Best 10-20 year pure investment

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Hopefully we all have our long term plans in place. I have most of it in IRA/401K type stuff but have also started to acccumulate some outside those type of accounts. I am thinking of taking a small percentage of the money and buying guns that should appreciate over the next 10-20 years. Before anyone freaks out on me...this is a very small percentage of my overall plan and I am Ok with the knowledge that it is not the best of all investments possibly.

i am willing to not shoot them.

I am willing to spend about $10-20K.

What handguns and long guns would you buy? I am leaning toward stuff that is around 30 yras old, unfired but not yet considered high end collectable. Examples: Ruger Security Sixes, Smith P & R revolvers...just sarting to plan this out. Any thoughts?
 
Perhaps Class III firearms? IF the laws stay the same you're dealing with a fixed supply market and I expect increasing levels of demand as more folks realize that a Class III license means they can actually own automatic weapons. Fixed supply + Increasing demand = Appreciating Value.

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Guns are not so hot investments.

I bought a 1954 BAR in 1985 for just over $4000.

Today it has gained $28,000 in additional value.

That's 22 years, roughly 10% per annum growth. Not bad but not great especially given the economy during some of those 22 years.

Also keep in mind that the original principal, $4000, is worth about $7-8,000 in today's value of the dollar so it's diluted more by that.

That same $4000 in Wal Mart or Microsoft or Cisco stock....... well I'd have more than one BAR let's just say that.

Buy guns for fun, not to make money.
 
I would be going for the high end shotguns. I look at the price I paid for some of my shotguns (shooters not safe queens) 15 - 20 years ago and compare those prices to today's "same" guns and I'm amazed. Another one to look at is the Colt Python. If you can fid 'em NIB and keep them that way you should get a good return.
 
If you're going to do firearms, I'd do Title II. Fixed supply with an increasing demand.

However, as you know, they could lose value overnight with the stroke of a pen (not likely IMHO).

You also may want to look at some of the Milsurps - M39's, SVT's, and numerous others. Just do your research.
 
Guns are not so hot investments.

I bought a 1954 BAR in 1985 for just over $4000.

Today it has gained $28,000 in additional value.

That's 22 years, roughly 10% per annum growth. Not bad but not great especially given the economy during some of those 22 years.

Also keep in mind that the original principal, $4000, is worth about $7-8,000 in today's value of the dollar so it's diluted more by that.

That same $4000 in Wal Mart or Microsoft or Cisco stock....... well I'd have more than one BAR let's just say that.

Buy guns for fun, not to make money
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I think you didn't read or understand my post. I'm not investing my life savings because I think guns are a great investment. I am simply taking a small ammount and doing something interesting with it. Plus..in twenty years, hopefully I don't need the money they represent...I'll have a bunch of cool new guns to shoot.

I'm looking for gun advice, not financial planning advice. So to keep it on topic....let's just say i'm going to do this, it's just a matter of which guns. And to fine tune my criteria:

I am not big into militaria or combat weapons
I would prefer handguns
It should be something that a person would want to shoot 20 years from now (not a gold-plated, engraved .22 short mini revolver)
nothing too obscure, I'd like to know what I'm buying
 
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I'm looking for gun advice, not financial planning advice. So to keep it on topic.
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Listen bud, you posted a thread titled "Best 10-20 year pure investment" and the first reply to you gave NFA weapons as a suggestion.

I gave you a real world example of what you can expect from NFA firearms investmanets, not financial advice.
I answered your post in an attempt to be helpful and feel it was certainly on topic. No where in there did I suggest you not buy guns, just that you would not make any money on them, which is clearly the topic you posted.


So good luck since you don't like answers people give trying to help.
 
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Investing in firearms as an interesting investment.... I would look at Colt double action revolvers and Class III firearms (full-autos). If you are thinking in a 20-year investment term, it is likely that no Colt revolver that is in 98% or better condition will be worth less than what you paid in 2007 as long as you buy at or below market price. What the value will be in 20 years is anyone's guess. Some models are more popular than others. Popularity is a very unpredictable force.

Buy the regular production guns that were produced in lesser numbers first (All Colts--- Bankers Special, Officers Model Special, Courier, 357 Magnum model, First and Second Genertion Single Actions), then look at the more uncommon subsets (caliber, barrel length, and finish) of the regular production guns such as certain 22's in Colt Diamondbacks, 8" Trooper Mark III's, real 3" Pythons, 22 Troopers, Officers Model Match, Pythons in 38spl., 45LC Anaconda. You are essentially looking for the less popular variations of popular gun models. If they were popular, Colt would have made a lot of them. The kicker is that production figures are not available for most models. So you have to read and learn on your own and watch the market at work. Don't buy commerative firearms unless they are a steal.

You can do the same thing with Smith & Wesson products.

I'm no expert. I buy what I like and if they appreciate, great. IF not, I have a nice quality gun accumulation/collection that I can take pride in.

Roll the dice and take your chances. Like most art, firearms are a high risk investment vehicle.
 
Sorry texas, I didn't word my post very well. I just wanted to quickly get past the 'are guns a good investment" issue...I know they certainly aren't the ultimate.

Bud
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I guess I sort of was thinking along the lines of rimfires post, and realisticly these guns would not likely ever be sold. maybe I'm more interested in what people think are the currect undervalued somewhat common pieces that would be cool to own 15 years from now...ones that are a bit limited but not yet caught up in the collector market.

