and researching with the manufacturer to learn when a receiver was built.

Now that this silliness has passed, do any of you know of any actual convictions of people for "making" an assault weapon? Things like adding a folding stock to a post ban receiver etc. I don't remember hearing of any during that time.

I know the AWB served no good purpose whatsoever, just trying to show my anti friend how silly it all was.
 
I havn't heard anybody getting charged with making an assualt weapon. I imagen that getting convitions would be rather hard since most of the modations are very easy to remove.

-Bill
 
There may have been few-to-none federal AWB convictions, but there have been plenty of state AWB convictions in places like New Jersey, which aggressively prosecutes people for things like this. IIRC there is a guy doing hard time for posessing a Marlin 60, which was found to hold over 15 .22 short and therefore qualify as an "assault firearm".

I wonder how many people are actually aware that people are going to jail on "assault weapon" charges for possession of something as inoccuous as a .22 rifle with an innocent-looking wooden stock. I also get the impression that many of those whose lives are now ruined did not know that they had done anything wrong in the first place.
 
Does the Marlin model 60 even FEED .22 shorts?

What did NJ do put .22 shorts in and count them?

-Bill
 
Shorts won't feed

even manually....Although CB longs do feed manually...I'll have to see how many fit in there, but since they're quite a bit shorter than LRs, I'll bet I can get more than 15 in there.....
 
Is a Marlin model 60 designed to chamber .22 shorts? I know that a .22LR chamber will hold .22 shorts, but is the mod 60 specifically designed/approved by the manufacturer to shoot the Shorts?

Seems to me that the NJ fellows could grab a .30-30 and fill it's mag tube with .22 shorts to see how many rounds it holds. Or use a 10-round .45 mag and fill it up with 9mm to see if they can get over 15 rounds in it.

They'll get ya one way or another. :scrutiny:
 
Is a Marlin model 60 designed to chamber .22 shorts?
No, the barrel literature says for .22 LR only
Even MD excludes tubluar mags from the mag restriction nonsense.
To meet the fed definition of AW it has to have a detachable mag.
NJ may be off on their on tangent though
 
I'm sorry, I seem to have gotten my facts wrong.

Apparently the person in question was convicted of owning one of the older model Marlin 60s that holds 17 .22 LR, which he had never shot, and which he had obtained in the 1980s before the NJ AWB went into effect. The police removed it from his safe. He was convicted of felony posession of an assault weapon (I believe this carries a five-year prison term).

The marlin model 60 is an "assault rifle" in New Jersey.
 
Raven's on the mark.

The gentleman won the rifle in a shooting contest, and tossed it into his safe prior to the NJ AWB, and failed to register it during the window of opportunity.

http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/11/new-jersey-considers-this-to-be.html


Scroll to bottom.

The judgement, http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/state_v_pelleteri.txt is disgusting.


We are concerned here with a statute dealing with gun control.
"New Jersey has carefully constructed a 'grid' of regulations" on
the subject. In re Two Seized Firearms, 127 N.J. 84, 88, 602 A.2d
728, cert. denied sub nom Sholtis v. New Jersey, 506 U.S. 823, 113
S.Ct. 75, 121 L.Ed.2d 40 (1992). This is an area in which
"regulations abound and inquiries are likely," and where the
overarching purpose is to insure the public safety and protect
against acts and threats of violence. State v. Hatch, 64 N.J. 179,
184, 313 A.2d 797 (1973); see also Burton v. Sills, 53 N.J. 86, 248
A.2d 521 (1968). "[T]he dangers are so high and the regulations so
prevalent that, on balance, the legislative branch may as a matter
of sound public policy and without impairing any constitutional
guarantees, declare the act itself unlawful without any further
requirement
of mens rea or its equivalent." State v. Hatch, 64 N.J.
at 184-85, 313 A.2d 797. When dealing with guns, the citizen acts
at his peril.
In short, we view the statute as a regulatory measure
in the interests of the public safety, premised on the thesis that
one would hardly be surprised to learn that possession of such a
highly dangerous offensive weapon is proscribed absent the
requisite license.


Basically, they interpreted "knowingly have an assault weapon" to mean that he knowingly had a gun, and that it was immaterial as to whether he knew it had the characteristics of an assault weapon or not.

Emphasis mine.
 
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That case alone is a perfectly valid reason as to why I'll be moving my entire family to either Florida or PA in the next five years. Among other reasons.

