Beretta 92 Quality

[Surefire]

What is the state of the Beretta 92 quality?

I recall threads about the new 92s having lots of plastic parts...does this affect durability?

My only Beretta is a Cheetah 85, which I like very much. I was considering a full sized version in 9mm....I like the looks of the 92, including the open top design.

However, I've been a Sig shooter most of my shooting career. Are the newer 92s close to Sig in quality?

 

[varoadking]

Are the newer 92s close to Sig in quality?

LMAO....no, not hardly...

 

[gudel]

bought two nib sigs, two nib berettas. both sigs went back to factory.

can't wait to see the dummy who's gonna post beretta has plastic hammer... in 3...2...1

 

[Redhat]

The M92 and the SiG 226 both went through quite a torture test during military acceptance trials. So with that in mind I wouldn't worry about the durability factor. The M92 does not have any plastic parts except the grip panels.

 

[Shipwreck]

Some of the parts have been changed from metal to plastic recently, but it's not really a big deal. Many guns now have plastic guiderods. And, I have yet to see anyone w/ the plastic guiderod in their 92 report a failure. I think the trigger is metal, covered in polymer. And, there may be a couple of other parts.

I had a 92FS for many years. I would not worry about quality.

Get 1 now. The standard design is being discontinued soon. The Inox models (stainless) already have.

Beretta is coming out w/ a new design this year.

 

[Redhat]

Shipwreck,

The plastic guide rod...is that on the M92 only? I have never seen one on a military M9.

 

[SRFL]

My current duty weapon is a SIG P229 in .40 S&W. Prior to that, it was a SIG P228. At the time I was carrying the P228 my sole two personal handguns were a Browning HP Mark II and a Beretta 92F Compact. Had I been given a choice, I would have carried the Beretta....it fit my hand much better, I like semi-autos with manual safeties, (in my hands) the Beretta was more accurate (but not by much) and the trigger pulls were fantastic.

I still own that Beretta. I since installed a "D" mainspring making the excellent trigger pulls even better. I now own six more Beretta in addition to the Compact, including two Cougars. Each one is a fantastic shooter, accurate, and reliable.

I think the quality of Berettas equals the SIG.

 

[Surefire]

Get 1 now. The standard design is being discontinued soon. The Inox models (stainless) already have.

Beretta is coming out w/ a new design this year.

Thanks for the warning.

I want one even more now, if the standard design is being discontinued.

What is it being replaced with?

 

[SRFL]

The 90-Two which is essentially a 92FS with a light rail and interchangeable grips. It will also have an interesting polymer rail cover.

The Px4 will also be a "mainstay" product for Beretta.

I think Beretta's biggest mistake was to eliminate every compact 9mm to .45 ACP gun and Vertec in their inventory.

According to posts made by Beretta USA reps over on the Beretta Forum, the Inox and 96 (.40 S&W) guns are going bye-bye, but the the 92FS and M9 guns in black Bruniton finish will remain in the inventory.

 

[Black Majik]

Berettas are quality guns, you just gotta get an older model with all metal parts and if you can, straight dustcover. I personally feel Beretta is going in the wrong direction. The prices are going up, but the quality is going down. Of course, the 92/96FS with plastic parts will still most likely work, its all mainly a preference issue. The plastic parts (except the guide rod) are all metal that are polymer coated.

But quite honestly, IMO, new Berettas

 

[Scott77]

I also think the 92fs is a fine handgun . I remember reading a test some guy did . He shot almost 20,000 if i remember correctly . He used many boxes of
+p and even +p+ and it held up until about 19,000 + then the locking block broke . But thats still pretty good considering the type of ammo he put threw.
Seemed the only fix needed was a new locking block .

 

[Murphster]

I traded for one a month or so ago and have been completely pleased with it. 100% reliable, accurate, great fit and finish, and a decent trigger. I don't have huge hands and had initial worries about the grip size, but mine fits my hand just fine, thanks. Here's some info that should answer a lot of your questions.

http://beretta.squawk.com/armorer.html

 

[Shipwreck]

Actually, Black Majik, from what I have seen, the prices of the 92's have come down recently. I heard that Beretta lowered their wholesale price a while back. And, while gun stores may not be reflecting this, I have seen the guns on sale at gun shows for as low as $440 new now (w/ an avg price of $450).

 

[Ohen Cepel]

I think the 92 is a good pistol. I have seen 1000's of rounds put out of them and except for bad mags or limp-wristing I never saw any failures of any kind.

