Better accuracy potential?

[RWMC]

Comparing the Savage Axis II With Accu trigger, and a heavy 22"barrel, to the Savage 12FV with Accu trigger, and a 26 inch heavy barrel; both rifles chambered for the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is going to have the better potential for accuracy? Thank you for your time and for your response.

 

[Varminterror]

12FV over the Axis, every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[LoonWulf]

Same barrels, same assembly, similar parts, similar accuracy potential......

But I'm with VT, only reason id buy the Axis is if i couldnt afford the 12fv. If that's the case I'd buy used, or get RAP.

While the basic mechanical accuracy would be similar, if not the same (again every rifle is an individual), the 12s is nicer. It comes with (arguably) a better stock, larger slightly longer bolt knob for better leverage, a better action that is properly sized for the cartridge, and offers you more options in aftermarket support.
There's more to useable accuracy than just the mechanics of the rifle.

 

[Geno]

When it comes time to rebarrel, Shaw barrels and Accuracy barrels are inexpensive, quality options for the M12. They won’t fit the Axis.

My own M12 in 6.5 Creedmoor is a dandy rifle. Even cheap factory hunting loads will group around 0.75”. Match ammo groups close to 0.50”. That’s not bad for a $319 rifle.

If you can swing an extra $100, wait for the M10T to go on sale. I paid $449 for mine in .308 Win. It prints itty-bitty clovers!

JMHO,

Geno

 

[LoonWulf]

When it comes time to rebarrel, Shaw barrels and Accuracy barrels are inexpensive, quality options for the M12. They won’t fit the Axis

From spec they use the same barrels, and threading, but reading suggests that the Axis receivers can be on the tight side so SOME will not take a standard 10/110 barrel.
If you find your receiver to be on the tight side you could maybe rent a receiver tap.

 

[jmr40]

I'm going out on a limb and say the Axis. All of the bolt rifles with an enclosed action with only an ejection port such as the Tikka, Ruger American,and TC Venture have proven to be more accurate than their predecessors because the action is stiffer. I see no reason for the Axis to be any different. And you don't need a 26" barrel in the 6.5 Creedmoor. A shorter 22" barrel will give about all the speed you can get plus all things being equal will be stiffer. The 12V probably has a better stock, but stocks can be replaced and you asked which has the better potential.

If money were no object I'd take the Tikka CTR over either. If money is an object the Ruger Predator is under $400 and probably the most rifle for the money.

 

[someguy2800]

The trigger on the standard axis is terrible. I would buy the 12fv when it goes on sale.

 

[Bushpilot]

A friend of mine has both in 6.5 Creedmoor with heavy barrels and I've shot both quite a bit. In my experience they both shoot pretty close to one another but the FV12 is usually just a little bit better. I'm guessing that the accuracy difference has more to do with the cheap stock, bedding and recoil lug on the Axis then with anything else. If the Axis stock was replaced or severely bedded and reinforced it might be a whole different story. My friend's Axis usually shoots about 1" vertical groups with factory loads (not heated up), but they are only about .5 inch wide.......there is some potential there..

+1 on the enclosed action idea, I think there is some truth in that... Like a sleeved BR rifle... the 788 is another example of an enclosed action that shoots very well even with rear locking lugs...

 

[Axis II]

You guys seriously need to stop this axis vs model 12 stuff because it makes me want to run out and buy a model 12 and sell my axis!! lol.

 

[Nature Boy]

I have a Model 12 BVSS in .223. It shoots laser beams

 

[Bushpilot]

You guys seriously need to stop this axis vs model 12 stuff because it makes me want to run out and buy a model 12 and sell my axis!! lol.

Just curious, how well does your Axis shoot and what is it chambered in? The axis isn't my favorite rifle but it's a lot of rifle for the money....

 

[LoonWulf]

While i agree that the tube receivers are stiffer, and probably much easier to machine accurately on a production line, Im not convinced they make that much of a difference when were were talking about base model production guns.

 

[Axis II]

Just curious, how well does your Axis shoot and what is it chambered in? The axis isn't my favorite rifle but it's a lot of rifle for the money....

5 in a dime on a good day and 223rem.

 

[Bushpilot]

5 in a dime on a good day and 223rem.

Sounds pretty good to me... I don't think you're missing out on much by not having a 12.

 

[Bushpilot]

Im not convinced they [enclosed actions] make that much of a difference when were were talking about base model production guns.

Well, I would actually would prefer it if you were proven right on this because I think working with and using "tubed" or "enclosed" actions can be a bit of a pain. It's harder to get stuck or jammed rounds out if you have an issue. There just isn't much access compared to a more conventional bolt action.

 

[LoonWulf]

Well, I would actually would prefer it if you were proven right on this because I think working with and using "tubed" or "enclosed" actions can be a bit of a pain. It's harder to get stuck or jammed rounds out if you have an issue. There just isn't much access compared to a more conventional bolt action.

Yeah, I prefer the traditional actions if for no other reason than they are easier to work with.

 

[Axis II]

5 in a dime on a good day and 223rem.

I think the first one is only a 3 shot group and 5 shot group. Savage axis II 223rem heavy barrel w/accu trigger 55gr Hornady V max over 24gr Benchmark. 100yards of a sand bag. Believe it or not that group in the circle was a 55gr FMJ-BT.

 

[Damon555]

I have a Model 12 BVSS in .223. It shoots laser beams

Same here....Never had a BVSS that didn't shoot....I suspect that the 12FV wouldn't be far behind. With the price of the 12FV being what it is there's no need to compare the two. Go with Savage's flagship action and be happy.