I like the idea of the colt revolvers and am already in the mode of snapping up almost any unfired Ruger Security/service/Speed six that is reasonably priced. Same with older unfired dan Wesson and some Smiths like the 63 kit guns.

Autos? maybe some discontinued Sigs and who was it that made that goofy rotating barrel 9mm a while back...2000something was the name...was it Ruger?

I don't doubt the restricted rifles might be a good fit but they are subject to legal changes that drive values down as likely as up.

I'm leary to of something like a 9mm SP101...they are discontinued and very sought after now but Ruger could start making them again tommorrow since the platform is still alive. Those $500-600 guns would be $325 overnight.
 
NYX - the New York Stock Exchange.

Remember you heard it here first

Current Price $84.30 share

Jim Cramer predicts $240 share within 16 months.

Will complete merger with Europe's Euronext 1Q 2007, accreditive to earnings. Wil be the larget exchange on the planet. Future deals already in the works with TSE, India's Bombay exchange and Italy's Bourse.
 
Thanks g5...you and Jim Cramer should go buy a bunch of that. I got in last June at $62.


Bud
 
Jim Cramer predicts $240 share within 16 months.
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You should check on Cramer vs Leonard the Wonder Monkey...

Spoiler Alert - the monkey won.....

Ongoing Stats:
Jim Cramer is right 49.25% of the time.
Jim Cramer's picks average a 0.11% ROI after 30 days.

Leonard the Wonder Monkey is right 49.77% of the time.
Leonard's picks average a 0.32% ROI after 30 days.


http://www.cramerwatch.org/

Logical,

I wasn't trying to argue the "guns are good or bad" investments thing, I was just trying to show some real life numbers rather than "I think xxx".
By me having and keeping so many I think they are a fine place to put money that you don't need to grow at a staggering rate.

Sorry if I was a bit pi&&y too :D
 
NFA firearms. It's risky but you aren't concerned about that.
Things stay the same: value goes up
Registry re-opens for guns made after 86 or those not registered prior to closure: value plummets
Legislators decide they cannot be transferred anymore: value goes to $0

Unless you are buying some NIB unfired rare gem, I'd shoot it! Otherwise it's like those guys that buy a rare car on Barrett-Jackson and never drive it :(
 
I wouldn't invest in Winchesters right now since they've already gone up in price (you're buying high). Plus they may land up being made again by another company. But if you still like the idea, stick with pre-1964 models.

My choice would be a Colt LE6920 AR. They've been going up in price anyway, since Colt is making it harder for civilians to buy them. Also if there's ever another AWB (not that anyone wants that), they'd go way up in value.
 
Between 1994 and 2004, pre-'94 assault weapons vastly increased in value. However, for folks in most states the pre-'94 guns have little additional value, all the features are usually available on post ban weapons. The Glock, Beretta, and other OEM hi-caps that were running up to just under $100 devalued immediatly when the ban sunseted. As written right now, HR 1022, would (if passed and signed) have a similar sunset allowance, and I forsee any .of those assault weapons weapons experiencing similar value fluctuations.

For the time frame your looking at (papered) Full Auto weapons are probably the best investment weapon. There are quite a few options available in the price range your loking for and by and large, and oftentimes even if shot a little bit, you will be able watch your investment grow in value.
 
Long-term investment vehicles to look into for non-professionals:

-Mutual funds would be your best bet if you don't want to do homework (or don't want to learn how to do your homework if you don't know).

-After that, the next best choice would be Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) based on the S&P 500. These have lower fees as compared to mutual funds since they aren't actively managed, but will still be properly diversified. The down side is that they aren't actively managed, so they will only match the performance of market. Since the market has averaged 13% returns per annum over the last fifty years or so, this isn't a bad bet for a long-term investment.

-If you'd rather have more consistent, slow gains and don't want to get into the market, you should also look into bonds.
 
Mutual Funds have an inadequate caliber velocity for self defense are hard to conceal plus the newer ones all have beavertails.

ETFs won't reliable feed hollowpoints and are hard to find good holsters for.

Bonds have the worst double action triggers ever and won't lock the slide open on an empty high capacity mag.
 
I don't want to rain on your parade, but I think you're going about it all wrong. You seem to admit and acknowledge that guns aren't a sound investment and you probably won't make as much over 10-20 years as you did with an index fund. That means its just play money, don't speculate on what will be worth the most just buy some guns you like. When you're tired of them in 10-20 years you can sell them. Maybe you'll make a profit, maybe you won't, you won't care. Past that if you still wanted to buy guns for a profit I'd consider http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=SWHC
 
I have a friend who is in his late 60's, and he and I have been working on his (VERY impressive, ~ 400 guns) collection.
A couple weeks ago he compared his collection (Pre Span Am war -WW2 mainly) to his stock market Mutuals... the Guns appriciate more.

He's got 1911's, 1911A1's, Colt 1909 and 1917's V models, Smith revolvers, Over 20 M1's, over 15 M1 Carbines, 70 some odd Springfields (03 and 03A3)
Couple Kregs, Matching almost unfired Luger, Maxim 1907 DEWAT...

He's done quite well, problem is, he can't stand to sell.
(I'm gonna have to be the executor, his kids don't care and will get cheated which is why I'm helping)

I have been investing since I was 14, but I DO see how some firearms could do better.
That said, If I knew which I wouldn't tell you. It would drive the price up!:what:
 
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