Didn't know the Vertec was going away, I liked that design and that it took all the mags I already had.

 

[Big Mike]

What is the state of the Beretta 92 quality?

Quite good. Beretta, even when replacing some parts with non-metal replacements, is about as durable as a 9mm automatic can get. I think any difference in "quality" between Beretta and Sig in a full size 9mm is subjective. Either are competent pistols. What fits your hand better?

 

[Surefire]

Both fit my hand well.

I'm going to rent a Beretta 92 or 96 at the range today, and compare them against my Sigs to get an idea.

I already love my Beretta Cheetah, but its not fair to compare that to my Sigs since it is a .380 blowback.

 

[Surefire]

Quick question, does the 96 have a stronger frame to make up for the .40 chambering? Does the 96 model have the same life expectancy of the 92 model?

 

[Black Majik]

Actually, Black Majik, from what I have seen, the prices of the 92's have come down recently. I heard that Beretta lowered their wholesale price a while back. And, while gun stores may not be reflecting this, I have seen the guns on sale at gun shows for as low as $440 new now (w/ an avg price of $450).

Oh wow, my mistake. That is a considerable drop in prices. I'll admit that it has been a while since I last looked at the Beretta 92/96 prices, but last I checked was climbing towards low $600's. Inoxs & Brigadiers were mid $600. Of course these were California prices.

But I'm glad to see prices have gone back down for us consumers

 

[Onmilo]

That plastic guide rod is how I came to buy my M9 Beretta.
A group was sent to the Military and failed certification inspection because of the plastic guide rods.
The guns were then sold on the commercial market.
I replaced the guide rod on mine and that was that.

 

[Surefire]

I rented a 92 FS Brigadier at the range today and compared it to my Sig P226.

I'm impressed, to put it mildly. The Beretta had a smoother double action trigger than my P226. The Beretta has a good single action trigger (not as good as the Sig SA trigger though). I grouped well with the Beretta, but clearly grouped much better with my Sig. The slide action is also smoother on the Beretta, maybe from being shot so much?

What impresses me the most is how comfortable the Beretta is. Felt recoil is noticably less snappy than on the Sig. I was able to get more shots off quicker with the Beretta. I also like the fact that it is so easy to clear jams with the open top slide, should a jam occur.

Clearly, as a range / target gun, the Sig wins due to better accuracy in my hands. Having said this, I think the Beretta is a little easier to use as a duty gun, especially if the need arises to clear a malfunction. My fingers simply cannot fit into the Sig ejection port, and I have experienced jams on other guns (especially Glocks) where I needed to remove the jam through the port.

Finally, a question: what sets the Brigadier apart from a normal Beretta 92?

 

[dsk]

The Brigadier has the beefed-up slide, to help sideline fears among those who still think the standard slide is going to break in their face.

I have to go with the crowd that thinks the earlier Berettas are made better. I also dislike the plastic parts and the ugly tapered dust cover. Sad to see that Beretta, SIG, and just about everyone else is dropping most of their non-rail handguns from the market. Nothing like losing concealability just to have a feature I will never use.

 

[Scott77]

The Brigadier if iam correct has a more heavy slide . Aside from that it's the same gun . Personally i think the regular 92 is just as good. I too like the 92fs
more in some ways than the Sig 226 . But i will admit the 226 shoots so accurate it's great . But overal i still prefer the 92 it's more smooth .

 

[Logan5]

I have a 226 and a 92SB, and in the end, it's a matter of what fits your hand better in terms of results. My 92SB is actually an ex State Police gun, (sold them off when they switched to the Sig, actually) and it's just a different design philosophy. It's a personal preference issue.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally Posted by:dsk
The Brigadier has the beefed-up slide, to help sideline fears among those who still think the standard slide is going to break in their face.

I have to go with the crowd that thinks the earlier Berettas are made better. I also dislike the plastic parts and the ugly tapered dust cover. Sad to see that Beretta, SIG, and just about everyone else is dropping most of their non-rail handguns from the market. Nothing like losing concealability just to have a feature I will never use.

I also think the sights are not "built" into the slide. The are MUCH easier to change. The regular ones are a huge PITA due to them being "part" of the frame. THis is all my speculation and trying to remember odd facts so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Surefire]

Could someone please confirm if the Brigadier has the better sight system? I might order one tomorrow, and I prefer the easier to change sights mentioned above.


Has the Brigadier been discontined yet BTW?