Background checks at guns shows?

[jfountain2]

Someone on another forum I am on asked about background checks at gun shows, are they required or not? I have never bought anything at a gun show so I don't know the answer. This guy is in Dallas TX.

 

[MakAttak]

Background checks are required at gun shows. Any dealer there must perform the same background check as at his store.

However, if private individuals are selling their own guns, they are not required to perform a background check- just like anywhere else.

 

[22-rimfire]

In TN background checks are required when purchasing a firearm from a FFL dealer. Gun shows are no different.

There used to be a waiting period for handguns in TN. That changed with the instant background check.

Nothing has changed for private individuals buying or selling as mentioned above.

I assume you are from TN. You may only purchase a handgun from a Tennessee resident or dealer directly. Purchases from out of state individuals and dealers have to be transferred through a TN FFL dealer. Gun shows make that process more comfortable as the firearm may be transferred to a proper dealer inside the show and then sold to you directly.

 

[jfountain2]

Thanks!

 

[gunnut1]

All gun shows in Colorado are required to preform a background check and ANY transaction. All FTF sales are even required to preform a back ground check. What's worse, if the transaction action happens in a parking lot of a gunshow, even that has to have the Background check.

 

[El Tejon]

Federal and state laws still apply to gun shows.

The way the antis talk one would think that there is some sort of bubble of lawlessness around gun shows.

 

[arflattop]

Just bought a pistol at a gun show in Louisville, KY. They called NICS like usual...........

 

[DougW]

Check done by FFL01 dealer selling to an unliscened (CHL) person in Texas will do a background check, ginshow or not. Individual selling personal firearm at a gunshow to an unliscened person requires no background check, no FFL01 involvement. CHL exempts individual from any background checks by FFL01 in Texas.

 

[Rubber_Duck]

Bought an AK at a gunshow in Albuquerque....the same paper work and NICS as buying from a regular store. Private party sales here don't require background check though.

 

[Cougfan2]

In Oregon you have to get a background check on any firearm purchased from anyone at a gun show. BATFE with the blessing of local police have tried to sting people by offering to meet them outside the show and selling the gun with no background check to them then. Once you give them the money they slap the cuffs on. I have also heard that even if you contact someone say a month later that you met at a gun show and you purchase the gun without a background check they can prosecute you.

 

[TexasRifleman]

The way the antis talk one would think that there is some sort of bubble of lawlessness around gun shows.

But don't you know that statistics show 90% of guns used in crimes come from gun shows? They know this because the grips still smell like beef jerky

 

[jrfoxx]

All gun shows in Colorado are required to preform a background check and ANY transaction. All FTF sales are even required to preform a back ground check. What's worse, if the transaction action happens in a parking lot of a gunshow, even that has to have the Background check

Sadly, it's the same here in OR. One of only 2 crappy gun laws here,where we really have VERY few gun law at all to begin with. Oh well, I only go to shows for fun, to browse, and get the occasional deal on ammo or accessories, as guns tend t be cheaper elsewhere. I there was god deal on a private, FTF sale on a gun, I can live with the NICS check, doesn't bother me on a practical level, personally (just on a philosophical, constitutional one, but I fear background check are a battle we will never win), it's the transfer fee attached that would bug me. Tacking on $30 to a sale that I wouldn't have to pay if I had answered an ad in the newspaper is what gets me, as it wipes out part o the money I was saving.

 

[Cougfan2]

Tacking on $30 to a sale that I wouldn't have to pay if I had answered an ad in the newspaper is what gets me, as it wipes out part o the money I was saving.

It gets worse in Oregon. The local fish wrapper, The Oregonian, won't accept classified ads for handguns. It's why I dropped my subscription.

 

[justin 561]

Florida gun shows do require a Background check. I have found a few vendors that did not do one. I don't think its to smart to do that.

 

[jrfoxx]

It gets worse in Oregon. The local fish wrapper, The Oregonian, won't accept classified ads for handguns. It's why I dropped my subscription.

Huh, didn't know that.I have seen a few the Eugene paper, which seems backwards, as the Register Guard seems to be an even worse moonbat rag than the Oregonian.Go figure.

Still,I wouldn't subscribe to either of those pieces of junk. I only read them because I get them free at work,and only read the comics, and "letters to the editor", as I find both to routinely be hilarious! Often the letters are actually the funniest part . I get a kick out of all the mind-numbingly EXTREME socialist, "liberal/progressive" (nobody freak, I'm referring to what "liberal/progressive" typically means, and the people who proclaim to be such, today, not what it used to, and SHOULD mean)

 

[ArmedBear]

Why in God's name would you have subscribed to the Oregonian anyway?

 

[ProficientRifleman]

Think of it this way....

You and your neighbor are having coffee at your house. He notices an old shotgun you have had for twenty years. He asks you,

"Hey buddy, you wouldn't part with that for $150.00, would you?"

You, right at that moment, have an insurance bill due. The bill is for...just about $150.00.

You reply,

"Sure, my good friend, I'll sell you that old piece. I was thinking of getting a new one anyway."

Now, you have known this friend of yours for 25 years. You know he isn't a criminal, has never even been arrested, and hasn't has so much as a traffic citation in years....

