Bhutto’s assassin’s pistol type?

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The pistol was shown briefly laying on the ground on the news. It is a modern auto, possibly the new type of Berretta or a Sig or S&W. Anyone get a good look at it? I assume it is a 9mm but it could have been a 40 or a 45.

I think it might have been a Sig.
 
I just saw this on the news during dinner. It blows my mind that people can be so hateful. To assasinate someone is hateful enough, but then to blow yourself up in an absolutely packed crowd of people, just because they were there, is absolute evil.
 
I'm guessing there's going to be a fair bit of speculation until a later date. It just happened and I'm sure things are still pretty chaotic for a bunch of folks directly involved, so the information getting to us is likely to not be very accurate.

My understanding was that she was a victim of a suicide bomber, along with something like 20 other people. But, that's just one story. I hadn't heard anything about her being shot until now.
 
Murph is right. It definately looks like a Steyr. Very similar to this.

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Just saw it on CNN.
 
The video shown on the news of a handgun laying on the ground with blood around it is clearly a Steyr M9-A1 (I doubt its a .40 or .357sig in that part of the world).

But then I hear on the news that she was shot with an AK ... so like usual I figure we need to wait a few days for the news to sort itself out.

Let me guess. Pakistan's military has a deal with Steyr for small arms.
I understand that the Paki Army is in the process of dumping its G3s and replacing them with AUGs ... so it wouldn't surprise me to find Steyr pistols as part of the deal.

Does make for an interesting monkey-wrench ... either the Paki Army is somehow involved (or Army personnel) or their guns are already getting stolen.


Also, since I keep hearing reports that she was shot with an AK, maybe the handgun being shown belonged to part of her security detail.
 
Yep, it was definately a Steyr MA1....Guess who the Steyr Co. just sold a bunch to (and a bunch of the steyr .50 cal rifles).....yep you guessed it, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.......We all know that the Pakistani ISI and the IRG have a close relationship when it comes to "the problem areas"
(Balochistan) along their shared border and also a close relationship in regards to the nuclear industry, Everyone say thank you to A.Q.Khan, Remarkable, Simply Remarkable!
 
Guess who the Steyr Co. just sold a bunch to (and a bunch of the steyr .50 cal rifles).....yep you guessed it, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Wrong. Steyr sold several .50 rifles to Iranian Border Patrol for use against drug smugglers, NOT to the Revolutionary Guard. It also apparent that Steyr has sold AUGs to the Pakistani Army as part of their "2015 Modernization Plan" to replace the aged HK G3s they carry now.


Anyway, it was clearly an M9-A1 and not an M40-A1 or and M357-A1 http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/dec-2007/28/index7.php
 
From the latest updates, she was standing up in the sun roof of the SUV when the hitter fired three rounds from the rear 7 or 8 o'clock position, connecting with 2 rds, one to the shoulder exiting out the front and the fatal round going through the neck back to front.
Purportedly, he then blew him self up, murdering another 20 people. Just wait and his "martyrdom" farewell video will be hitting the web. That's how this sort of thing usually goes.
This has rouge ISI written all over it. you see Pres. Musharraff has little to no control over some elements of the ISI and the military. it's only a matter of time before he gets whacked, there have been several very close calls already.
I've been saying for quite some time that in the short term( 5yrs or so ) Pakistan is the most important country in the world. It's a shake-n-bake nuclear armed extremist regime in the making, if things tilt ever-so-slightly in the wrong direction.......Just the sort of thing we're trying to avoid w/ Iran....Watch this one closely!
 
So, was shooting her before blowing her to Paradise some sort of insult?:confused:

I mean if you are laced up with bathtub C3 (or whatever) then why not run at her and tackle her and click your ruby slippers together? Why shoot her and then blow yourself up if not to rub something in?:confused:
 
From what I heard the shots were after the bomb.

As for those .50 calibre Steyr rifles, they are single shot things that have no evidence whatsoever of being used outside of Iran's border guard. The story of them being used in Iraq turned out to be make belief, though they did find some Chinese .50 calibre rifles in Iraq that were similar to the Steyr design, but were not from the Austrian company and has no ties to it.
 
I hope she was not killed with one of the 190,000 AK-47's and Glock handguns that are missing from shipments to Iraqi security forces from the USA. It is known that many have turned up in Turkey being used by gangs, thugs, and extremists.
 
I don't care what she was killed with. The important thing is she is dead and that is very important with the election scheduled for Jan 9th. Who gains?
 
So, was shooting her before blowing her to Paradise some sort of insult?

I mean if you are laced up with bathtub C3 (or whatever) then why not run at her and tackle her and click your ruby slippers together? Why shoot her and then blow yourself up if not to rub something in?
I think the suicide bomber part is harder to understand.
In many parts of the world being captured will result in torture for information and end with execution. Especialy after killing an official in an assassination.

A firearm is better for fighting and trying to live and escape. If that option fails becoming a human bomb becomes a backup plan.

I would venture that a decent number of "suicide" bombers are that type, and don't actualy plan to blow themselves up unless they are about to be arrested/captured, or are mortaly wounded.
Others are pawns and do not even know they are a suicide bomber, instead thinking they are delivering something, transporting something, driving to a location etc, and are detonated remotely by those using them as pawns. Some car bombs are this type. In fact several in Iraq are known to have been this type. They are reported as suicide bombers by the groups though because that shows more fanatical dedication to a cause, giving the organization more "respect."
Only some suicide bombings are planned as suicide bombings from the start, and known as such by the person blown up/deliverer.

Imagine fighting a group of people wired to explode as a backup plan. It would be virtualy impossible to clear a building with such people. Military/swat type raids would fail. Gunfire would be exchanged until the paramilitary group began to gain the advantage at which point they would be blown up.

Very stable explosives resistant to even blows from bullets with strong casing also can work as ballistic vests, stopping many small arms rounds, and being woven on the outside of materials used as soft body armor. The explosives would function as armor plates.
So it is not all dead weight, and has a dual function.

If someone was an extremist it could be a very attractive option for high risk events where death or capture is a very likely possibility.
If such a device was tied directly to a human's pulse with a delay it could even function to explode after they were killed with enough delay to allow others to close in, or to remedy the situation if still alive by disabling it(ha don't accidentaly disconnect the sensor.)
A simplier measure could be a timer that must be reset every so often for the duration of a mission in addition to the manual control. Of course such a device can be equiped with multiple obstacles to insure it explodes if intionaly tampered with by someone that does not know the design.

All around it is a very viable backup in a climate of torture, execution, and fanaticism. If captured they will be killed anyways (after some torture.) Taking out the team that is fighting or kills them in a firefight sure beats just being taken out.
Consider it a force multiplier.

So as much as we are all programmed by the media to assume suicide bombers left with the plan of blowing themselves up, I think that only accounts for some of the incidents, and it is used as plan B many times in the face of overwhelming opposition and assured defeat/capture when the option to run and fight again another day no longer exists.

Also the gun in a picture could be any number of firearms on the scene. Including those carried by security personel or bodyguards.
 
I would think the suicide bomb part of the plan served a dual purpose. It would possibly ensure that she would be killed if the shots didn't land (depending on the armour of the SUV) also it would probably be preferable to kill one's self rather than be torn limb from limb by so many inraged supporters, many of whom would perhaps have been from the same area of Pakistan(Sind) as Bhutto. Tribal( geographic) loyalties still run to the very core of the being even today. One great example is Kashmir/Jammu or the NorthWest Pashtu tribal region.
 
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From the quick look I would say HK or Sig. The thing is that is odd for a country that uses AK's so much, and shuns handguns.
 
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