Dan Crocker
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Never mind. My post was off-topic.
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best semi auto rifle ever built?
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Again- there is no best, there is only best for a certain purpose. Your DMR/SDM rifle will not be best for hunting elk, your house-clearing carbine will not be best as a DMR or SDM rifle, and your elk gun won't be perfect for clearing houses.
That's the point, which is why you (wisely) don't try to do everything with one arm. I know, I've seen the pictures.
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That's the point, which is why you (wisely) don't try to do everything with one arm. I know, I've seen the pictures.
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Dan Crocker
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Sorry, I meant that my posts were off-topic.
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Tim the student
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That has not been my experience. Falluja was a huge exception however. Most of the enemy in my old AO were Iraqis who came into our AO to fight us, not foreigners who came to fight us. Can you PM me a source for your info?
Now then, can we get back on topic before this thread gets locked? K, thanks. I don't think that the makeup of foreign fighters in Iraq/Afghanistan is really firearms related, which is what I understand THR guidelines to be regarding posting. Absolutely interesting, but not firearms related, IMO. Maybe we can all PM each other about that topic. If anyone would like to PM me about that, and share some experiences or data, change my mind, whatever, please do so.
Dan Crocker
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I seem to recall Fetterman saying something similar...
*tongue planted in cheek*
All those parts...and being different colors reminds me of those cars you see with one door primer and a different color hood from their "parts car". Something about that stuff doesn't fit right. All it's missing is a giant spoiler on the back and some chrome rims. If that's not enough, you can puzzle your enemies with the giant list of acronyms in the name of the rifle.
True I'm judging purely based on looks. I'd take your word that it's a shooter....but it's definitely not my thing.I must admit that I like the SOCOM NAFTA GOP HULK HOGAN CIA TACOP DOD SWAT FUBAR version slightly better.
actually, i'd kinda like to see some mid- to long-range groups. have you posted any?
(not calling you out or anything... just curious how it shoots with the suppressor. i think i told you how my SEI suppressor shoots via PM a year or two ago while you were waiting on your paperwork)
I have not had much time to shoot over the past year or so... work and my future wife are keeping me busy
I have fired both my MK14 with the 18" standard profile chrome lined barrel and my Norinco 7.62
T56SHTF with the M14DC 0.30 Caliber Sound Suppressor installed and both are very accurate.
The Crazy Horse M21A5 EBR pictured above is brand new and only test fired by SEI before they shipped it to me.
The different colors are not nearly as bad as the camera flash makes them look - they actually match up very well.
I have fired both my MK14 with the 18" standard profile chrome lined barrel and my Norinco 7.62
T56SHTF with the M14DC 0.30 Caliber Sound Suppressor installed and both are very accurate.
The Crazy Horse M21A5 EBR pictured above is brand new and only test fired by SEI before they shipped it to me.
The different colors are not nearly as bad as the camera flash makes them look - they actually match up very well.
MTMilitiaman
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Yes and no. I don't really consider any version of the M14, no matter how it is equipped, as being ideal for kicking down doors. But if I am kicking down doors, I would rather have something like a Mk 14 with a Surefire, PEQ-2, VFG, and a good red dot or reflex sight than a Plane Jane M14.
The point of my entire post, in case you missed it, is that these items are going to be present on any rifle or carbine that goes into battle with our military because they work and they increase the capabilities of the soldier. So whether it is an M4A4, Mk 14 Mod 0, or something else, "tarting" it up makes sense because the capabilities of things like PEQ-2s, PVS-14s, ACOGs, and Surefire lights are worth the increase in weight and the chance they will break. If they weren't, no amount of B&M by the higher ups would get our grunts to carry them outside the wire. Modern infantrymen have enough stuff to carry without carrying useless junk and ineffectual gizmos. The gear in question is carried by almost everyone because it is neither useless nor ineffectual.
LoneStarWings
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Reliability and ease of maintenance, great iron sights, plus a lot of people favor .30-06/.308 over .223 in a semi-automatic rifle.
