Best to Worst AR15 list

[Lloyd Smale]

maybe i was mistaken in that generalization but i know that the MI state police sure cant and the two local sheriffs depts can and none of the local police in the towns around me can as i shoot with them all the time. Our sheriffs dept is the only dept i know of in the area that even allows a officer to buy his own gun. i sure would think that a police dept would be pretty leary of an officer shooting a criminal with a tricked out gun he made up for work. Id about be thered be a lawsuit if there was a kiling with one. Hell the MI state police cant even do action jobs on there carry guns.

 

[Joe Demko]

Ball's in your court

Numbers? No? I'm not doing the research to prove your point, skippy. You're a believer that the mil-spec is best, you find their numbers and how/why they arrived at them. That's how these things work. The people making the claims are the ones who are supposed to provide the evidence.

 

[proven]

joe- i thought you were done posting.

still can't admit when you're argument is wrong, huh. you ignore the counter to your "appeal to authority". you ignore the counter to your "better needs to be quantified" statement. and now you ignore the fact that the military has already done the research you request to determine that the TDP specs are "better".

you are clinging onto your ego and nothing more.

 

[taliv]

Until there is data to quantify how much better "x" is than "no x" your chart remains a guide for how to spend more money.

that's all it was intended to be. despite dozens of attempts by rob to explain it's not more than that, people still want to use it improperly and get all emo in the process

I still say alot more ars break in storys on the internet that guys use to justify there expensive ars that actuallly does happen in real life.

in my experience, all guns break a LOT more than owners claim. i can't tell you how many times i've watched guns malfunction on the range and then you ask them how they like the gun and they say, "it's great! this gun has never jammed". it's like guys have some sort of selective memory loss when it comes to this.

 

[ugaarguy]

Lloyd, larger agencies have the budget to provide patrol carbines. Smaller agencies that don't have the budget often allow officers to purchase their own carbine that falls within their guidelines. Those guidelines also, generally, list what can and can't be added to the weapon. The officer then, again, speaking generally, has to bring the weapon in for an armorer or supervisor to inspect to make it sure it complies with dept. guidelines. The officer will then have to qualify with the weapon, and may have to take an in house carbine course as well before he or she can carry it on patrol. It all has to do with liability insurance, and the bigger the agency, the more they're likely to be sued for, so the tighter the guidelines.

Many departments even restrict off duty carry to an approved list. That approved list may also include a provision for the armorer or supervisor to approve a similar gun not specifically on the list. For example, most departments approve the S&W 686 for off duty carry. If an officer wanted to carry a new 386 Night Guard off duty most armorers would approve it because it's simply a black finish, lightweight version of a gun specifically okayed on the list.

 

[Lloyd Smale]

i guess i understand your take on it but in our local area the ars used by the police are select fire guns and even a police officer cant buy one without going through all the red tape with the batf. I guess i just dont see that to many are going to go through all that then plunk down 2 grand for a gun when the dept will give them one to use for nothing. Plus even to buy one youd have to find a preban gun and you know what a full auto gun costs these days. Granted some may be able to buy through there dept but they still would have to go through the batf if it were there gun and i dont think anyone in there right mind would pay that kind of money for a gun they couldnt legaly call there own. I guess a guy could buy his own semi auto but what sense would that make if the dept issues full autos. I guess to maybe in some very rural areas the dept might actually use a semi auto gun.

 

[gvnwst]

despite dozens of attempts by rob to explain it's not more than that, people still want to use it improperly and get all emo in the process

100+ There is nothing wrong with the chart, but it is not the total encompasantion of any and every good AR out there, it is just waht rob says, a basic overview. (that is from another thread though)

taliv, you are a mod now! Comgrats!

 

[7.62X25mm]

I read the whole first page and the whole last page. Six pages of posts and so far I don't see any sort of "list" emerging.

So this thread is in there with "What should I buy for my girlfriend?" and "Does anything smell better than Hoppes No. 9?"

 

[gvnwst]

Kentucky made a decent one on page 2. I helped a bit, with three manufacturers, but some people say that he mixed up a few....

 

[Mr. T]

Best AR-15

I don't know about other companies, but I purchased a Bushmaster AR-15 "Patrolman" model about two years ago. I was at a Gander Mountain and they had them on sale for $799. I had the money in a "rainy day" account and spent some of it; my wife was pissed for a number of days, but it was totally worth it. I had never seen them that cheap before and always wanted one. That gun is extremely accurate. I can shoot 100 yard clover leafs with it, while using a red dot site. I have been very happy with it so far; I've never had a jamb and it never fails to go bang. My brother, who's in the Army, came back from Iraq this last summer and we went out to the range and he was really impressed. When we tore it down to clean it, he was really impressed with the quality of the parts. He said that it was every bit as good as what the military is getting (minus the fully automatic function). The only improvement that I could imagine would be a better trigger if you are going to be doing long-long distance shooting. The trigger breaks at about 4.5 - 5 pounds, but it breaks clean; there's no slop in the trigger. Overall I would have to recommend Bushmaster to anyone looking to pick one up, but it's the only company I have experience with. A friend of mine has a DPMS and has had it for awhile now and is also very happy with his purchase. He has his set up for long range shooting for prairie dogs and varmint hunting, where as mine is a M4 style carbine pretty much production model. He has tricked out his trigger and has a custom barrel on his gun along with a high end AI scope. It's kind of like comparing a Chevy Monte-Carlo to a Chevy Corvette. That's my two cents worth; good luck in your selection.

 

[helz_mcfugly]

"Does anything smell better than Hoppes No. 9?"

yes, spent gunpowder and a clean 9()$$y
and Mr. T, I replaced my factory Bushy trigger with a Jewel 2 stage and it improved my accuracy greatly. I dont think you can get a better trigger for an AR.

 

[rich636]

Helz your first line there had me cracking up, I needed that, thanks!