bear charge video

[paintballdude902]

this is video of a coastal bear hunt in alaska (crappy hunter) gets a brown bear takes him 2-3 shots then a sow with a cub or 2 comes over a ridge and charges the guides and his client

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZnsL7-UdGc&NR=1

i cant say much for the hunter but that is a guide i wouldnt mind hiring he saw the bear coming at them stood up yelled, waved and tried to make his presence know while the bear was at a decent range but it seamed to focus on him even more so when he did that so he did what any guide has to be prepared to do

 

[BFE]

Interesting at the least, the hunter was a poor shot this time which caused a second shot which missed and that's when the sow locked in. If he had not taken the second shot more then likely this would have played out better for the sow.

 

[ultradoc]

WOW. that is intence

 

[Mp7]

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bringing big firecrackers to throw at the charging bear would be a good idea.

Would have saved 2 animals.

And the hunters would have seemed smart instead of ...:banghead:

 

[Ruger]

yes i agree making a good shot on the boar the first time should of have happen at that close of a range. Also I think I would have fired a few guick shots over her head first or into the ground in front of her as soon has she made her intenstions known . But since these bears probably haven't had much contact with humans, It's hard to say what you would do if you were there instead of them ,as fast as it all happen who knows ???

 

[paintballdude902]

yeah but i still think that that is a good guide for how he handled it

 

[Dan Crocker]

I don't get it...they shot a charging bear. Big deal. It's not like bears live in Happy Paradise Land and die in their sleep of old age.

 

[rbernie]

bringing big firecrackers to throw at the charging bear would be a good idea.

Oh, dear lord - how do you propose to that hunter that he light said noisemakers, in a high wind, and throw them far enough to scare the bear before it's within contact distance? It'd take more time to pull them out and light them and throw them than was available during the entire encounter.

That is just a flat silly comment, likely spoken by someone who has never been exposed to dangerous game AT ALL.

This ain't hunting itty bitty roes by spotlight, ya know?

I think I would have fired a few guick shots over her head first or into the ground in front of her as soon has she made her intenstions known

Usually, just being obnoxious in presence is reportedly adequate. By the time that it was clear that the sow was not backing off, there was no distance left to fire 'noise-making' shots.

It's not like a bear is gonna know what a 'shot across the bow' means, anyway. If the yelling doesn't make it stand back and evaluate what this strange two-legged creature is, it's not likely that a gunshot noise will do much either.

That bear was charging - period. She was NOT gonna back down over NUTTIN', likely because she had a cub with her.

 

[WardenWolf]

Unfortunate, but that's the way it goes sometimes. They may have avoided it if they moved as soon as they saw her, but that would have also blinded them to her approach by putting them behind the hill. Getting charged by an enraged bear is not a pleasant situation, and they had big brass ones for handling it as calmly as they did.

 

[phoglund]

It does seem pretty obvious the guide had no choice but to shoot that sow. Doesn't mean it wasn't a bloody shame. She sure as heck didn't know what was going on and was just responding to defend her cub.

I don't think I'd ever hunt bears myself, I tend to just hunt what I can eat.


I can't agree with Mr. Crocker's assertion at all. If not living in paradise and dieing in your sleep of old age is the criteria for the right to live...there would be few humans exempt from getting shot down in the street at a whim.

It's simple, if you hunt large dangerous game, or where large dangerous predators are common, you may at times be forced to defend your life from said game/predators. Most likely by killing them. It comes with the territory. Mr. Crocker might note...Kansas isn't in that territory.

 

[testar77]

bringing big firecrackers to throw at the charging bear would be a good idea.

Yeah, real reliable in the high wind, and in case you didn't notice RAIN!!! I have to agree with rbernie on this one lol. If this theory gets around too much we'll have to start lookin for bear scat with firecrackers in it instead of bells and pepper spray!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Firecrackers.

Oh and since it was charging in the direction that 2 gunshots ALREADY came from, why do you think firecrackers would have all of a sudden scared it if the gunshots didn't?????????????



Toby

 

[blitzen]

Paintballdude,
maybe before you call someone a (crappy hunter) you should know something about what's going on. If you ever care to hunt brown bears in AK you will most likely be instructed by your guide to shoot untill your gun is empty or are told to stop shooting. Often times the guide will throw a few rounds in a bear for good measure. They are big tough animals that do not give up the ghost just because you shoot at em. All the shots at the boar looked good to me.

 

[bdg146]

Also I think I would have fired a few guick shots over her head first or into the ground in front of her as soon has she made her intenstions known

I have a feeling there's a difference between what you think you'd do and what you'd actually do. You don't exactly have time to think in that situation. Besides, wasting a bullet and requiring yourself to cycle the action for another round are two things that I definitely wouldn't want to do in that situation. The guide did all he could. Unfortunately, it didn't work.

