Bad Experience @ Unsupervised Shotgun Range

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metalhd9034

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Hello All,

Just wanted to relate my experience this afternoon to the folks @ THR and see if I was justified in being upset. I apologize to the Mods in advance because I know I've seen a "Stupid things seen at the range" thread here before but everytime I run the search it doesn't seem to work. If my post needs to be moved, so be it, I won't be offended.

What happened: A buddy and I decided to get out the shotgun, and make a trip up to the local unsupervised shotgun range and get some long needed trigger time hitting clay targets. It is normally a really nice place to shoot, with pleasant people and it is maintained by the fine people from the Ohio Dept of Natural Resources. It was a little busier than usual, but being a nice day on a weekend, that is pretty much par. There were at least 5 groups out on the line shooting, with our group being the furthest to the right, and the group in question on the furthest left, with the rest of the shooters in the middle. About halfway through, we noticed a man from the far left group just walk out into the field, and start picking up unbroken clay targets and then start working his way to the right ACROSS THE FIELD IN FRONT OF THE OTHER SHOOTERS. He didn't ask for a ceasefire, he just walked out there bold as brass, without a care in the world. Everyone stopped firing and basically stood around while this guy took his good ol' time picking up everyone's unbroken targets. Eventually people got tired of waiting for this lunatic and RESUMED SHOOTING OVER HIM! (not directly, but he was still down range from everyone's fire) After this, quite a few groups left as they either didn't feel safe, or got tired of this guy's antics. Eventually this guy and his Son, and my group were the only ones left. We were almost done with our targets, and this guy decided to start all over and collect MORE targets from downrange, without asking us for a ceasefire. So we waited for a few minutes while he walked around picking up targets. After giving him a suitable amount of time, we wanted to resume our shooting. I walked down to the Son and asked him politely if he could get his Dad to come back to the line and allow us to finish shooting. I was not going to shoot "over" anyone no matter how "comfortable" they were with people shooting over them. The Son was visibly upset at his Dad's actions but seemed like there was nothing he could do to get his Dad to listen. So in no uncertain terms I let it be known that I thought his Dad's actions were extremely unsafe, and futher, I didn't appreciate driving 30 minutes to watch him pick up clay targets all afternoon, and not be able to shoot my own targets. During this discussion my Buddy noticed an open cooler with beer etc next to some chairs that they had set out. Are people really this stupid?! The Dad said some rude things about us talking to his Son, and overall was a huge waste of oxygen. :cuss: :fire: We left immediately, and reported the incident to the Park Rangers that operate the O.D.N.R range down the road. I doubt I'll ever find out what happened, but after this incident I really don't know if I'll make a repeat visit. Was I justified in reporting this or should I have just left and let it go? I know I was definitely glad to have my CCW since we had exhausted all our shotgun ammuniton. I don't think he would have done anything to us with his Son there, but it's been my experience that people who are drunk, don't exactly use common sense. (obviously) Let me know what you think, as I have learned alot from THR over the years and would like to know how it possibly could have been handled, or if you have encountered similar situations. Thanks!!
 
You cant fix stupid. Sometimes stupid people ruin your day. That sucks.

Got a story out of it though, and some say a man is judged by his stories.
 
The only thing I've had happen like that was when I was shooting with some friends (shotguns, rifles, and handguns), and out of nowhere, this guy on a riding mower just starts mowing the range while we were in the middle of shooting. He didn't talk to us at all, even though he unloaded the mower from his pickup about 10 feet away from us, he just hopped on and started mowing. My friends and I felt it was a serious safety hazard (to the mower) and decided to leave.

I think you did the right thing in reporting it. Guns and alcohol NEVER mix, and the belligerent jerk should have had at least some common sense.
 
its reasons like that that i avoid the unsupervised range here. first time i went there was a guy ,probably 17yo, doing mag dumps with a full auto ak. i quickly left
 
I think you did the right thing. I'll bet the DNR guys took care of it too. I've been surprised at the number of people on THR mention renting guns and speaking with range officers. Here in Iowa unsupervised ranges is all we have that I know of.

The drunk in question could've been cited for having an open container or possibly even arrested for public intox. You never know but either of those may have an effect on how he conducts himself the next time he's there if he knows people aren't going to put up with his crap. Maybe I'm just too optimistic in this scenario.
 
I turned in his license number, gave a description of the vehicle, and took a short video clip of the guy picking up clays off in the distance while everyone was standing around waiting for him to finish:rolleyes:.
 
You know all those ads you see on TV for the ambulance chasing lawyers?

These are the "victims" they are looking for. And God help you if you'd have shot him.

You know those warning labels on stuff, the ones you see and think "how could anyone be stupid enough to stick their hand in a lawn mower? You just found out.

You need to read the book The Darwin Awards. Makes this guy look smart.
 
They've probably been kicked out of private ranges so the parks are all they have left.
 
Was I justified in reporting this or should I have just left and let it go?
You should NEVER let a serious safety issue go, ESPECIALLY when alcohol is involved, EXTRA especially when the person involved is unreceptive to proper behavior.

The person in question was committing a CRIME in Ohio. You just have to be under the influence of alcohol, and there's no blood alcohol level specified.

The man is an imbecile and deserves to get "hammered" in a different way than he'd like.

We had a doctor show up drunk at our club, right after he joined. He was thrown off the range and his dues refunded. It couldn't have been a week later that there was a story on the local news about a doctor found passed drunk out by the side of I-90, a loaded gun on the seat next to him. He DIDN'T have an Ohio CHL or equivalent. Guess who the doctor was?
 