The Marlin model 60 is an assault weapon here, but thankfully just about every post-ban is not. I'm hoping it stays that way until I can get the #@!$ out of here.
 
"[T]he dangers are so high and the regulations so
prevalent that, on balance, the legislative branch may as a matter
of sound public policy and without impairing any constitutional
guarantees, declare the act itself unlawful without any further
requirement of mens rea or its equivalent."
State v. Hatch, 64 N.J.
at 184-85, 313 A.2d 797.

Jesus TF'ing Christ!

Is it time to start loading mags yet? I wonder what Jefferson would have to say about the above?
 
I've heard of a few, but they were addtional charges to more serious crimes. Kinda like getting stopped for speeding, and getting a seat belt ticket as well. I dont know whatever became of these charges.
 
Would we like to lay blame where it really should be, with the voters of that quasi-communist, can't quite be NY, but we'll try S..hole. The record of that state to elect the most extreme variation of whackjob imaginable whenever presented the chance amazes me.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."
 
Basically, they interpreted "knowingly have an assault weapon" to mean that he knowingly had a gun, and that it was immaterial as to whether he knew it had the characteristics of an assault weapon or not.

Right. When people hear the words "assault weapon" they will think of an AK/AR type weapons not a .22 with a tube magazine. I wonder how many other people got busted over something like this?

-Bill
 
Part of the problem is, the average anti takes glee from watching ANY gun owner twist in the wind -- even if it's over a simple thing like owning the wrong lever-action .22 rifle, or any other innocuous gun. Their attitude is akin to that of many people when they hear a rumor that some child molester got a little beaten-up by cops on his way to being booked. Most people, I think, skip right on past the part where they should be very concerned that the police are not acting on the level, and head right to the part where they say, "He deserved it." That's the thinking of the moron antis when it comes to even obviously good, honest, non-threatening people running into legal trouble for owning "the wrong gun."

-Jeffrey
 
Yes, there were some convictions....

Here is one that was originally reported by Gewehr98:

Newswatch: Gun store admits violating law



(Published Feb. 12, 2000)

Sacramento

An Auburn Boulevard gun store pleaded guilty Friday in Sacramento federal court to possession of illegal semiautomatic assault weapons.

The plea was entered on behalf of Great Guns by one of its attorneys, Richard Pachter. Sentencing was set for April 28.

The company faces a maximum fine of $500,000; the company's federal firearms licence will become invalid 60 days after sentencing.

Charges against the store's owner, Sterling G. Fligge, previously were dismissed.

Pachter admitted that the store displayed two .22-caliber Ruger semiautomatic rifles that had been converted to assault weapons with detachable magazines, pistol grips and folding stocks.

Rifles in that configuration are more easily concealed and fired from the hip.


Huge fine for owner of capital gun store: $500,000 for selling illegal assault arms

By Denny Walsh
Bee Staff Writer
(Published May 13, 2000)

A federal judge Friday fined the corporate owner of Sacramento's largest gun store $500,000 for marketing illegal assault weapons. It is the biggest criminal fine ever levied against a U.S. gun retailer.

Attorneys for Great Guns, which had pleaded guilty to the charges, say the company can't pay the fine because it is insolvent.

U.S. District Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. was obviously unhappy with Great Guns' attempt to sidestep a fine by what he described as "gutting its assets" shortly before its Feb. 11 guilty plea.

"Great Guns' effort to avoid any fine in this case is akin to the parent murderer who seeks the mercy of the court because he is an orphan," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Benjamin Wagner in a sentencing brief.

Burrell said he was imposing the maximum penalty not just to deprive Great Guns of profit from the crime but "to penalize it for its evident action of transforming its corporate existence through the fiction of placing a significant amount of its assets in possession of its sole stockholder."

Richard Pachter, an attorney for the Auburn Boulevard store, told Burrell he was troubled by the judge's finding that the company deliberately engaged in conduct designed to frustrate the government's mission and asked Burrell to reconsider.

"I think you're wrong," Burrell shot back heatedly. "My ruling on that point is right and will not be changed."

Because of its felony conviction, Great Guns will automatically lose its federal license to sell firearms 30 days after the sentencing.

This was the first prosecution under Congress' 1994 assault weapons ban in the 34- county Eastern District of California, stretching from Bakersfield to the Oregon border.

Two semiautomatic .22-caliber Ruger rifles with detachable magazines, pistol grips and folding stocks were on display when agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms visited Great Guns on March 8, 1999. Under the 1994 law, semiautomatic rifles in that configuration are illegal because they can more easily be concealed and can be fired from the hip.