Full auto an room clearing, I'd probably take an M4, MP5, uzi, etc...
Pure long distance (500 yds+)....some type of bolt, or maybe an sr 25....
Little bit of everything in semi-auto? M14/M1A.
MTMilitiaman
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Reliability and ease of maintenance are two big reasons. While not as intrinsically accurate as an AR, they are pretty accurate for a standard battle rifle and with a little work, can be accurate by the standards of pretty much any rifle. The sights are second to none and they tend to have excellent triggers and good ergonomics as well, which helps people shoot them accurately. The M14 was the last of America's wood and steel guns, and no matter what configuration you have them in, they never lose that "they don't make em like this anymore" character. Plus they offer something for everyone. The old timers and traditionalist can have the wood/blued steel look in a National Match and shoot it alongside his CMP Garand. The younger ones and those who like rails can drop one in a Sage or other chassis system. You can use them for pretty much anything from High Power competition to hunting to defense. Lots of reasons. But overall they are just solid shooting guns with a lot of history and a real rifleman's rifle feel.
woodybrighton
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also built in the states. much like the 1911 A us thing like pick up trunks doesn't really travel.
the FN FAL was used by a lot more countries than the M14.
The British issued it as an SLR in a purely semi automatic form.
the FN FAL was used by a lot more countries than the M14.
The British issued it as an SLR in a purely semi automatic form.
I would rather have a stock M-14, which at least would be relatively light and compact. Better yet, a SMG of some sort.
Perhaps. Or perhaps because they are compelled to carry it by their platoon officer and NCOs. Or because 'everybody else does'. Or because they have a touching faith in the power of technology, and have never really thought things through.
There are a multiplicity of reasons why people do things, and soldiers are no different. It is also idle to presume that because many people do something, it is necessary wise and desireable.
RockyMtnTactical
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Based on what I have chosen to buy, I have to say AR15.
This is probably the best semi auto that I own.
It's relatively compact, lighter than it looks, very accurate and reliable.
It's relatively compact, lighter than it looks, very accurate and reliable.
MTMilitiaman
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Dropping a standard 18 inch barreled M14 into a Sage chassis system doesn't add all that much weight. The Navy specified in the contract that the rifle had to be under 11 pounds unloaded, and it is. So the chassis system and all the advantages it offers only adds about 1/2 a pound.
The PEQ-2, VFG, and a Surefire might add a pound and a half to two pounds. As with all battle rifles, it is the weight of the ammunition that adds the most weight. A loaded 20 round magazine weighs about a kilogram.
So depending on what optics you choose, the setup is going to be fairly heavy when loaded, but this is true of all battle rifles. The weight of the accessories is almost completely irrelevant given the weight of the ammunition. If you're rolling with a battle rifle instead of a poodle shooter, you probably expect a corresponding increase in weight to go with the increase in range, power, and lethality. So a 14 pound rifle with the capabilities of a PEQ-2, white light, and VFG is acceptable.
The PEQ-2, VFG, and a Surefire might add a pound and a half to two pounds. As with all battle rifles, it is the weight of the ammunition that adds the most weight. A loaded 20 round magazine weighs about a kilogram.
So depending on what optics you choose, the setup is going to be fairly heavy when loaded, but this is true of all battle rifles. The weight of the accessories is almost completely irrelevant given the weight of the ammunition. If you're rolling with a battle rifle instead of a poodle shooter, you probably expect a corresponding increase in weight to go with the increase in range, power, and lethality. So a 14 pound rifle with the capabilities of a PEQ-2, white light, and VFG is acceptable.
Well, 14 pounds is more than 25% heavier than, e.g., a loaded FN (with 21" barrel). That might be acceptable to some ... but I suspect that pretty much anyone except Hercules will find it less and less so, as the hours spent carrying it go by.
If you're going to carry all that weight, might as well go all the way and get a BAR.
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