HorseSoldier
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Too many entirely unimpressive experiences with military issue M9s on the one hand and too much exemplary performance from my personally owned P-01 and SP-01.
CZ-75 for me, no doubt about it.
CZ-75 for me, no doubt about it.
Beretta 92 or CZ-75 - if you could have only one?
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RNB65
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CZ for me! Love my SP01.
wally
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Love the Beretta's looks, but hate DA/SA operation. No contest I'd take the CZ75B.
Now, if it was between the CZ75B and the Taurus PT-92/99 I'd still be agonizing. Fortunately, I could afford both for my collection.
--wally.
Now, if it was between the CZ75B and the Taurus PT-92/99 I'd still be agonizing. Fortunately, I could afford both for my collection.
--wally.
GroovedG19
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Mike mine the handsome classic M9/92FS Beretta.
Have both and like them a lot!!
My two most accurate and favorite range pistols. I've fine tuned both pistols, ,the CZ-75b SA with anatomic grips fits me a bit better but my 92fs inox is made with much more attention to detail. It has an extremely smooth action and trigger pull.
I've owned quite a few nice pistols. The 92fs is more accurate than anything I've owned but the CZ is a reasonably close second. If I had to choose one (especially for protection) I'd choose the 92fs. My Beretta's have been 100% reliable, my CZ's have had some hiccups but I love em as an everyday target shooter!
Joker
My two most accurate and favorite range pistols. I've fine tuned both pistols, ,the CZ-75b SA with anatomic grips fits me a bit better but my 92fs inox is made with much more attention to detail. It has an extremely smooth action and trigger pull.
I've owned quite a few nice pistols. The 92fs is more accurate than anything I've owned but the CZ is a reasonably close second. If I had to choose one (especially for protection) I'd choose the 92fs. My Beretta's have been 100% reliable, my CZ's have had some hiccups but I love em as an everyday target shooter!
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rbernie
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I have both. I would choose the CZ75B over the 92F based solely upon its more-flexible ergonomics.
MT GUNNY
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Beretta Inox Brig!
My opinion is bias cuz idont have a cz, Prolly never will unless they make
somthing that catches my eye..
My opinion is bias cuz idont have a cz, Prolly never will unless they make
somthing that catches my eye..
rbernie
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FWIW - I buy MecGars, and they cost the same for both platforms ($20/ea).
TokyoShapiro
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hard choice. cz over beretta.
Ninja42
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tedburns said:
A CZ-85b is a completelly ambidexterious version of the CZ-75b, and the new stainless CZ-75b has an ambidexterious safety. There went your excuse, now join the dark side
I would choose a stainless CZ-75b, because it is is super reliable, accurate, all steel, beautiful, and it fit my hands better than any other gun I have ever shot.
CZ uber alles!
EDIT: I have noticed that the CZ are generally more popular amongst shooters than the Beretta, and as it is also cheaper than the Beretta it makes me wonder why the US army did not choose it as their new 9mm sidearm. Where in the tests did the CZ fall short?
armoredman
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That's true, Tecolote, the 92 we had on the rental range failed many more times than the CZ did. But I try not to hold that against it. I do hear a lot about M9 failures, but I do believe a bunch of those are magazine related failures, from a purchase order of cheaper aftermarket mags by Uncle Sam, but I don't have any specifics.
Ninja42, I don't believe CZ was invited - the company didn't exist as CZ-UB when the Pizza Pistol was chosen - IIRC, Czechslovakia was still a communist country when the trials were going on, or am I wrong?
Would be nice for them to try again, wouldn't it, but there would be a great many more contenders.
Ninja42, I don't believe CZ was invited - the company didn't exist as CZ-UB when the Pizza Pistol was chosen - IIRC, Czechslovakia was still a communist country when the trials were going on, or am I wrong?
Would be nice for them to try again, wouldn't it, but there would be a great many more contenders.
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I thought that the P-01 passed the army's tests with flying colors recently?
armoredman
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PO1 passed all NATO torture tests, actually more rigorous than the US Army's testing, IIRC. I do have to say I believe Berretta also passed those tests, but I haven't seen that for sure.