I don't think I'd ever hunt bears myself, I tend to just hunt what I can eat.

Maybe grizzlies are different (never hunted them), but there's nothing wrong with eating a black bear

Oh, and if anyone wants to get a little fired up, spend some time reading the comments on YouTube. Ugh. My favorite is the person who essentially says their anti-hunting stance must be correct because they're college educated. Yet their post contains more incorrectly spelled words than correctly spelled words:

listen hillbilly boyz hunting4 thril or the adrenanel or 4 a so called sport is barbarik! you hav no business shooting this majestik animal in its natural habitat! humans do not hav2kill2survive anylongr so2me this is murder get ur thrills else wer so uncivilized! should b illigal! people talk about city boys not knowing anythnhg? wel im from the city colledge educated. Rational THINKING(POINTLESS!) A bear just living raising her cub. Immagine the terrorist just cumn&hunting kiling u in ur home!

 

[H&Hhunter]

this is video of a coastal bear hunt in alaska (crappy hunter) gets a brown bear takes him 2-3 shots

paintballdude902,

It is tough for me to remain "high road" when I read stuff like this. This guy is not a "crappy hunter". He killed that bear on the first shot the bear simply did as bears do when hit. Listen up guys, big game animals such as brown bear USUALLY do not go down on the first shot even if it is a fatal wound and a perfect shot as that was. Brown bears, cape buffalo, elephants and such are not fragile little critters like deer. They do not react to bullet "shock" at all and often do not even show a reaction to a fatal hit.

That first and second shot were perfect. Did anybody else notice that the first shot took that boar off of his feet and rolled him? That there is what we refer to in the hunting world as a clue.

bringing big firecrackers to throw at the charging bear would be a good idea.

MP7,

You need to stick to the internet and stay out of the wild. This advice might well save you life.

Interesting at the least, the hunter was a poor shot this time which caused a second shot which missed and that's when the sow locked in.

BFE,

He didn't miss either shot and both were perfect. What you saw was the bullet exiting the bear and hitting the water on the off side. Both times. That is to be expected when using a large powerful caliber with a well constructed bullet on brown bear at close range.

Also I think I would have fired a few guick shots over her head first or into the ground in front of her as soon has she made her intenstions known .

Ruger,

The guide is a master guide in the state of AK, he has been in that situation many times. He did EXACTLY what you are supposed to do when charged by a bear, get big wave your arms and shout. When that didn't work he resorted to his last ditch maneuver which was to keep himself and his clients safe his only choice at that point was to shoot the sow. He was cool as cucumber and did everything perfectly right. If she was scared of gun shots don't you think she would have run off when the initial gun fire occurred? When an animal locks on to you in a charge firing shot over their heads is simply a waste of precious and much needed ammunition. Sometimes ***** happens when hunting dangerous game.

I really do not understand what is so disturbing about this video. The only possible explanation is that we have a bunch of indoorsmen watching something they simply don't understand. Not only was that a brilliant piece of footage but the hunter and the guide handled it by the book, perfectly, legally, ethically and with extreme professionalism.

 

[FITASC666]

Armchair hunting

H&Hhunter

Great answers; this thread needs more gentlemen capable of sharing well presented argument and posting collected thoughts dispassionately.

Bdg146

Black bear is delicious, as is most game, when well prepared. However caution must be taken with North American bears when preparing meals as they are at hold with trichinellosis; a very invasive parasite.

 

[jmr40]

Without seeing where the bear was hit it is impossible to say if it was a bad shot or not. Some animals just do not want to go down, even with perfect shot placement. Others drop on the spot. I've had 100 lb whitetails travel over 100 yards with a 30-06 through both lungs.

The only bear I've taken was originally shot by my brother. Solid hit from a 308 at a range of about 150 yards but the bullet did not exit. The 260 lb. bear ran about 200 yards to a positon where I put a 2nd 30-06 bullet through it which exited. By now we had 3 holes in the lungs and it still ran another 50 yards before going down.

 

[PotatoJudge]

Looks okay to me. Anybody know how bears tend to act while charging? Is there anything to give away that they're not bluffing, or do they not ever bluff?

Laws aside, I wonder if I would have taken the cub at that point. I might be wrong, but it looked young enough that the PH essentially killed them both. At least you get a bit of meat and a small pelt out of it rather than letting it starve to death.

 

[blitzen]

You can tell by all the Bleeps that the guide was pizzed about having to shoot the sow. No one would want to do that. As for the cubs, they will likely become lunch for the next big boar who comes along. Nothing much dies of old age round here.