Great Guns' sole owner, Sterling Fligge II of Granite Bay, was originally charged along with the company in the weapons counts. He was also charged with lying to an ATF agent when he denied the store had sold any semiautomatic rifles equipped like those displayed.

Fligge, 51, hired former U.S. Attorney George O'Connell, whose firm has as its other name partner immediate past U.S. Attorney Charles Stevens. As tough as he is smart, O'Connell brought his hard-nosed tactics to the matter.

Pachter, a former assistant U.S. attorney and now an associate at Stevens & O'Connell, first argued that the offense was a meaningless, technical and accidental violation that did not merit criminal sanctions. The U.S. Attorney's Office rebuffed Pachter's pitch.

Pachter later returned with O'Connell, and then the two of them persuaded the U.S. Attorney's Office to drop the charges against Fligge.

Prosecutors subsequently said in an application to Burrell:

"The government is moving for the dismissal of defendant Fligge after due consideration, as a matter of prosecutorial discretion, and at the request of counsel for the defendants."

But by Friday's sentencing, relations had cooled between the U.S. Attorney's Office and O'Connell's firm.

Burrell, who was an assistant U.S. attorney under O'Connell, had denied his old boss's motion to suppress the evidence on Oct. 22. The judge found Fligge's testimony at a hearing on the motion "was not veracious; some of his testimony even conflicted with his own declaration" in support of the motion.

Three days after that ruling, Guns and Gear, a newly formed company wholly owned by Fligge, applied for a federal firearms license to operate a gun store at the premises occupied by Great Guns. The new corporation has purchased the right to the Great Guns name.

"Apparently, (Fligge) does not even intend to change the sign," Wagner said in his sentencing brief.

Under the circumstances of this case, the government had no legal ability to freeze the corporation's assets before the February guilty plea. And it had no inkling of what was afoot until after the plea when a probation officer, who was preparing a presentence report for Burrell, began reviewing Great Guns' income statements and balance sheets.

At the end of last year, nearly $1 million was drained out of Great Guns and channeled to Fligge -- then free from prosecution -- in the form of a loan repayment, the first salary he had ever drawn from the company, and a dividend distribution. During the same period, the company drastically reduced its inventory, and its checking account balance plummeted from $133,000 to a minus $10,250.

Total current assets shrank from more than $873,000 as of Sept. 30 to less than $76,000 on Dec. 31.

Although acknowledging in his sentencing memorandum that this could reflect a depletion from sales, Wagner said, "A more logical explanation for the quantity of missing inventory is that some of it has been transferred to another person or entity in contemplation of passing it on to Guns and Gear."

In a later pleading, Wagner said he had "just become aware" that Fligge had, indeed, transferred more than 100 firearms from Great Guns to himself.

While all this was going on, "Fligge almost certainly knew that the company would be pleading guilty to a felony and subject to a substantial fine," Wagner said in his memorandum.

Great Guns insisted it was a normal winding down of operations.

Wagner, however, termed it a "sham ... in order to present this court with a fait accompli -- an indigent defendant."

In a memorandum filed this week, Wagner said, "The defendant simply argues that Fligge had a right to loot the company, and that there is nothing this court can do about it." Fligge "clearly has not gotten the message."

In the event that Great Guns fails to pay the fine, Burrell noted that civil collection remedies are available to the government.

Wagner suggested the possibility that the government would impose the fine against Guns and Gear, provided it could be shown to be an alter ego of Great Guns.

The new corporation's application for a federal firearms license was rejected by ATF locally, and that action was appealed, Pachter said outside the courtroom.

He said there was an administrative hearing in Sacramento last week before an ATF inspector from Southern California, who has not yet made a decision.
 
Pachter admitted that the store displayed two .22-caliber Ruger semiautomatic rifles that had been converted to assault weapons with detachable magazines, pistol grips and folding stocks.

Rifles in that configuration are more easily concealed and fired from the hip.

Quite the propaganda machine they have built there in NJ.:fire:
 
The California AWB does not include rimfire rifles. Now that the federal AWB has sunset, these evil Ruger 10/22s are now entirely legal in California.
 
Those diabolically configured Ruger 10/22's are still illegal in New York :banghead:

I guess I have to keep mine in a sporter-style stock. Maybe I'll get a flashhider just for heck of it (since that's only one evil feature, and two will get me arrested).

:evil:
 
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