Best Full-Size Combat .40 caliber? - Seeking advice from experienced owners...

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Kentucky Rifleman

And if you would like some advice on a 1911 in .38 Super I would be more than happy to share with you one of my favorites: my Colt Commander. For some reason I have always like the Commander and Combat Commander, especially if it's in .38 Super. Just seems to handle and balance better for me than the typical full size Government Model. And don't forget you can always add a 9mm. barrel assembly and magazine if you would like have a two in one gun convertible.


Bannockburn, Beautiful! : )

I hdn' considered a commander frame, but that's sharp enough to get my gears going!!!

KR
 
KR,

I know everyone is pitching in with favorites and some with solid advice as well. Good stuff.

I'm a 1911 fan as well who owned 3 S&W M&Ps at one point. After an unexpected divorce (aren't they all?), 2 of the 3 are gone but the .40 stayed. It's also a natural pointer and the recoil is very manageable. What I would not suggest is a 1911 in .40 or 9mm for reliability within your price range.

The pros for the M&P: an optional thumb safety, 3 grip sizes to choose from, reliable- tested and proven by govt. standards and my single example has never failed, aftermarket support- an Apex trigger will give you as close to a 1911 pull as there is, a rail for a light or laser, plenty of sight options including night sights, available threaded barrels and match barrels.

No real curb appeal, I'll grant that. What they do offer is a pistol built from the ground up for 40 S&W that won't have you tearing up should it wind up in an evidence locker temporarily.

Another possible avenue to explore are the second gen S&W semis if you prefer alloy or steel frames. That's my pitch, lots of great suggestions so far and I wish you luck.
 
Hard to go wrong with the SIG P229. Well proven design for the .40 and a sweet shooter. A bonus it you can also shoot .357 SIG in it with the factory barrel from SIG if one wants. Lots and lots of really nice used P229s in .40 these days for $500 or less. CPOs available for not much more which is how I got mine.

 
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And your "theory" about problems is unsupported by fact. Troll up under another bridge, please.
I suppose the question would be, "Why did Glock develop the Gen 4 guns?" Why was the frame beefed up? Why did they go to a dual recoil spring? Were there problems with the 9mm Glock? Were there problems with the .45 ACP Glock?

The Gen 4 was all about fixing problems with the G22/G23 guns, the other caliber's in the line-up just tagged along with the different back straps, texture, and mag release that were just throw-in's since they had to change the frame anyway to fix problems with the .40S&W Glocks.

Unfortunately, Hilton Yam's Modern Service Weapon's article "Why I shoot an M&P" doesn't seem to be available anymore, but here is an excerpt.

https://kitup.military.com/2013/02/hilton-yam-10-8-performance-glock.html

Same with .40 – the M&P was designed for the .40, with steel chassis for increased rigidity and none of the durability or function issues of the Glock 22. Oddly, the 9mm was shoehorned into the M&P platform rather than the reverse which is true for Glock, and it is therefore the weakest model of the M&P.
 
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If you don't want polymer, the Sig 229 is a solid choice, originally developed to be a .40. If you want a softer shooting, more comfortable gun, the HK P30 can't be beat. It's available in your choice of trigger styles, both DA/SA w/ decocker, with or without a safety, or their wonderful LEM trigger. Let's not gloss over the nine grip panels it comes with, allowing you to custom fit it to your hand. Once you've held a P30, everything else feels like a brick in your hand
 
I have a G2 Glock 22 and a Steyr M40 both are fine guns. The Steyr trigger is very nice. Lots of other good options available and some very good buys on 40's now.
No matter what gun you choose there will be a few that have stories about what an unreliable piece of crap it is.
 
It's been awhile since I dug up any photos but here you go.

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M&P (9L in this case) along side a S&W 1911. Chunkier grip due to the double stack magazine but very familiar angle.

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Grip texturing on my 40, I used a (gasp) Dremel. Replacement inserts are available from MidWay and others for a few dollars allowing you to experiment economically. I used a sanding disc with lines radiating from the rear of the panel, 10 minutes work.
 
Advice: If what you're going to use this for is home defense, then get a heavy pistol. Plastic or alloy frames offer weight savings that are useful for carry, but are a drawback when it comes time to mitigate recoil. For pure performance, get something with a steel frame.
 
