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Devonai: Sorry to hear of your misfortune, hope everything works out for you.
Bad LEO encounter, need advice please
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12-34hom
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Brownie, Game - set - match....
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deanf: sometimes you don't mind giving a person a break. We all need it at times. When I use to do to vehicle stops, it finally boiled down to how the person was. If they cooperated and cleared warrants/registration, I'd usually let them go with a warning. If the driver was a jerk, cite came to mind.
Reminds me of one time of pulling over an Afro-American male. He was the model "driver" when it came to cooperation but his girlfriend was all mouth. Almost cited him because of her but decided not to. When I told him that I wasn't going to cite him, citing how he had cleared wants/warrants/registration & had cooperated 100%, I also added that I almost did because of her nagging. He turned around & told her to "shut up next time." It was worth not issuing the citation.
Mind you, every agency is different and some agencies want strict enforcement while others are more lax. Also depends on the assignment an officer/deputy gets (traffic enforcement).
Reminds me of one time of pulling over an Afro-American male. He was the model "driver" when it came to cooperation but his girlfriend was all mouth. Almost cited him because of her but decided not to. When I told him that I wasn't going to cite him, citing how he had cleared wants/warrants/registration & had cooperated 100%, I also added that I almost did because of her nagging. He turned around & told her to "shut up next time." It was worth not issuing the citation.
Mind you, every agency is different and some agencies want strict enforcement while others are more lax. Also depends on the assignment an officer/deputy gets (traffic enforcement).
Hint: If I had an Arabic name and did what I do, I'd be under FBI surveillance. I may be soon anyway, as I'm going to need them to approve a security clearance for me.
You can rest assured, however, that I don't get to go around throwing my weight around with members of the general population and don't get a badge and gun to boost my ego.
brownie0486
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You still have older cops on the forces out there who cuttheir teeth on the following:
Catch a kid doing something stupid, chew him a new one and send him on his way. Particularly remember some of the older guys who remembered when a bar fight was broken up by cops wailing the p**s out of them with the sticks, calling an ambulance and seeign the guy there the next weekend like nothing happened.
With the liability issues of non-feasance, mal-feasance in this PC world, they can no longer make those decisions as in the old days. They would lose their jobs today if they did, be sued by everyone who had a gripe and end up even more apathetic toward to job than they are now.
I'd rather getmy butt kicked than have a criminal record forever over a barfight myself. But hey, society wants everyone treated equal so everyone goes downtown now whether they deserve to or not. LE have to abide these rules or lose their job now. Any wonder why they do what they do and the public bitches?
Technically no POV would be used for stops. Usually they have wigs and blues in the grille if they are doing this often enough withtheir POV's. Which supervisor should he have taked to immediately? PD shift commander or his supervisor?
It's not okay to be rude. But rude is in the eyes of the beholder. Rude ws the word used by one defendant [ female ] who thought because I handed her the ticket and would not answer her questions that I was being so. In actually, I was not allowed to offer an opinion or give answers to questions other than to inform them they had been cited and why, that they had the right to appeal it within a certain timeframe and that the information on the back of the ticket was self explanatory.
Anything else and it could be used by a defendants atty later on in a hearing before the magistrate. So, being rude is relative and subjective at best.
Where else can you work where others will try to kill you or injure you for doing your job? There are pluses and minuses to every employment opportunity. Does anyone think that cops may just be human and are having a bad day as well? I know co-workers from several professions in the past who were rude and got away with it. The point?
Brownie
Catch a kid doing something stupid, chew him a new one and send him on his way. Particularly remember some of the older guys who remembered when a bar fight was broken up by cops wailing the p**s out of them with the sticks, calling an ambulance and seeign the guy there the next weekend like nothing happened.
With the liability issues of non-feasance, mal-feasance in this PC world, they can no longer make those decisions as in the old days. They would lose their jobs today if they did, be sued by everyone who had a gripe and end up even more apathetic toward to job than they are now.
I'd rather getmy butt kicked than have a criminal record forever over a barfight myself. But hey, society wants everyone treated equal so everyone goes downtown now whether they deserve to or not. LE have to abide these rules or lose their job now. Any wonder why they do what they do and the public bitches?
Technically no POV would be used for stops. Usually they have wigs and blues in the grille if they are doing this often enough withtheir POV's. Which supervisor should he have taked to immediately? PD shift commander or his supervisor?
It's not okay to be rude. But rude is in the eyes of the beholder. Rude ws the word used by one defendant [ female ] who thought because I handed her the ticket and would not answer her questions that I was being so. In actually, I was not allowed to offer an opinion or give answers to questions other than to inform them they had been cited and why, that they had the right to appeal it within a certain timeframe and that the information on the back of the ticket was self explanatory.
Anything else and it could be used by a defendants atty later on in a hearing before the magistrate. So, being rude is relative and subjective at best.
Where else can you work where others will try to kill you or injure you for doing your job? There are pluses and minuses to every employment opportunity. Does anyone think that cops may just be human and are having a bad day as well? I know co-workers from several professions in the past who were rude and got away with it. The point?
Brownie
7-11?
