Black Caucus extorts legislature over gun control (PA)

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From the Philadelphia Inquirer
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/philadelphia/20071206_Black_Caucus_walks_out_over_guns.html

Black Caucus walks out over guns
The Pa. legislators, mostly from this region, want House colleagues to reconsider a trio of firearms bills.

By Angela Couloumbis and Mario F. Cattabiani

Inquirer Harrisburg Bureau

HARRISBURG - At least a dozen members of the Legislative Black Caucus abruptly walked off the House floor yesterday, saying they were angered and frustrated over the lack of movement on any meaningful gun-control legislation.

"This wasn't a walkout - this was a stand-up. It was a stand-up for a cause," said Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland (D., Delaware), chairman of the Legislative Black Caucus. ". . . What we did today was start a movement. What we did today was raise the bar and raised the issue about lives being lost in our various communities."

The 12 members, almost all from Philadelphia and its suburbs, asked to be placed on leave just as debate had begun on a bill to make government records more accessible, one of the few major items left on the legislative agenda this year. Soon after, the House went into recess, and several hours later, broke for the day without explanation.

While on the floor, caucus members did not explain in detail why they were requesting the leaves. But they made it clear soon after: They want to refocus attention on legislation they believe would help stem the relentless spate of violence in Philadelphia and other cities.

Kirkland acknowledged that the caucus timed the event to coincide with the start of debate on widening the state's open-records law.

"We got their attention," he said. "It was an opportunity, and when an opportunity arises you have to take that opportunity."

It was unclear yesterday when the group planned to return from leave - although adding to the confusion and dissonance of the day, several caucus members were spotted milling around on the House floor in the late afternoon.

It's not the first time the black caucus has employed such a tactic.

In late June, the group warned it would withhold its votes and potentially thwart passage of the state budget until gun measures were considered. However, Kirkland lifted that threat days later after meeting with legislative leaders and NRA officials. He said at the time that he was satisfied with the progress being made on the issue.

Right after yesterday's walkout, caucus members met privately with House leaders. Both sides emerged saying they had jump-started "a conversation" on guns.

But what transpired during that meeting was a source of confusion.

Rep. Tony Payton Jr. (D., Phila.) said the group wanted to revive a trio of bills, two of which were recently struck down in the House Judiciary Committee, and have them voted on by the House's full membership. One of the measures would limit Pennsylvania residents to one handgun purchase a month.

After the meeting, though, Kirkland said a mere floor vote on those three bills was not enough. He said the caucus would not be satisfied unless those and other gun-control bills were passed and signed into law. He would not be more specific.

Kirkland, as well as Rep. Jewell Williams (D., Phila.), said the caucus has often supported other lawmakers on bills important to their constituents.

"What we are just saying is that we've been helping you . . . all we want is some help to resolve the crime and violence," Williams said.

Kirkland said the caucus supported open-records legislation, but cast yesterday's walkout as a matter of priority.

"When we have to walk by an open casket, day in and day out, our priority is to make sure that guns are taken off the street," he said.

Just last month, the House Judiciary Committee voted down bills that would would have limited handgun purchases to one a month, as well as allow municipalities to enact their own gun legislation. The committee tabled a measure that would require owners to report lost or stolen guns immediately to police.

The committee's action came despite an appeal by Gov. Rendell, who, in a rare move, requested to testify on the gun-control measures. Several polls show a majority of Pennsylvanians support laws limiting gun purchases to one a month.

On Monday, Rendell, Mayor Street, Mayor-elect Michael Nutter, and a number of other mayors from across the state are scheduled to appear at a news conference in the Capitol, organized by CeasefirePA, to revive discussion on gun-control measures.

"The simple fact is, we're not going away," said Phil Goldsmith, president of CeasefirePA. "This issue is not going away."

Besides Kirkland, Payton and Williams, those who walked out were Reps. John Myers (D., Phila.); Angel Cruz (D., Phila.), Rosita Youngblood (D., Phila.); Curtis Thomas (D., Phila.); Thomas W. Blackwell (D., Phila.); James Roebuck (D., Phila.); Jake Wheatley (D., Allegheny); Cherelle Parker (D. Phila.); and Harold James (D., Phila.)
So there. We're taking our votes and we're not going to play with you. Neener, neener, neener.

Once again we have a vocal numerical minority trying to guilt the rest of the polity into action. I can't believe they think walking out on the debate will work. The sadder comment is, it just might.
 