They've probably been kicked out of private ranges so the parks are all they have left.
I know one he probably wouldn't have been kicked out of. The last time I shot there, there were three guys off to my left, wrestling over a loaded Remington 870, yelling at each other in Serbo-Croatian.

It's indoors, so he would have had trouble shooting trap... not as though that would have stopped him from trying... or the "management" from paying attention.

I DIDN'T report this incident (and my being swept by the guy to my right five minutes previously) because it all happened behind a large window which SHOULD have been monitored. They obviously don't CARE. I've never shot there since and warn everyone I know from shooting there.

I was once on the Fort Knox public range when a couple of townies started shooting while we were downrange. We did go straight to range control and report them.
 
I think you handles it correctly. It would have been easy to start shooting over him but unsafe and unwise. We should not let the idiot actions of others bring us down to their level.

This guys was just plain out stupid. Alcohol and firearms...not a great combo,I also do not see the point to target shooting while consuming a beverage whose design will make you less proficient. Walking onto the range, well, it is apparent with behavior like that, he is pretty much only alive because of the charity of others. All he needed was a couple of drunk good ol' boys and you would have had need for an EMT.
 
Scary

Reading stories about stupid people who are old enough to know better always reminds me of one afternoon covering a youth pheasant hunt. Those kids showed more control than people sometimes three times their age. There was a group of 10 to 12-year-olds hunting pheasants at a game preserve. At one point, one pheasant turned and flew to the right and back. It flew right over my head. I took my camera and started to take the shot. At the same time I realized I MIGHT be in the path of some inexperience hunters if they decided to turn and fire. I fell backwards as the pheasant flew over my head. Not one of those kids took a shot at that bird. Everyone at the hunt got a kick out of me falling backward and thought it was an accident. I told them why I did it and they seemed surprised.

Good group of kids who were obviously well trained in firearms safety. One of those boys ended up bagging the biggest buck in the county with one shot from a 20 gauge-a 240 pound 17 pointer.
 
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I agree, even though we still have some yahoos at our range at times. Went out on a Sunday and there were big divots blown out of the ground, feathers and gore. It appears as if someone was shooting birds with some sort of 7.62 x 39 judging from the brass I found on the ground.
 
You cant fix stupid. Sometimes stupid people ruin your day. That sucks.

............yep, and on public land/public range on a nice weekend, you can almost be guaranteed to come across at least one. Weekdays and bad weather usually keep those same folks home in front of the TV set. The guy was a clod and knew others would quit shooting whenever he decided to go downrange. He didn't wait till others were done shooting cause he didn't want to give them the chance to pick up their own unbroken targets. A real first class jerk...the world is full of them.
 
I've seen stupid at the range before, but maybe not that stupid.

I don't shoot at unsupervised ranges with lots of different groups around that don't agree to safety rules before they start shooting. Waiting on other people to put out targets or various other things at supervised ranges is sometimes annoying, but less so than recuperating in the hospital.

jm
 
This weekend I was at an unsupervised range and when I pulled up I noticed a young girl walking through the parking lot with an uncased rifle at hip height and was basically covering everyone with the muzzle. I decided to walk up to the line and see what was what before I unloaded my truck. The girls father was on the line handling the rifle while people were down range during a cease fire. I gently told him it was not safe and he put the gun down. I got in my truck and left. I was really excited to get out this nice warm weekend to get some trigger time and it was extremely diappointing.

Just a note. This happens sometimes even at supervised ranges. Late last year a guy next to me with has a mosin nagant with a round stuck in the chamber. He sat the gun on his lap with the muzzle pointed accross the firing line to the left (at me and everyone else) while he worked on the round with a screw driver. We all screamed at the top of our lungs and he just looked surprised. "What's the problem? The bullet is just stuck and I don't have the bolt closed"
 
I know one he probably wouldn't have been kicked out of. The last time I shot there, there were three guys off to my left, wrestling over a loaded Remington 870, yelling at each other in Serbo-Croatian.

Sounds like a good place to avoid.
 
I think you did the right thing. I'll bet the DNR guys took care of it too. I've been surprised at the number of people on THR mention renting guns and speaking with range officers. Here in Iowa unsupervised ranges is all we have that I know of.

The DNR has two supervised ranges near Des Moines. One is actually operated by the DNR. The other is leased to a private contractor. They are very serious about safety at both.
 
You did the right thing in turning him in.

I guess I should count myself lucky. The closest range to me is an unsupervised range. In fact I was there twice last week, and have been there numerous times over the past years, and somehow never experienced this kind of thing. No matter who's there, somehow we all manage to get along, call out for "ceasefires" and I have NEVER seen any range safety violations, or people meandering out to pick up targets while the range was hot.
I pray this situation continues; I wish people everywhere would get a "CLUE" on range safety and follow the rules. It CAN work .... it seems it just doesn't work sometimes because there's some ooftus gooftus who is without a clue on firearms safety.
 
The very moment the offender was spotted down-range while shooting was in progress, an immediate "cease-fire" should have been called out and the irresponsible person be advised of the basic rules applicable to the range as well as being apprised of fundamental safety protocol. Any resistance on the part of the offender should not be allowed to escalate to confrontational behavior but reported to range authorities as soon as possible.

I applaud any effort to have shooting ranges open to the general public but, minimally it seems to me, a qualified range officer should always be on duty and present to contend and act on the inevitable infractions that will be committed by the uninformed.
 
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