nettlle
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Not a fan of Hickok45. He is not a fan of gun owners but rather a fan of Hickok45. He is an advertisement and nothing more.
I’ve had a similar experience in the military. One of the things that got us out of a pretty bad jam with the crew served weapon was actually ram dry lube LOL so it’s easier to choices I would absolutely go with BallistolI can't speak to ballistol but can and enthusiastically speak against break free (BF).
Note that my experience is based upon high rate of fire and continuous usage in service weapons in the Army.
I WILL NOT TOUCH THE STUFF!
I try to only offer this opinion once or twice a year as it tends to draw out partisan arguments from the BF fans.
When we first started using it in the Army it was presented as the end-all-be-all supposedly replacing both CLP and RBC (Cleaner, Lubricant & Protector and Rifle Bore Cleaner). For my part - it sucks as a replacement for either.
You see, it leaves a noticeable residue that kept guns from passing the rigorous inspections of D.I.s and I.G.s (Drill Instructors & Inspectors General) at the time - so for cleaning - you had to also clean IT from the gun.
Strike one!
Strikes two through NINE and in fact the ultimate game ender was later finding that our guns could become what I call "addicted" to it in combat.
Here, one might have a well *cleaned* and lubricated gun and get into a dust-up. Upon a calm moment, one could find guns growing sticky (some actually slowing during firing!) if not outright locked up and all one could do was scramble for a bottle of BF - blast it in and work the action. Next round of excitement and calm and things only got worse.
Pitched every single bottle and started using POL (petroleum, oil & lubricants) from motor vehicles and never had a glitch.
Sure - it might be different now.
Sure, most of us are not in a position to expend out *basic-load* in short order.
I don't care - those experiences were highly unsettling and the product NEVER gets a second chance even if I'm safe and sound at a civilian range.
I would rather - and in fact have taken - the dipstick from a vehicle to get used motor oil on a gun over that BF garbage!
Todd.
My dad worked at APG, testing and breaking things back in the day (he authored BDAR manuals, mostly track related) and he was one of the test drivers of Breakfree to assess its viability.That's kinda funny. Given my above post about the stuff, it might be surprising to know that I have most of a gallon left that a friend had given me. Rather than be ungracious, I kept it.
It gets used on things like my old Cub Cadet lawn tractor, trailer shackles and the like.
Todd.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. Ballistol is good for leather and wood and is water soluble. Since it’s water soluble I have it in my head that it’s not a great lubricant. No idea why. But for cowboy type guns or blackpowder guns I use ballistol and/or moose milk, but I don’t usually use it on ARs or plastic fantastic pistols.Like ev780, I say "yes". I use both. Blackpowder? Ballistol. Wood stocked? Ballistol. Leather boots? Ballistol. Plastic sewing machine firearm? BreakFree CLP.
I use moose milk when shooting black powder on my Sharps rifle. I recycle it by collecting it in my Hornady sonic cleaner and throw in my AR bcg, and 1911 parts after a round of shooting. Moose milk works well with my sonic cleaner and gun parts.While we're on the topic of Ballistol-
Does anyone use moose milk to clean just regular guns (and then straight Ballistol for the final lube)? I know you need the water solvent to clean out corrosive residue, and everything I've read is that as it dries, the water part evaporates and leaves a film of Ballistol (preventing rust). I think most "good cleaning" is the mechanical action anyway, as brushes and swabs do a lot more than just hosing things off.
Seems like it would be an economical way to do things, as you're using the stuff in a 1:5 to 1:10 mix or thereabouts, and if you did it for every gun, doing corrosive stuff wouldn't even be out of the normal routine.
I'm a fan of any prominent public figures that are staunch supporters of 2A. He makes his living being a youtube gun guy and his reviews seem pretty neutral for the most part, what more can you ask of these people....Not a fan of Hickok45. He is not a fan of gun owners but rather a fan of Hickok45. He is an advertisement and nothing more.
I will never understand why folks join a community called The High Road and commence to trashing their fellow humans with irrelevant opprobrium.Not a fan of Hickok45. He is not a fan of gun owners but rather a fan of Hickok45. He is an advertisement and nothing more.
You see, it leaves a noticeable residue that kept guns from passing the rigorous inspections of D.I.s and I.G.s (Drill Instructors & Inspectors General) at the time - so for cleaning - you had to also clean IT from the gun.
Always happy to see someone find the positive in something in which I have a differing opinion. Brings a little *light* to one's darker views.Well, they have ridiculous ideas about what clean is & either don't understand or don't care that BF has surfactants in it that continue to loosen & float carbon to the surface as long as it is in place.
I can't speak to your other objections as my experience has been quite different.
I had bad luck with bore butter. It doesn't flow enough for my liking and I must have left some of the bore not covered enough and got some rust. The brown patch of shame at the next shoot!I have always used T/C Bore Butter on my blackpowder firearms. Clean them it in hot soapy water, hot water rinse, and then Bore Butter.
I had bad luck with bore butter. It doesn't flow enough for my liking and I must have left some of the bore not covered enough and got some rust. The brown patch of shame at the next shoot!