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Bad news in Ca. AB 352 passed one comm.

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This bill is a nightmare. Already passed the so called "Public Safety Comm".
It covers micro stamping ID on all semi sidearms starting 2007. Next on to the
App Comm. The fights on again here in Corruptfornia. Ck out the link,
scroll a ways down..This bill is from the same guy who authored the 50 Cal
ban bill Conan signed.

Please ck it out. This is a serious bill which if passed will affect not on Cal, but will
move to other gun banishment states for their consideration..
http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml
 
Someone needs to sneak a line item into that bill banning alcohol. That ought to wake people up. If it is as hard to remove such an item as it is in the US congress the evening news could get a little more interesting.

"In tonights news, posession of alcohol is now a class A felony. Police place entire state under arrest." :neener:

Seriously, this crap needs to stop. :banghead:
 
How?

How do the idiots think they can engrave anything on the walls of a chamber that will reliably mark a case?
My suggestion is to get out of California, and bring the flag with you.
 
And would the last american to leave please turn off the lights?

Wouldn't want the mexicans to have to pay the power bill...
 
get out of California, and bring the flag with you.

ehhh, we shoulda done that with the south in 1860.

i just don't get it. i have been to 43 states. you guys are nuts. if you had any real sense, you all would pack up , move out here in droves, and change the laws.
heheh= or at least the other yanks would (i am from Ny).

anyway , that particular bill is pretty rough. are manufacturers capable of making a gun that does this?
ok some searching shows it is possible.
hmmm. 8*****************88

holy stupid unbelievable. even if it passes it's full of holes. hopefully these will be properly exploited and the law dropped.

ok sure it pretty much works, and they make exceptions , sport shooters, your home defense piece.
first- by gettnig id when selling ammo, this is all already done.
i know you guys hate that, but at least here , felons are prohibited from ammo , parts ,etc. so id makes sense, as does prohibitng sale of ammo to felon.

sure felon cant buy gun, just buy ammo, 3 pipes and a nail.

anyway, thats a whole other argument

point is this article below goes on to show (further in link), criminals could easily load their own. DUH.

i know i know any regulation at all you guys dont like, but most seem to think felons shouldnt be armed. if the method below was implemented, i cant see it costing THat much more, but ultimately its only going to affect regular people.

it would only solve very certain types of cases, where the suspects were obvious but gun was missing. husband/wife crimes, that sort of thing.
even then, law in place, MAYBE they dont do it, probably they use something else.



http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=6168
" The plan would require putting serial numbers on all handgun ammunition possessed in public, sold or imported into the state. To accommodate law-abiding sport shooters and those who reload their own cartridges, anyone on their way to or from a shooting range or hunting trip would be exempt. It's unclear how this provision would work, with supporters acknowledging that details on many aspects of the system need to be worked out.

The microstamping system under study was developed by a Washington state company, Ravensforge. The company engraves shell casings and bullets with a matching serial number. All of the cartridges in a box packaged for retail sale would have the same serial number, which could be scanned and linked to a purchaser's driver license number, Rossi said.

The state's more than 1,600 licensed firearms dealers already have the electronic equipment to record the information - scanning the code on the ammunition box and electronically swiping the driver license - in the same way they collect required personal information for gun transactions.

Rossi initially was skeptical that a bullet's number would be legible after it was fired.

A test of 200 rounds fired from close range into walls, car doors, bulletproof vests, rubber matting and a gel designed to simulate a human target convinced him the technology is sound.

Of 181 slugs recovered - including soft lead bullets that largely flattened out - the tiny code could be read on 180 of them with a simple electronic magnifying scope.

"We tried to prove this doesn't work," he said. "To have it work virtually every time, I was very surprised."
 
"i just don't get it. i have been to 43 states. you guys are nuts. if you had any real sense, you all would pack up , move out here in droves, and change the laws.
heheh= or at least the other yanks would (i am from Ny)."

That's right you don't get it. The problem is all the transplants that have come here. Especially the ones from NY. They brought all their east coast BS with them. Send Barbara Boxer back to Brooklyn. While your at it, send Nancy Pelosi back to Maryland. And that idiot SF Supervisor Gonzales back to Washington D.C. And that's just for starters. Wow, you really think that Yankees are going to fix California. You are the ones that are the problem!