Ninja42
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I checked myself, Czechslovakia became a democracy in 1989, a few years too late to have had a gun in the pistol trials. Some times I forget about the whole iron curtain thing.
highrider
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Have both. Would choose the Beretta.
DirksterG30
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I'd go with the CZ-75 hands down. I find the CZ has far superior ergonomics (including no backwards safety), and my CZ's have been very reliable as well.
Master Blaster
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I owned a Beretta Inox 92, I also Own a cz85.
I still own the 85, the Inox I sold a couple years ago.
I could never get the beretta to shoot accurately, it absolutely despised hardcast lead bullets which would keyhole and strike the target sideways after 20 rounds. I called Beretta, and they told me "NEVER SHOOT LEAD BULLETS IN A 92FS EVER. The rifling in the 92 is designed to shoot jacketed bullets ONLY"
It didnt shoot well with jacketed bullets either 10" patterns were the norm at 50 feet.
My CZ85 is very accurate and shoots either lead or jacketed right to point of aim.
I still own the 85, the Inox I sold a couple years ago.
I could never get the beretta to shoot accurately, it absolutely despised hardcast lead bullets which would keyhole and strike the target sideways after 20 rounds. I called Beretta, and they told me "NEVER SHOOT LEAD BULLETS IN A 92FS EVER. The rifling in the 92 is designed to shoot jacketed bullets ONLY"
It didnt shoot well with jacketed bullets either 10" patterns were the norm at 50 feet.
My CZ85 is very accurate and shoots either lead or jacketed right to point of aim.
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armoredman,
Every CZ I've handled has been ammo finicky, but Berettas will chug through everything. Both need to be kept clean and lubed to function optimally. A lot of the problems with the M9 are mag related. I wonder how well CZs would do with crappy mags?
Beretta and CZ have legions of fans because they're both excellent. There's no reason not to get both.
MasterBlaster,
Sounds like your Beretta needed a trip to BerettaUSA. All the ones that I've tried have been tack drivers. None exhibited the poor accuracy that you experienced.
Every CZ I've handled has been ammo finicky, but Berettas will chug through everything. Both need to be kept clean and lubed to function optimally. A lot of the problems with the M9 are mag related. I wonder how well CZs would do with crappy mags?
Beretta and CZ have legions of fans because they're both excellent. There's no reason not to get both.
MasterBlaster,
Sounds like your Beretta needed a trip to BerettaUSA. All the ones that I've tried have been tack drivers. None exhibited the poor accuracy that you experienced.
Tecolote,
Sorry your experience with CZ has been less than stellar. I have five CZ-75's (or variant thereof) and they are all very reliable. I've had a few FTF issues using el-cheapo aftermarket mags, but that's not critical when I'm at the range. They are purely range magazines for that reason. Using factory mags or Mec-Gar I don't think I've ever had a failure of any kind. That's why people say "use only factory or Mec-Gar magazines!"
Another vote for CZ.
Sorry your experience with CZ has been less than stellar. I have five CZ-75's (or variant thereof) and they are all very reliable. I've had a few FTF issues using el-cheapo aftermarket mags, but that's not critical when I'm at the range. They are purely range magazines for that reason. Using factory mags or Mec-Gar I don't think I've ever had a failure of any kind. That's why people say "use only factory or Mec-Gar magazines!"
Another vote for CZ.
armoredman
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Sorry, Tec, I got a little tounge in cheek there. I did say the aftermarket mags were a source of M9 problems. Crappy mags? Easy - try ProMag, couldn't get several to work in my old CZ75 Compact. I use factory or MecGar, work great, no issues ever.
The only reason to not get both is money. Otherwise I wouldn't mind having a 92 for a range pistol.
I did say the aftermarket mags were a source of M9 problems. Crappy mags? Easy - try ProMag, couldn't get several to work in my old CZ75 Compact. I use factory or MecGar, work great, no issues ever.The only reason to not get both is money. Otherwise I wouldn't mind having a 92 for a range pistol.
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