Best Semi-Auto for Bear under $1,800 ???

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Tromix Saiga 12.

I can't think of an auto pistol that I'd trust. I'm going to alaska in a couple months and as much as I love autos I'm seriously considering getting a ruger alaskan in .454
 
well... It may take some looking, and reloading for sure, theres always the rare .44 automag, that thing is a beast. Didn't LAR make one?
 
http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/hunter.htm

I see Corbon actually makes a load for 44 automag... Looks like it has about the same energy as the 44 mag. The 444 Marlin, which is considered minimumby some for really big bear has nearly 3 times the energy.

Even 7.62x39 has more energy than the 44 mag. The 10mm auto has half the energy of the 44 mag. That thought doesn't give me much comfort as I think of a 500+ lb charging grizzly... although my SKS does have a mean bayonet... ;)

I think I'll stick with my Winchester 94AE in 444 Marlin.... It only weighs 6 lbs, easier to aim than a pistol, especially at range and packs a much bigger punch then even the 500 S&W.
 
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;)"That thought doesn't give me much comfort as I think of a 500+ lb charging grizzly... :


You wish!

Shoot them in the nervous system and you are home free. Otherwise be prepared to take a lickin. Mkaes lots of noise and hope they have lots of food to eat.

Take Care

Bob
 
With all the new badder-than-44Mag revolver cartridges out there, I would not limit myself to autos only.
 
IMO, to depend on a handgun to take down a bear is not a situation I want to be in...now if it were for a back up handgun, I'd probably go w/ a G20. Even in CA w/ 10 round mags only, at least I'd have a false sense of security
 
I think the .50 AE Desert Eagle would probably be the best autoloader, but the problem with that is that it's huge and it's really much less practical than a big revolver.

The .50 AE Desert Eagle is 70 oz. The .454 Casull Raging Bull is 53 oz. The .460 S&W Model 460V is 62.5 oz.

Not that ftlbs is the best indicator of performance, but the .50 AE is about 1400 ftlbs, the .454 is about 1900 ftlbs, the .460 S&W is about 2500 ftlbs, and the .500 S&W is about 2900 ftlbs.

So the Desert Eagle would be fine, but the problem I see is that there are revolvers which are more powerful, more reliable, and easier to carry.

I really like the .460 S&W being able to shoot .454 and .45 LC, but I don't want to be the guy answering the "which autoloader" question by saying, "get a revolver."

This all leads me to say that the only way I could actually suggest an autoloader is if it was something much easier to carry than a Desert Eagle, in which case I think I'd have to suggest the Glock 20 which is 28 oz. and pretty easy to shoot for as light as it is.

Of course none of these are particularly ideal, but I really don't think people need to be condecending, either. If a bear decided to charge you, is a 12-gauge really going to do that much better? You can't carry around a rifle or shotgun on your hip very easily. Life is about tradeoffs. That's the reason some people don't wear their seatbelts. But before you go and condemn the people who prefer convenience to safety, ask yourself why you don't wear a motorcycle helmet when driving. Ask yourself why you haven't welded roll cages in all your cars. Because guess what! Even if you spent 50% of your life hiking around national parks, you're still more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the park. Just get the meanest gun you think is comfortable.
 
Originally Posted By DoubleTapDrew:
I can't think of an auto pistol that I'd trust. I'm going to alaska in a couple months and as much as I love autos I'm seriously considering getting a ruger alaskan in .454
I would be afraid to use a Ruger Alaskan because the barrel is so short. Under the pressure of a charging Grizzly it would be very hard to place your shots well. I would rather fire a compensated 5" barrel S&W Model 460V like I said above. I truly think that is a better way to go but that's just me. You may be a better shot than me and a lot cooler under pressure.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15707&isFirearm=Y
 
Whatever gun you chose you will want it to back up a 12 gauge shotgun.

+1 :)

there's an old thread about a bear attack , recommended read. :)

If I didn't remember wrongly , 2 hikers were attacked by bears, got mauled , gore and eaten. by the time the calvary arrived , all they found were the belongings and carcases of the hikers. :( :what:
 
If you HAVE to have an auto...

Why not make it a full auto? I'm somewhat serious here. You could do worse than to unload a Mac-10 pistol with very hot JHP loads into a bear. Under sudden stressful conditions while being charged by a bear, "spray and pray" is possibly more realistic than getting off one or two accurate shots.

I think Alaska allows fully automatic weapons with a tax stamp. If you've got a bit more carrying ability a short-barrel full-auto AK-47 would do some damage.

An attacking bear is like close-quarter combat with a REALLY big enemy. This isn't hunting, it is self-defense.

On the other hand, one of these with slugs would work too:

http://www.g-man-weaponry.com/Short_Barrel_Shotguns.htm
 
Get a dog trained to handle bears. And back the dog up with a shotgun. That will keep you safe.


A Dog facing a bear will most of the time make the bear flee after the dog starts nipping at it. I would trust a dog over a pistol any day. Its harder to sneak up on a dog then a pistol.

Link to a site about one breed for this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_Bear_Dog

There are others but this was the first i found
 
Glock 20, or Glock 29 if you want compact. Make sure to use the 230 grain DoubleTap hardcast loads. Then, hope you don't meet up with a big bear.
 
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