 

[H&Hhunter]

The only bear I've taken was originally shot by my brother. Solid hit from a 308 at a range of about 150 yards but the bullet did not exit. The 260 lb. bear ran about 200 yards to a positon where I put a 2nd 30-06 bullet through it which exited. By now we had 3 holes in the lungs and it still ran another 50 yards before going down.

jmr.

This is very typical with any bears and Brown bears are tougher and have even more resilience to bullets than black bears. If you notice the boar in the video only went about 30 yards before he took the second bullet. He was stone cold dead on the first round he just hadn't figured it out yet.

The last grizz kill I was involved in was way up in the Arctic. A buddy of mine and I were hunting caribou in unit 23 and we both had bear tags. He spotted a beautiful blond, golden tipped grizz feeding on a caribou carcass and we put a sneak on him. We got to about 70 yards and my buddy swatted him with his .338 shooting 250gr Swift A-Frames. He hit him quartering on and the bear spun twice and ran off. I swatted him twice more with my .375H&H shooting 270 gr Barnes X. We followed an immensely thick blood trail for about 500 yards where we found the dead boar. My buddies first shot took the bear just inside the on shoulder through the heart and was found in the off side hindquarter. My two shoots took the boar behind the ribs and into the lungs exiting behind the off shoulder.

Moral of the story? Bears can go a long way even with large caliber hole in their heart or and lungs.

Anybody know how bears tend to act while charging? Is there anything to give away that they're not bluffing, or do they not ever bluff?

Nobody can tell with certainty if a charge is a bluff or the real deal. My thoughts on this subject are simple. And whether it's bear or a cape buffalo, elephant, whatever, here is how I deal with it. If I've got time I'll always try to shout it down first. That is usually the end of it. If they get inside of my PCZ (personal comfort zone) I am going to shoot them. The distance of my PCZ depends on what kind of critter it is and how confident I am with my rifle and shooting at the time. A full time professional is going to have a different PCZ than I will because they have much more experience with the game they specialize in. I wouldn't have waited as long as that guide did. It was pretty obvious that bear was not screwing around. When an animal locks eyes with you it's usually a pretty good sign that negotiations have ceased.

What impressed me most about that whole scenario is that the professional hunter stepped up and took full responsibility for the safety and well being of his clients once the situation went bad. I'd hunt with that guy any day. He is a true professional and handled that charge with the calmness and grace that only comes from years of experience and a very rare personality type which allows one to remain calm under potentially deadly situations. Much same as the captain Sullen Berger demonstrated while ditching in the Hudson.

 

[paintballdude902]

i dont believe that the first shot was a good one on a bear that size it looked too far up and forward on the bear sure i dont have experience with bears as large as coastal grizlies but i am an avid black bear hunter and we have some of the largest black bears in the world (the record was shot less than 20 mins from my house) maybe his shot was affected by the strength of the wind or something else but i dont think i would have taken the shot he did i would have either picked a better spot on the animal or waited for it to present a better shot

 

[Dan Crocker]

Posted by phoglund: It comes with the territory. Mr. Crocker might note...Kansas isn't in that territory.

Kansas isn't. I've hunted the most dangerous game possible in the Middle East and Central Asia.
The main point I'm going for here is that everything dies, so I don't see it as something to cry about that they shot the sow. They didn't do it for fun or make light of it, they did it to survive. I know that the sow was just defending her cub, but things happen. It's just the way it is.

 

[H&Hhunter]

i dont believe that the first shot was a good one on a bear that size it looked too far up and forward on the bear

paintballdude902,

Did you notice that when the hunter took the second shot that the bear was standing still? After the initial shot that bear moved for 11 seconds before stopping lightly wounded, poorly shot bears generally don't do that. That bear was getting ready fall over. The first shot was right on the money the second shot was too. That was very quick kill for a body shot on a brown bear.

 

[paintballdude902]

i guess it seamed to me that that first shot hit the very upper shoulder area of the bear the second shot was the money shot in my eyes but i think that the bear sropped too soon after the second shot for it to have been the fatal one

i agree that bears dont stop fast with a body shot but idk something just looked fishy about where he hit the bear an area i would never shoot a bear at

 

[mbt2001]

In Alaska you have to hunt bears with a guide, there are some exemptions, but I believe that is the basic rule. The rule is there to protect the hunter and the bears. Unfortunately, they did all that could have been done given the situation. A momma grizzly doesn't ask questions, she doesn't get deterred. She mauls and leaves. The other alternative to what they did, which may not have been possible due to the wind / rain is bear pepper spray, but most likely the hunters had the wind in their face to aid in stalking, so I think the only thing that could have been done was done. Lucky they got it on video or a warden would be seriously P.O.d

 

[Leaky Waders]

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