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Range horror. I hope you're sitting down for this, I've never seen anything like it.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Ranger Roberts, May 14, 2013.

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  1. 95XL883

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    I'm a sucker for old beater Dan Wessons. I got it for $230. It was going to be my truck gun but after 12 rounds I decided I better get it fixed first. (I think it is the timing but I'm not a gunsmith.)

    To keep the thread on track, I'm still amazed at that guy. To risk having his daughter shot or seeing her father shot!? In my best Fazzini voice, "Unbelievable!" How did he get on the Board?
     
  2. Texan Scott

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    "Inconthievable!"... my guess is money.
     
  3. PavePusher

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    Fortunately, the County-run public ranges here in the Tucson area seem to be very well run. I've never had/seen any serious problems, and the regulars help the RSO's keep an eye on the obviously new folks.

    There are several un-regulated shooting areas on public land. From the behavior I've seen while passing by in my truck and on mountain bikes, I will never shoot in those locations, ever.
     
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    Are you telling me that he didn't require a universal background check to have his daughter?
     
  5. Highland Ranger

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    Time for a new range. Something bad will happen at that one.
     
  6. Cee Zee

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    I hate to say it but I would have to contact the sheriff's office for the area where your range is located. If that moron gets someone killed (like his daughter) there won't be any more ranges there. If the BOD doesn't enforce their own laws (or even follow them themselves) then the management of that range is off the charts dangerous and it's only a matter of time before something bad happens. I take safety seriously and I think everyone should. If the sheriff didn't do anything I'd get the media involved or the state government. I know it stinks to do things like that but sometimes it needs to be done. Rat them out to the gun grabbers before the gun grabbers have a very serious issue to toss around.
     
  7. Hokkmike

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    Any chance he was drinking....???
     
  8. OilyPablo

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    Never see this before. Never. And I shoot a lot, mostly private club ranges.

    So - and no excuse - I can almost imagine some distracted person by himself after say a nasty day at work or whatever, arrive at the range start setting up at a hot range, get his targets out and begin to step, and oh yeah hot range, I can't go out....stop before he even gets to the line.

    But to walk out with a kid? And to top it off, act as if he didn't know the rules? What????

    He's on the BOD, did that by chance make him think he is immune to the rules? Surely your club would not elect an inexperienced person or complete idiot to the BOD?
     
  9. 45_auto

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    I was a sheriff for 8 years.

    What exactly do you expect the sheriff's department to do about it? There is no law against going downrange parallel to where someone else is firing. It's not the end of the world. I've done it myself on many occasions. I didn't have any choice, the army and the sheriff's department MADE me do it whether I wanted to or not! I've seen it done in private training classes and by people who are out practicing their "zombie defense" training. It's pretty much a standard small arms tactic. Look up "fire and movement tactics". Crap, even wikipedia has an article on it.

    It definitely wasn't the smartest thing to do in the situation the OP described, but again, exactly what do you expect law enforcement to do about it? They aren't there to be your mama. Someone needed to bring it to the offender's attention that it wasn't the safest thing to do, which they did. They also need to point out to the club that their safety regulations and penalties for disobeying are obviously not being communicated to everyone. Sounds like there should be some club procedure/training revisions in the near future. If the guy's a repeat violater, he needs to go.

    If everyone is following the four basic rules and is aware of their surroundings at the club, then firing should stop immediately if someone goes forward of the line. That's pretty much the whole point of ANYONE being able to call a "cease fire" at any club I've ever been to. Sounds like that's exactly what happened. At that point it is a club matter as to what happens next.

    I can imagine getting the call from cee zee.

    cee zee: "Hello, I'd like to report a guy walking downrange with his daughter on a private range while some other people were shooting".

    dispatcher: "Was anyone hurt? Were any laws broken? Is this on private property?"

    cee zee: "uh, no one was hurt, but it was possible that they could have been! It's private property, but they broke the club's rules!"

    dispatcher: "What would you like us to do about it?"

    cee zee: "Can you come out and enforce the club's range rules for us?"

    Some people need to get a life. It's not surprising the direction that the country is heading in with the number of people on a frigging gun forum that believe that the government needs to be involved in resolving a club safety violation at a private range.
     
