Beretta 92FS/M9 owners - help needed.

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I was looking at a 92FS/M9 in a gun shop today. HOw can I tell the difference between a M9A1 and a regular 92FS. THe slide had both M9A1 and 92FS on it. It was stock # JS92M9A1M. Also, this model had the warning and read user manual on the slide/frame. I though the M9A1 did not have this. It was a railed version. Anyone know what exactly I was looking at. Oh, and the box it came in looked like this:


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Thanks everyone.
 
Go to this page, on berettaforum.net:

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/faq.php?faq=bf_faq_bhandguns#faq_bf_faq_bh_diff

It explains the differences between US made and Italian made Beretta 92s and the M9, but I don't think it covers the M9A1, which is what you're looking for, I believe.

From what I've seen, the only differences between the M9/92FS and the new M9A1 is that the A1 has a rail integrated into the dust cover and checkering on the front and back strap areas instead of the classic straight lines on those areas like the 92/M9. The gun in the picture you posted is not an M9A1, but a US made M9. The only cosmetic/visual difference between the gun in your picture and a 92FS is that the M9 has a straight dust cover and the 92FS has a tapered dust cover that gets slightly smaller as it goes from the trigger guard toward the barrel.
 
The picture is not the gun at the gun shop

Your original post is a little confusing, because the picture is not the JS92M9A1M pistol in the store, is it?

The picture is just to show us what the box looks like, not the gun.

The 92FS has a subtly tapered dust cover at the muzzle, like oregonjohnny said.

The M1A1 is just as johnny said. The slide is the same for both 92FS and M9A1, but the A1 has a rail on the frame.

The M9 copy does not have the 92FS tapered dust cover.
 
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Of the three you mentioned, M9, M9A1, and 92FS it depends what you want.
If you want a rail, well choice is simple, M9A1.

The differences between the M9 and 92 FS are minimal, go for thye better price.

To me the biggest difference is the sights. The M9 has a dot the I (like the military model), the 92FS stanadrda three dot sights.

I know there are other differences (straight vs slanted dust cover, military markings) but other then that, not much of a functional difference.
 
No difference: Function, reliability, maintenance, parts.

You choose based on: Price, sights, rail, coolness.

It surprised the heck out of me when I started shooting the Beretta better than my other pistols in IPSC Production competition. But after shooting it a year I realized that it's the relative placement of the trigger on the first shot (first shot is double action, all follow up shots are single action until you decock). Trigger can't be changed easily on Glock, S&W, XD, etc. But it can be changed on a 1911 easily, so that's my next step because the grip angle of the 1911 works better for me.

Nevertheless, the Beretta was an excellent shooter and totally completely reliable in every possible way. I reduced the double action trigger pull by replacing the hammer spring (the one in the grip) with an 18 pound mainspring from a 1911. It makes a remarkable difference.
 
To make things more confusing, the 92FS didn't always have the tapered dust cover. For many years, they had a straight dust cover just like the M9 in the photo. So, if it's a recently made 92FS, you can tell it apart from an M9 just by looking at the dust cover. If it's an older 92, you'd have to pick it up and check out the sights to tell it apart from an M9.

When it comes down to it, it's all about personal preferences. I prefer 3-dot sights like the 92FS sights. But to be honest, I just wanted a classic Italian Beretta 92FS, for the heck of it. I looked around for a while until I found an Italian made 92FS, when there were plenty of US made 92s and M9s. Surprisingly, the Italian gun at this particular shop was the same price as all the other US made guns. I swept it up, NIB, everything included, for $499.

Some hate the 92/M9. It has received a lot of unfair bad press over the years for a few reasons, all of them to do with the military. Although it won the military pistol trials back in the 80's, (along with a Sig Sauer) it had initial problems that were quickly fixed. From Wikipedia:

"Prior to its widespread adoption by the U.S. military, questions were raised in a General Accounting Office report after an incident where a slide failure on a Beretta 92SB caused injuries to Naval Special Warfare personnel[3] and more failures were later observed in additional testing. These failures included both military and civilian Beretta models with very high round counts and after investigation they were deemed the result of ammunition supplied by the U.S. Army which exceeded the recommended pressures specified by NATO and by Beretta, but nonetheless provoked a modification in the M9 design to prevent slide failure from causing injuries."

More recently, the reliability of M9s in Iraq has been questioned, but it turns out it's due to low-quality magazines contracted by the government. Again, from Wikipedia:

"The U.S. military has been criticized for not purchasing magazines from Beretta. In 2006, the military awarded a contract to Airtronic USA due to the previous manufacturer, Check-Mate Industries, charging too much per magazine[4], though Check-Mate magazines are still sometimes issued. Check-Mate magazines have been shown to have severe problems with reliability. Prior to Check-Mate magazines being purchased, the military purchased magazines from Mec-Gar. Because Mec-Gar magazines had the least problems, some troops issued the M9 buy their own Mec-Gar magazines."

And finally, the 3rd complaint seems to come from soldiers disappointed in the capabilities of the 9mm NATO round itself, nothing to do with the actual Beretta firearm. But all these issues have, unfairly in my opinion, given the M9 a somewhat bad reputation in some circles.

I have nothing but great things to say about the 92/M9 and if you like the way it feels in your hand, buy it. It will never let you down.
 
Nothing wrong with the 92FS. All models have pluses and minuses. The potential slide issue was resolved 20 years ago. Nothing ever dies on the Internet. It's like someone claiming all Hondas are junk because 20 years ago they got a flat tire.
 
The 92 FS has standard 3-dot sights. The M-9 models have the pumpkin on the post deal. Over/Under? Dot the i? 2-dot? Anyway, whichever sights you shoot most comfortably with would influence my decision as well as how important mounting an accessory would be?
 
i don't know if this is right or not but i believe some of these pistols had plastic guide rods and some were steal. for what its worth i use an m9 at work and don't care for it much
 
All the current Beretta 92FS/M9 - military and commercial - use a plastic guide rod. It makes no difference since the only purpose of the guide rod is to keep the spring in line.
 
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