Do YOU believe the right thing to do is get on the phone immediately and beg permission from the FBI? Or worse, be forced to run down to your local Licensee sell it to him and have him sell it to your friend, only after having received PERMISSION from the FBI?

This has nothing to do with gun shows. It has everything to do with whats left of your freedom. Your freedom is NOW VIEWED as a loophole in the law.

As soon as the gun show loophole is closed, a loophole in the loophole will be discovered. It will be located in your living room.

 

[Hypnogator]

Now, you have known this friend of yours for 25 years. You know he isn't a criminal, has never even been arrested, and hasn't has so much as a traffic citation in years....

Do YOU believe the right thing to do is get on the phone immediately and beg permission from the FBI? Or worse, be forced to run down to your local Licensee sell it to him and have him sell it to your friend, only after having received PERMISSION from the FBI?

I would view the inconvenience of calling in (or going on line) to check on my friend as a small price to pay to make sure that there wasn't something in his background that I didn't know about.

I have no problem requiring a background check on ALL firearms transactions (except, perhaps among close relatives) PROVIDED the check is truly free, doesn't identify the weapon being transferred or the seller/giver's ID, and is truly instantaneous via Internet or toll-free phone number manned 24/7.

If the credit card companies can check your bank account balance/credit balance in less than a minute, the Gov't should be able to do the same with criminal background checks.

 

[ROMAK IV]

ProficienRifleman is exacly right! here is no reason for background checks for Privae Sales. That is why I was mystified when John McCain introduced, on his own initiative, a gun show Bill several years ago. The operators of the Gun Show would have been required to ensure, under federal penalty, that NO firearms were being sold, private or not, without a background check from the government. The most obvious result would have been fewer gunshows, but private gun sales have never been the problem they are made out to be, and background checks only confirm the legality of legal gun sales, and thus are pretty useless in lowering crime. And this has been confirmed even by surveys with antigun biases. In addition, the federal government has no juridiction on private gun sales. In addition, the anti's pretend that background checks and registration don't occur at all, and muddy the water by confusing periodit licensing and registration, as well as inspection requirements of people own houses by comparing those to Car registration.

I don't have problems with background checks in theory, but they are done in such a way as to infirnge upon the RKBA, do NOTHING about crime, and have the ultimate purpose of enabling a mass confiscation in the future.

 

[another okie]

I have found the best way to explain this to people is to say something like this:

"There is no gun show loophole. The federal laws governing the sale of guns are exactly the same whether the sale occurs in a gun shop, at a gun show, or in a private home. Anyone who uses the phrase 'gun show loophole' is trying to deceive you."

 

[VARifleman]

Hypnogator, that would require a 4473 filled out on every transfer, an FFL to do every transfer, meaning that the government would have a paper registry waiting to go into the computer, and could close down all legal gun purchases by shutting down FFLs.

 

[Nate C.]

There is no federal law requiring a background check for a face-to-face transaction for (nonlicensed) individuals who both reside in the same state. FFLs still have to conduct a check, even at a gun show. Many states have their own laws that require all transactions (even by unlicensed individuals and even at gun shows) to go through an FFL--hence a background check.

 

[Hypnogator]

Hypnogator, that would require a 4473 filled out on every transfer, an FFL to do every transfer, meaning that the government would have a paper registry waiting to go into the computer, and could close down all legal gun purchases by shutting down FFLs.

Not what I had in mind, of course. A simple on-line or telephonic check, and you get a transaction number that you copy down on the receipt you get for the weapon. (You do get a receipt, don't you?) Then you squirril it away in your important papers. If you are later accused of "Sellin' to a Felon" you whip out the receipt with the transaction number proving that you cleared the sale.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

In general, yes, but details depend on the state. A licensed dealer operating at a gun show must run a background check, no matter the state - this is a matter of federal law. In Arizona, this is waived if the purchaser has a concealed weapon permit, and private sales - between two individuals that are not licensed dealers - do not require a background check. Other states may (e.g., California), so check your state law. However, I doubt if Texas is one of those states.

 

[Catherine]

Quote:

Think of it this way....
You and your neighbor are having coffee at your house. He notices an old shotgun you have had for twenty years. He asks you,

"Hey buddy, you wouldn't part with that for $150.00, would you?"

You, right at that moment, have an insurance bill due. The bill is for...just about $150.00.

You reply,

"Sure, my good friend, I'll sell you that old piece. I was thinking of getting a new one anyway."

Now, you have known this friend of yours for 25 years. You know he isn't a criminal, has never even been arrested, and hasn't has so much as a traffic citation in years....

Do YOU believe the right thing to do is get on the phone immediately and beg permission from the FBI? Or worse, be forced to run down to your local Licensee sell it to him and have him sell it to your friend, only after having received PERMISSION from the FBI?

This has nothing to do with gun shows. It has everything to do with whats left of your freedom. Your freedom is NOW VIEWED as a loophole in the law.

As soon as the gun show loophole is closed, a loophole in the loophole will be discovered. It will be located in your living room.
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Bingo!

And it only continues to get worse... firearms and in 'other' matters. Loopholes... uh huh... and other words would apply here.

Catherine