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Ayoob Reviews the Ruger SR9 ...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by P. Plainsman, Feb 24, 2008.

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  1. P. Plainsman

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    ... in the cover article of the new issue of Guns. And it ain't pretty!

    Say what you will about Mas, he's one of the few big gunslick writers who is willing to talk dirt in frank terms about a major company's new gun if it doesn't meet expectations. That's what happens here.

    He did like several things about the SR9: its short trigger reach, ambidextrous design, low bore axis, clever reversible grip frame insert.

    The Problems: 1. mag release button would "stick badly" in the release position, preventing the fresh mag from seating properly. This (due to the lawyer-loving mag disconnector safety) would render the gun totally nonfunctional.

    2. Next, the trigger "sucked," with heavy creep and drag through the whole pull. "An integral trigger stop would really improve the SR9's shooting characteristics."

    3. Like virtually every other SR9 reviewer (and me, when I briefly test-fired one), Mas found the manual safety to be poorly placed; it's really small and you can't easily manipulate it with the firing-hand thumb.

    4. Finally, the SR9's accuracy was poor, with most loads not even managing to get "inside the generous accuracy standard of 4 inches (at 25 yards) for service pistols." A few did better. But even of the 'good' loads, only one grouped under 3" at 25 yds. This was, no surprise, Black Hills's XTP-tipped 124 gr JHP+P load -- an excellent, accurate favorite of mine. 2.70" at 25. (Personally, I didn't find the SR9's accuracy problematic when I tried it -- not a match for my CZs, but OK -- but I only fired it offhand to about 15 yards.)

    Even with the (relatively) more accurate loads, Mas reported "occasional 5-inch groups with unexplained called flyers," even when the pistol was shot by "match-winning shooters on my test team."

    That's a seriously negative review, and it's doubly notable to read it in one of the major gun mags.
     
  2. NWdude83

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    I heard the mags were terrible to load.
     
  3. P. Plainsman

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    The one I used was very hard to load.
     
  4. nolyaw

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    Well, I have the magazine, and read it completely, then went out and purchased the SR 9. I wanted aanother cheap knock around 9mm, something different than my Sigs, and 'boring old Glocks'. Its new and I love the way it felt in my hand. I paid $385. In the first 100 rounds of Rem. UMC, I had no problems. My 9 year old however, had one stovepipe, and 2 failures to return to complete battery. Just a tap on the back fixed that. Ifound it reasonably accurate, it shot as good as I did. The strange part is the the mag release worked perfect all day. Then the next day I cleaned it, put it back together, and the the mag release just sticks in. I have to push it to get it back to center again. I pulled it out and found no dirt of any kind on it. I cleaned the entire area, oilde it, and put it back in. Same problem. It sucks. The mag disconnect is on the slide, not the frame, so I don't see by removing it that it would fix anything. There are only 4 parts to the set up. The plastic button, the pin that holds it in, the metal catch, and the spring attached to it. Its very simple, It acts the same way if the slide is on the gun or off. I do know that the first 15,000 of these guns had the 'earlier' mag dissconnect and magazines. Mine is 11,368, made on 11/29/07. From 12/19/07 they are different. What sucks is that is was perfect one day, then crappy the next. Ireally do hate plastic guns. But for the money, newness, feel, and cheapness to shoot, I like this sr9. I just hop I can work this problem out with Ruger. They want like $9 for the 'updated' mag release, and will only sell me the part, from my understanding. I will call them on 2/24 and see what they are willing to do. Should be interesting.By the way, I had only minor problems with the magazine loading. once you get it figured out, its not that bad.
     
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    When I shot it, I wasn't as impressed as I wanted to be. Dry firing the trigger felt fine, but when I was actually shooting I wasn't getting consistent hits. The safety location bothered me to.
     
  6. Chipperman

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    "No honest man needs a mag that seats properly."
     
  7. Jim Watson

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    One of our guys has an SR9 that is functionally reliable and he thinks the world of it "This gun will be buried with me." I think the trigger is just awful and would not tolerate a magazine disconnector, especially one that works like Ruger's.

    Obviously M. Ayoob got an example of the marvels of mass production and statistical process control, commonly termed a lemon. The line "Mas reported "occasional 5-inch groups with unexplained called flyers,"" does not make sense to me. If it is a called flyer, then it is not unexplained. Uncalled flyers not known to the shooter until he looks at the target, and due to inaccuracy of gun or ammunition are the problem.
     
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    Bill Ruger Sr. certainly was a curmudgeon, as expressed by his comments regarding ten round magazine limitations for civilians and his dislike of small, concealable pistols, but he was also a great designer of firearms.
     
  9. Storm

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    Heck, that's like Ford having a major recall, charging you for the replacement part, and then forcing you install it.
     
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    Thats a necessity of the design, and the gun comes with a mag loader. Shoving 17 rounds into a magazine that thin isn't going to be easy, regardless of who makes it. I would think that it would be worth it to have that many rounds in a gun that thin, though.

    Also, I have to say that the 9 dollars for the mag release doesn't seem particularly unfair. Why should it be free? I could see it if every mag release was giving problems, but thats just not the case. I guess I can understand the principle of not wanting to spend 9 bucks on a new gun, but in the big picture it seems like a goofy thing to get worked up about. Also, I think it's great they will send it to you to put in yourself. I would be more upset if I had to send my gun off for something I could clearly do myself!
     