Steve
 
Passing all these bills and enforcing it are two different things. I'd like to see what will happen in 2007 when there are no handguns that are submitted to California because this "microscopic fingerprinting" doesn't exist or is not economically feasible.

Wonder how many lawsuits will hit the Cali legislature. I liken this to war. A country can capture all the enemy's land he wants. The true battle will be keeping it. And frankly, I think the anti-gunners in Cali have bitten off more than they can swallow. And in the mean time, they are alienating a lot of middle liners. Won't be long before it comes back and bites them.


Pet Peeve: PLEASE STOP TELLING US CALI PEOPLE TO PICK UP AND RUN. WE HAVE FAMILY, FRIENDS AND STRONG ROOTS HERE. WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR YOUR CRAP ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS. WE ALREADY KNOW. WE ARE WORKING ON IT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY. SHUT THE HELL UP. YOUR NOT HELPING.....Seriously, please stop. speaking for myself, I love firearms, but I love my family more. Picking up and moving is not an option. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this predictment.
 
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I'm with 50.
How about youse guys come here and help us change the system from within instead of just complaining about it. All we need is a couple-o-million votes...
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You guys can keep Boxer over there.... :uhoh: god knows we have enough on our hands with chuck and hill...
 
Hmm... lets see if this is feasible. We need to put a unique seiral number number on every cartridge. Hell, let's be nice, we'll only make them mark each box uniquely, meaning every shell in the box will be marked. Suppose there are 10 million people in CA who own guns. Everyone who buys a gun needs at least a box of ammo for it, right? Okay, so we have a minimum now of 10M boxes of ammo floating aroudn in CA. That' 10,000,000. Say, on average, each person who owns a gun buys ON AVERAGE, 10 boxes of ammo per year per gun. Some will be much more, some will be much less. That's 100,000,000 boxes of ammo per year. Now, lets make the serials stay unique for at least 10 years. That's 1,000,000,000 boxes of ammo. One BILLION. As in 10 digits. I want to see someone put ten digits on both a case and the bullet, in a font size that be both be reliably read and will not be destroyed by simply cycling the action of the gun.

I have a better idea. Lets market a gun, with a sealed chamber, and one live round in the chamber. We'll put a little PC inside, running Windows CE. When you pull the trigger, a little box will pop up on the screen - "are you sure you want to fire this gun?!" (yes/no/cancel). Carefully use the supplied trackball over the yes button, click once, and wait for it to connect with the database for these weapons to make sure this particular gun wasn't registered as stolen. After that check is complete, we take a picutre with a small camera mounted under the barrel, and send it to a human operator at a terminal in India. They can decide if the situation is life threatening, and if so, press a button which will allow the weapon to fire.

Obviously, our 2A "rights" are not infringed yet, becuase we still have "guns", right? Right?

Morons.
 
ehhh, we shoulda done that with the south in 1860.
Thorn I agree with you 100%, and it's still not to late :D come and get your flag and be sure to take all your kin with you when you go back :neener:
My grandmother had a name for people who like to "Help" she called them
busy bodies
mike1966ga
American by birth
Southern by the grace of God
 
I'm with mike1966ga. I wouldn't live in California if the north had stayed out of the South. They trashed the part where my people lived so bad that we had to go West. So they followed us out here & screwed it up too!

That would be great if they came and took their flag. I'd be back so fast!!
 
I'm a fellow Californian, but luckily I'm still young enough to pack up and leave. It's either Arizona or Oregon for me, as soon as possible.
 
Gotta build that wall at the AZ/Cali border...Calirefugees are flooding in, and bringing thier ideas with them. Pima and Maricopa counties are Democrat now...GAH!
In deference to the obviolusy ruffled feathers here, I will not A) invite you to leave, B) tell you to vote the suckers out, C) tell you it's your fault FOR electing them, or D) any other divisive or insulting lingo, but simply wish you best of luck, and hope for the best. I am going to price military style rifles and high capacity magazines that I can legally carry openly with no permit or license, today....
 
I haven't been here all that long, and I brought most of my guns with me, so I guess I don't count.