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    I was a bit surprised at that as well - some advocating contacting their state/local child services! Holy smokes. :banghead:
     
  11. Sam1911

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    That's not because they want CPS to come enforce the range rules, but because the guy put his daughter's life in serious and immediate danger, as a matter of (what seems to be) his standard procedure. That's not club rules. That's child endangerment.

    I don't think I could quite do that, CPS is likely to make the rest of that kid's childhood a Dickensian nightmare (far beyond what might be a one-time safety risk), but the guy needs to understand just how badly he screwed up, what he was risking, and resolve to never do anything so stupid again.

    If he was observed to do this more than once, especially after being warned, ... maybe.
     
  12. Walkalong

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    We went cold at our private range one a day and put targets up. The fellow at the other end got back and then started shooting when I was still about 50 yards out.

    I was pretty stern with him. No cussing or belittling etc, but he needed some 12" wide duct tape to tape his posterior back on when I was done.
     
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    Wow. In all my 50 years of shooting, I've never seen anything like that. What an idiot. Board member or not, if this happened at my club, he'd be gone quick-time.
     
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    I didn't smell any booze and his eyes didn't show any signs of drinking. If I smelled booze this whole thing would have ended with a quick trip to county lockup.
     
  15. Arkansas Paul

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    I was gonna say the same thing. It just sucks that the 8-10 year old child could have suffered or been killed because of his stupidity. Some people shouldn't breed.
     
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    The saying/command "eyes and ears" actually has two meanings. Good thing folk there had their heads on a swivel.
     
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    +1 You need to be very careful about calling CPS in any situation. Have your facts straight. Remember this as hard as it is to grasp. It is not against the law to be a bad parent. It is against the law to be a neglectful or abusive parent. We have lots of bad parents out there.

    I worked with kids in foster care for many years. It is extremely hard to stop the CPS ball once you get it rolling. In some cases, families are torn apart for several years or forever uneccesarily.
     
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    i second that
     
  19. Beach Nut

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    I am in agreement with what a earlier poster mentioned about a sticky or even
    a forum dedicated to range protocol and etiquette. I am fortunate that I have
    private land to shoot on but I have been invited by my friends on several
    occasions to shoot at firing ranges and I have been shy about going with them.
    I wouldn't want to do anything unknowingly that would embarrass myself or
    the party that was kind enough to invite me. I learned basic gun safety at an
    early age but ranges have rules and higher standards (most of them at least)
    and I don't want to look like the village idiot if I do decide to accept one of
    these invitations.
     
  20. GEM

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    I've been at the range when a middle aged man and his elderly father were shooting. The old guy wouldn't stop firing when a cease fire was called. His son had to wrestle the gun away from him once. On the second time, the guy was booted.

    He insisted that he knew how to shoot.
     
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    It's not going to come to calling CPS. What he did was incredibly stupid and unsafe, but not illegal. I will be going to the next board meeting to make sure everyone is fully aware of what happened. My chief is going with me as well. My dept has a good relationship with the president of the board, after hearing the story I am sure he will have a lot to say about it.
     
  22. Arkansas Paul

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    If they have a brain between them they'll toss this guy. At my range there is a meeting you attend before you're granted membership where they go over the rules of the range. They said there are only two instances they have ever kicked someone out of the club. One was for safety violations and one was intoxicated and out there shooting. Endangering a child's life out there would be grounds for dismissal at my club, and rightfully so.
     
  23. GrOuNd_ZeRo

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    I've had a guy go hot on a cold range but that has been the worst, worst I personnaly did when I was brand new to guns and went shooting with family, after I emptied the 30-30 levergun I spun it AROUND facing away from the range, they corrected me on the spot and I learned a lesson that I relearned in Basic training by proxy lol.

    Other shameful events were two ND's over the seven years I have been a gun owner and I learned a hard lesson twice too many.
     
  24. Certaindeaf

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    The worse thing I saw was a fellow shoot his revolver downrange while he was at the 25 and the other fifty or so were milling about at the seven.. it was a big competition. I was on the fifty but about seventy yards away (it was a fifty yard range).. my hand went to my gun ("hot" range) when I saw what I saw but thankfully nothing bad happened. Things happen. I have no idea what happened to this individual.
     
  25. leadcounsel

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    "Range Horror" - a bit of an over-reaction.

    Totally irresponsible, bordering on criminal endangerment, yes.

    I agree that this is not the type of person you want allowed on your range due to his lack of safe shooting practices.
     
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