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    Sounds to me like a defective mag catch that doesn't lock the mags in is a warranty issue. Haven't lots of folks here bragged about how good Ruger customer support is? I've only bought parts from them (to be used in an AMT Lightning, no less!), service was good but my only Ruger pistols are 22s so I've no experience about how they handle defective product. Failing to replace mag catches that don't work would be very poor support!

    --wally.
     
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    It should be free if it doesn't work.

    I would send it back, Ruger has been fantastic about servicing their guns for me.

    BUT, I only use rimfire auto pistols from Ruger. Why, because all the centerfire autos I have tried have (are you ready for this,) A CREEPY TRIGGER!!
     
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    Maybe he did just get a lemon, who knows. Unless he tries another one.
     
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    Well, I went to the range today and fired another 300 rounds of Rem UMC ammo thru the sr9. The mag release seems to be working more consistently now, but it still sticks occasionally. It definitely does not feelgood on any level. The real problem I am having is the slide will not go into full battery 100% of the time. A round will be fired, but it won't close all the way. Just a TINY bit, but the gun wont' fire, for obvious reasons. A tap on the back of it does the trick, but that sucks. Definitely not a reliable piece. Out of three hundred, it did it about 10 times. So much for this being a CCW piece. Can't trust that. I am willing to put the mag release in by myself, but Ruger will want the gun back if I complain about that. I like my guns at home. The gun IS accurate, however. I like the sights and am impressed by the accuracy. Funny thing, my basic 1991A1 15 year old Colt had no problems whatsoever after 15 loaded mags back to back in about a minute and a half. Strange...:rolleyes:
     
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    Of course it is accurate, it apparently has an undersize chamber. Have you shot other brands than UMC?

    I'd return it. An undependable gun "at home" is not your friend.
     
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    Yes, winchester WB. It has only done it on the UMC, but who the hell wants a picky $400 gun? The owners manual clearly states that " no known brand or type of ammunition fails to function in the SR9). Now I do know that some CZ's (PO1?) don't like anything but hot ammo....this should not be the case with this gun. I hope not. You know, the magazines always test with the finest quality of ammo you can buy. What's up with that? I guess all the free stuff is the best stuff. Like I am going to go to the range with 1000 rounds of Black Hills.
     
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    Sorry to hear about the SR9 issues. Let's hope Ruger works through the new release issues. ;)

    I almost bought one yesterday (had read the Ayoob write-up) but common sense caught up with me and I picked up the XD9 4". It made sense since I already had the XD45c so the holsters I have can served double duty....that and the fact that my XD45 has been flawless through its first 2000 rounds....it's hard to switch brands.
     
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    I thought about the SR9 when they first came out, but I didn't care for the trigger, and I had serious misgivings about the size and location of the safety. I think I'll wait and see what Ruger does (or doesn't), do about addressing some of these issues with the current design.
     
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    If you go back and read it seems that Ruger changed the mag release after the first 15,000 guns produced. I doubt they did that unless there was an issue or that improvements were needed. If there was an issue it needs to be fixed, especially with something like a mag release, and charging for the part is ridiculous. If it's an easy swap then I agree that sending the part is definitely preferable to returning the gun, but getting cheap over $9 is pennywise and pound foolish on the part of Ruger. If it's an isolated event and the change to the mag release is a coincidence, at the very least it is a warranty issue and charging the $9 is once again dead wrong. That's no way to build customer loyalty and whoever made that decision at Ruger should be sent to Taurus to work :evil:
     
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    At $365 + transfer and shipping, you can get a used Glock 17.
     
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    Obviously I could have bought a Glock 17. I have 7 Glocks. I wanted something different, This is the 'new' thing. I was giving my input on my experience with the 'new' thing. The gun is MUCH slimmer than my 17. It has better sights. The grip feels better to me. But...my G17 will fire any ammo, any time anywhere...its just ugly as sin and booooring. Just giving input on the newest toy out there. I'll probably play with it for another week, then put it away, or sell it to a buddy for $350...if it does the slide malf. again, she's gone.:mad:
     
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    :what: Lets see if I got this right, you read Ayoob's scribble and THEN you went out and BOUGHT ONE ANYWAY!:what:
    I feel more than a little vindicated at the results of Mr Ayoob's latest Ruger expedition, and those of you who just had to have one......well there you are!
    For those of you yet to take the plunge, keep in mind that Ruger has always been NOTORIOUS for rushing their product to market! Incidentally, my Glock-17 mags load up without any effort at all!
    Now maybe some day the SR9 will be a great 9mm pistol, but that day has not yet dawned......;)
    P.S. Better sights then Glock? My G-17 came from the factory with Meprolight's installed, whole pkg out the door at Sportsmens Warehouse was $569.00 compared to the regular price of a whopping $529.00 for the standard Glock set...
     
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    I've read both good and bad reviews on the pistol, but i'm going to have to trust Mr Ayoob, he knows more then i do, and never seems to endorse a bad product. Well as far as i can tell from the products i've used...

    Anyone actually own one? That can give some more insight into this review?
     
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    Get the P95. Problem solved.:D
     
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    The problem with buying a Glock is then being stuck with owning a Glock.

    The poster in question wanted to try it, and the cost to have one as a range banger is low, so how can he be faulted for that?
     
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