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My 2 choices are the p229 and a g23 gen 4 , have lots of time with both of them trust both of them no issues very reliable and easy take down
 
My personal opinion remains that the SIG P-226 is the perfect blend of size, ergonomics, reliability, durability and accuracy for the .40 S&W cartridge. Supremely reliable out of the box with any commercial ammo, especially JHPs, stellar accuracy, a grip that fits many shooters well, excellent OEM sights and nightsights ...Handles the snappier .40 recoil quite well. While I love the 228/229 in 9mm, for .40, it's the slightly bigger 226 for me.

My dark horse candidate is the Beretta 96. These pistols are tanks, typically accurate, always reliable with the slight downside of being a bit large in the hand for some.

Been issued the S&W M&P in .40. It's an okay polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol and way more ergonomic than the Glock -- if I had to take a plastic striker pistol, it'd be the M&P.
 
I was very fortunate to pick up my H&K P-30 for $499 on a blowout sale last November. Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore had been sitting on them for 2 years, so they blew them out. For $499, this pistol is top dog.

My local dealer told me $700 is a good price on this gun.
 
When dealing with 40 caliber I like guns that are designed from the ground up for that cartridge, but that does not exclude some other great options that weren't originally 40. My list of good guns designed to be 40 would be the HK usp, sig p229, and M&p 40 m2.0. My list of other good 40's would be glock 22/23, walther ppq/p99, sig sp2022, beretta 96/px4, Springfield xdm, sig p320, ruger sr40, fnx/s, and Cz 75/p06/p07/p09. There's no one good answer here but given the choice I would probably take the HK usp over the rest for duty or gtw. Accurate, reliable, fairly ergonomic, durable, soft shooting and just an all around cool gun are all traits of the Hk usp. My second choice would be the p229.
 
I own 5 pistols chambered in .40 S&W. I've carried a couple more issued ones.

Having been trained as an armorer for Glock, SIG (Classic models), S&W ("3rd Gen" & M&P) and S&W/Walther (SW99/P99's), I have some preferences I indulge when it comes to what I own and use.

If I were going to start over with my own buying/using, I'd get something from Glock, S&W or SIG and call it a day.

Ergonomically, it's really hard to beat the M&P 40. The new model 2.0 has some refinements and design enhancements which are nice, but the original M&P has been revised and refined over the last 10 years and is a serviceable pistol. (Kind of like how Glock makes both the Gen4 and the previous "Gen3", S&W is making the new 2.0 and the standard M&P.)

The Classic P226/229's are serviceable guns, and can be obtained in both the original TDA (Traditional Double Action, also often called DA/SA), as well as their Enhanced DAO (also called DAK). I tend to prefer the TDA, myself, but I'm a longtime 1911 and DA revolver shooter, so I acclimated to TDA pretty easily ... and it probably helped that I carried TDA duty weapons for many years.

The new SIG P320 is going to become better known now that it's been adopted as the new Army pistol, but I've not attended the 320 armorer class, so I'm unfamiliar with it from an armorer's perspective. One of the armorers at my former agency is planning to attend the class, so I'll probably hear more after he comes back from it. I've only seen one fellow carrying one as an authorized personally-owned duty weapon (9mm, I believe), and he seems content with it thus far.

The Glock Gen4 & "Gen3" guns have certainly established themselves. The first of the Gen4 guns to be designed was the G22, and the double sprung RSA in that .40 model has been welcomed by many shooters who feel it gives them a better degree of recoil management over the single spring RSA used in the older G22's/.23's. The only Glock .40 I personally own is an earlier G27 (E-series production), as it fits my hand better than the standard & compact models, but that's just me.

While I've invested some decent range time with other gun company .40's (Beretta, HK & Springfield's XD), I've not completed armorer classes for them, either, so I don't have any experience regarding them as an armorer (although, I've met some armorers for Beretta and HK, and have listened to their experiences and opinions).

Bottom line? There are some pretty good quality, serviceable duty-type .40's on the today's market which are going to provide some decent service for their owners and issued users.

Find some to try and see which ones suit your preferences better, and decide for yourself.

"Best" is something that always going to be debatable and arguable. What's the "best" car, truck, boot, computer, TV, watch, phone, etc? Try some different ones find what you like, for the reasons which matter to you ... and don't be surprised if you change your mind from one time to another. ;)
 
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@pblanc nailed it.

I have to recommend the Sig P226 for a 40cal.

Mine has been outstanding for the years I have owned it and it is accurate (minute of frying pan) to 240yrds.