Bouncer, bank teller, repo man and many others come to mind.
Then they should choose not to enforce minor violations, etc. when in such mood and confine themselves to actual crimes like theft, property damage, rape, murder and assault rather than intimidate violators and other citizens.
brownie0486
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No, instead you get bosses that do the very same thing in almost all professions.
Guns and badges make ego boosters? Not to all of us. And therein lies the problem, you paint all cops with the same brush, and that shows your bias toward them in general instead of on a case by case basis.
Hope you don't get that clearance of yours, you may get an ego boost and become just like others you paint so easily. Hell, a security clearance? Isn't that a potential ego booster? Better watch out, you may become something you dislike in doing your job. Wonder if people will paint you the same way in their minds as well? How would you ever cope?
Brownie
Guns and badges make ego boosters? Not to all of us. And therein lies the problem, you paint all cops with the same brush, and that shows your bias toward them in general instead of on a case by case basis.
Hope you don't get that clearance of yours, you may get an ego boost and become just like others you paint so easily. Hell, a security clearance? Isn't that a potential ego booster? Better watch out, you may become something you dislike in doing your job. Wonder if people will paint you the same way in their minds as well? How would you ever cope?
Brownie
spacemanspiff
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stupid question time...... what does screeching tires have to do with attracting attention of a LEO? car pulls into a parking lot, parks, but screeched the tires making the turn. whats the big deal?
good luck finding new employment, and fighting this stupid ticket.
compared to the majority of posters, i've had extremely good encounters with LEO. i've been given four warnings, two for fail to stops, one for headlight that needed replacing, and one for speeding. i've had three minor tickets, and one major ticket. in all those encounters the officers have been nothing but professional.
good luck finding new employment, and fighting this stupid ticket.
compared to the majority of posters, i've had extremely good encounters with LEO. i've been given four warnings, two for fail to stops, one for headlight that needed replacing, and one for speeding. i've had three minor tickets, and one major ticket. in all those encounters the officers have been nothing but professional.
Orthonym
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Sounds to me that MA needs a law like the one we had in GA. I believe it said that one was NEVER required to stop for an unmarked police car, even if it had lights and siren going. As to squealing tires, my (nearly new) tires will do that on some of the cheap parking-lot surfaces around here, even at walking speed.
Why didn't the fellow just yell something like "I'm a policeman!"?
Why didn't the fellow just yell something like "I'm a policeman!"?
Edward429451
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Dang, you all been busy on this thread today.
Its still Us vs Them. Shame.
Biggest problem I got with threads of this nature is the same problem the cops have with me. Attitude. They say;
"We're not allowed to"
"Creative writing"
"Its the law"
Totally dodging any responsibility or individuality of thinking. Dangerous.
I really liked this one;
"They're not taking the answer"
Total superiority stance as if its a given.
Theres where my objectivity went to Brownie. Wiped out by the typical LEO attitude. You guys for the most part don't even try to see the citizens side of things and be reasonable, and yet, we're supposed to bow down to you guys orders and respect you on top of that!
I bet all you so called good guy cops on this board, pro RKBA and all that jazz, will jump right into the fray and start collecting weapons when the statement is made "Its the Law", wont you? You'll just say, 'Its the law' and shoot us down like dogs.
Get Bent.
Its still Us vs Them. Shame.
Biggest problem I got with threads of this nature is the same problem the cops have with me. Attitude. They say;
"We're not allowed to"
"Creative writing"
"Its the law"
Totally dodging any responsibility or individuality of thinking. Dangerous.
I really liked this one;
"They're not taking the answer"
Total superiority stance as if its a given.
Theres where my objectivity went to Brownie. Wiped out by the typical LEO attitude. You guys for the most part don't even try to see the citizens side of things and be reasonable, and yet, we're supposed to bow down to you guys orders and respect you on top of that!
I bet all you so called good guy cops on this board, pro RKBA and all that jazz, will jump right into the fray and start collecting weapons when the statement is made "Its the Law", wont you? You'll just say, 'Its the law' and shoot us down like dogs.
Get Bent.
TheeBadOne
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Gee, there's that broad paintbrush again, doing exactly what you accuse LEO's of doing.
Edward429451
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So if I stop painting with a broad brush, you'll stop holding yourself to be superior to the citizenry?
Intune
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Brownie said: "I'd spent the money to have an atty ask for the dept's policy [ through FOIA ] on leaving a paid detail. If they have a policy at all, it probably would work in your favor. You may find you don't need to go to court at all if he broke a written policy.
If it were me, I'd use that angle to nip this in the bud before any court action, and be on my way back to work sooner rather than later.
If it goes to court, make sure you have the atty ask the dept for their policies and procedures on details.
Brownie"
Thank you Brownie for seeing that this citizen has been wronged by this officer.
If it were me, I'd use that angle to nip this in the bud before any court action, and be on my way back to work sooner rather than later.
If it goes to court, make sure you have the atty ask the dept for their policies and procedures on details.
Brownie"
Thank you Brownie for seeing that this citizen has been wronged by this officer.
TheeBadOne
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Same paint, same JBT sterotyping...
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