But I've lived all over. Indiana, Tennessee, Michigan, Florida, North Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama, and now California.

Here's what I like about this place: 1) Within a two + hour drive I am either at a) Lake Tahoe b) the ocean c) Yosemite d) the Sierras.

2) The food is unbelievable. I had never actually had real Mexican food till I moved here. (Sorry, Taco Bell ain't Mexican.)

3) The weather is spectacular. A cold winter for us is down in the fortys. (Not like our beloved whiteouts in MI, huh?) Summer is hot, but it's a dry heat.

4) No smoking in businesses or restaurants. Sorry smokers, your habit irritates me.

What I don't like about it: 1) Real estate prices are inflated, but are going to come crashing down in the next 12 to 20 months. 2) It's crowded here. 3) The gun laws.

I predict this bill will fail. If it does not, it will simply mean gun manufacturers will no longer import into California. That's what the socialist politicians want, anyway. They want their bodyguards to be armed, but nobody else.
IIRC, Boxer and FeinSwine both have CCWs.
 
You would not need to put s/n on each cartridge. You could put the s/n on the inside of the chamber or cylinder and when the cartridge is fired the s/n would imprint itself. Or am I way off base with this line of thought.
 
I am going to price military style rifles and high capacity magazines that I can legally carry openly with no permit or license, today....
Damn you....damn you to hell..... :fire: :D

Armored,
Pima has always been Democrat. Maricopa county has been onthe edge for a while...lots of Democrat mayors, if I remember correctly. And usually they got things done (note to fellow Californians, a Democrat in AZ is called a Extreme Right Wing Republican in CA). The new freeways in Phx for example. I have a lot of family in Phx and there is a lot of pull for me there.

However, P&R is SO right about how beautiful NorCal is. It really is hard to leave. So instead of running away, let's unelect the bastards who keep bringing us down...
 
All the fun stuff is illegal in Kalifornistan. No machineguns, no suppressors, no evil AY-ssault weapons (otherwise known as regular rifles and handguns), no ferrets, no prairie dogs. The only way I would take a job in the PRC is if I could telecommute from home, here in TX. :scrutiny:
 
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Some of us HAVE to stay here. In my case I'm taking care of my last parent who
will not or/and cannot leave due to medical problems. We've been here since
the early 40's and have seen many changes. Some good most bad. In recent
yrs very bad with Dems running the show. I'll stay and continue to do what
little I can to prevent total gun banishment here under the iron skirt of
Corruptfornia.. I won't be the only one, but I do have a feeling I and others
here will go on the endangered list sooner than later..

Remember what you saw here in Cal, don't let it happen to you still in the free states.. :(
 
Teachers union, nurses union and I'd say most all the unions are pretty much filling the airways with anti-Arnold BS.
He has attacked the sacred cows of entrenched Democrats in Sacremento. They have lotsa money from dues paying members and are spending tons on the radio and I suspect TV ads.

Cloud the issues, confuse the public, scream louder about the children's health and well being. This is the dems best tool. Scare the hell out of the constituents.

Redistricting would be helpful to get these yahoo's out of office. Most of the people on this board are aware of the issues, we are the choir. Preaching must be done elsewhere rather than to each other on this forum.

Credibility means nothing when there is power to be had.

When the ammo is serialized, there will be holes in the system IRT milsurp and bulk buys. They will eventually have to be controlled as will the reloading equipment. No out of state importation of ammo. Black powder firearms days are numbered.

I just found out friday that it is illegal to launch a "projectile" in my city limits. That means a BB gun, air rifle, sling shot, spud gun and pea shooter or paintball gun/marker. I can no longer shoot my Red Ryder or .22 pellet gun in my back yard (130 ft. wide) without being a criminal.

We are all criminals, the laws are on the books just waiting to pounce on someone. One lawbreaker at a time to keep the judicial and corrections system afloat with annual budget increases.

Attacking guns is good for a political career in California.

Vick
 
holy stupid unbelievable. even if it passes it's full of holes. hopefully these will be properly exploited and the law dropped.

Stupidity has never been a barrier to the legislators of the People's Republic of California. They're just attempting to price firearms and ammunition completely out of the means of commoners—and I predict they'll succeed, too.
 
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