I have been running it in competitions (IDPA, 3 Gun, etc) since I started shooting games like that.
Outstanding piece.

ETA: I concealed my 226 for about 2 years (the only gun I had to conceal...) and it is doable even on a skinny little dude like me.
 
I don't know anything about the Hi-Power in .40 caliber. I heard they are really good if you
convert a .40 to 9mm. I had a friend that had one in .40 and he really did NOT like it. I
don't remember why. Shoot one before you buy one. I have two in 9MM and they are just
fine except for the trigger and the magazine safety. Both can be changed.
Zeke
 
My first .40 S&W was a Service model XD40, a full-size pistol with 4" bbl. I used it in several classes carried in a Galco Combat Master holster at the 4:00 position. I was very pleased with the set-up and, in the last 1-1/2 years, have gone to the XD40sc for my EDC in the same holster. I also carry a 12-rd spare mag giving me 22 rounds. I'd recommend either approach.

FH
 
I might note that today, while trading some Uberti replicas in .45 Colt, I stumbled across a Colt's .45ACP CCO Gunsite model. This pistol has a compact (Officer model) grip, in Aluminum alloy, paired with a Commander slide. It sells new for $1,495; this one in better than good condition had a trade value of $800. I snapped it up with plastic case and papers.

Some years ago, my EDC was a MkIV/ser. '70, heavily customized back in the '70s by James Hoag. I retired that gun and switched to a Springfield TRP but moved to a Springfield XD/XDsc in .40S&W for the weight and size reduction. This CCO, if it is as reliable as my other 1911s, will become my EDC, based on size, weight and function. I've been reducing my inventory and will soon be down to this CCO and a lightweight Commander.

Cheers,

Harry
 
I don't know anything about the Hi-Power in .40 caliber. I heard they are really good if you
convert a .40 to 9mm. I had a friend that had one in .40 and he really did NOT like it. I
don't remember why. Shoot one before you buy one. I have two in 9MM and they are just
fine except for the trigger and the magazine safety. Both can be changed.
Zeke


I actually like my 40 BHP more than my 9mm...:what:
 
I don't own, and have never owned a polymer gun of any sort. I have nothing against them, and have enjoyed shooting a friend's Glock and Springfield XD. I appreciate them for what they are.

I want to pick up a full-sized .40 S&W for use as a combat handgun. I'll probably shoot some reactive course stuff at the club with it, but I'm really wanting the best .40 S&W combat handgun I can find.
KR

IMHO, the best 40S&W guns were manufactured in the 90's-2000's.
I would consider a used:
S&W 400X series TSW
Beretta Brigadier 96, including elite and elite II (these have heavier slides for 40)
BHP

If it has to be new, I'd consider:
Sig 229/226
CZ 75

Polymer is great, but it sounds like this would be a showcase or range only piece and not a daily carry.
 
From my experience I'd recommend the HKUSP 40. If I'm not mistaken, it was built from the ground up for this round. It's never let me down, Pretty accurate and built like a tank IMO. I've also fired the Glock 22. I don't see a reason why either one wouldn't be a bad choice.
 
I'm just throwing this in because nobody has mentioned them yet.

FNX-40

It has it all in my mind. I don't like striker pistols so I'm biased as well.

I buy sell and trade a lot. But I bought my FNX-40 several years ago and fell in love. It soon replaced all other pistols as a nightstand gun. It doesn't move unless I decide to carry it.

My pistol is stock. Has just under 4,000 rds through it. I've had one issue, a failure to fully eject. It was with very dirty ammunition after 200 rds of shooting.
 
If you already have a 1911, then my choice is a Browning High-Power in .40S&W. I love mine. The BHP is a very classy weapon and always performs flawlessly.

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Personally I'd look closely at the HK P30 in 40 S&W. They can be had for about $650 after shipping and fees. The P30 and HK45 line of guns are top notch. I have a P30SK I carry and an HK45 in the drawer next to the bed. They are accurate and utterly reliable guns in my experience. I also have a VP9 that is great if you prefer striker guns. Though the more I shoot my P30SK, the more inclined I am to give my girlfriend my VP9 (if we end up married), and pick up a P30L for myself in 9mm. I just prefer the P30 a bit more for a variety of reasons. If you consider them, look at the LEM trigger sytem closely.

If you want a metal gun, I'd be most inclined to look at a Sig 226 or 229 variant.
 
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