Contact your Reps, heck contact all the reps, demand a criminal and ethical investigation into the so called Black Caucus. Stress the following points:

1) Aiding and abetting known felons (Based on DOJ studies showing fellons don't get their guns from Legal dealers and these laws making it more difficult for the law abiding to protect themselves).

2) Violation of the Oath of office by violating Article I Section 21 of the PA constitution.

3) Attempted repression of civil rights by a government official

and 4) the RICO Act, where an organization commits or attempts to commit extortion or other crimes.

if enough of us demand they be held accountable, they won't say it's nut jobs, if only a few make the call, it'll be business as usual where the political class shafts the common man they are supposed to represent.
 
Hardware said:
Once again we have a vocal numerical minority trying to guilt the rest of the polity into action. I can't believe they think walking out on the debate will work. The sadder comment is, it just might.
It won't. Not in PA in the foreseeable future.

Just playing devil's advocate for a second, but since the VAST majority of gun deaths in Philly are young black men being killed by other young black men, I wonder how much of an uproar it would cause if someone stood up and proposed a bold new gun control bill: No black man under the age of 35 may pruchase, own or otherwise posess any firearm. That would be as absurd as the legislation they're trying to push through but at least would be more focused to the problem.

Those reps can't fix the societal problems that are causing their youth to kill each other at the drop of a hat, and they have to appear to be doing something to justify their reelection, so they're going after the next best scapegoat.
 
A bunch of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh black legislators wanting gun control?

I'm shocked!
 
No black man under the age of 35 may pruchase, own or otherwise posess any firearm.

Just limit it to Allegheny, Delaware and Philadelphia Counties and I'm behind it.
 
So, you have a group, who wants what has allready been struck down put into law... And they're going on "strike" in a way until they get what they want? Fine, don't pay them until they come back to work.
 
Given the history of African-Americans in the United States, one would think that Blacks would walk out of a legislature that was not considering making firearms ownership mandatory.

It is a tragic shame that African-Americans have bought into the notion that government helps people. A notion foisted on them by white socialist poltroons who seek power over African-Americans.:(
 
LAR-15 said:
Just limit it to Allegheny, Delaware and Philadelphia Counties and I'm behind it.

Unconstitutional. PA can't pass a law for three counties any more than Congress could tell New York that all New Yorkers have to stand on their head in the shower.
For this reason, i'm waiting for something to challenge the additional "Emissions Check" that only certain counties have to undergo, as passed by the state...
 
In late June, the group warned it would withhold its votes and potentially thwart passage of the state budget until gun measures were considered. However, Kirkland lifted that threat days later after meeting with legislative leaders and NRA officials. He said at the time that he was satisfied with the progress being made on the issue.
Doesn't this concern anybody just a little?
 
Does the legislature still have a quorum? If so, I don't see the problem. Just tell them "don't let the door hit you on the butt on your way out" and continue on with business. Imagine the money PA will save on per diems and expense accounts (revoked while they are "on strike") And the good folks of Philly will be p'ed because they are not represented; they can take care of that at the next election.

Everybody wins.
 
Given the history of African-Americans in the United States, one would think that Blacks would walk out of a legislature that was not considering making firearms ownership mandatory.

It is a tragic shame that African-Americans have bought into the notion that government helps people. A notion foisted on them by white socialist poltroons who seek power over African-Americans.

Puzzles me too. They obviously don't know either the history of gun control or the full name of the "Saturday Night Special."

I also don't understand how those black legislators can represent their constituents on other matters if they're not present to do the work.

But I'm an easygoing fellow and I'll volunteer for almost any job in which I get paid to protest by not being on the job. In fact I'll stay away longer and louder if the salary is high enough.
 
"When we have to walk by an open casket, day in and day out, our priority is to make sure that guns are taken off the street," (Kirkland) said.
Uh huh. Just like the utter failure that is DC.

It is a tragic shame that African-Americans have bought into the notion that government helps people. A notion foisted on them by white socialist poltroons who seek power over African-Americans.

...and the Uncle Toms who carry out their agenda as the Legislative Black Caucus.

What idiots.
 
I wonder how much of an uproar it would cause if someone stood up and proposed a bold new gun control bill: No black man under the age of 35 may pruchase, own or otherwise posess any firearm.
It would be a huge uproar (especially if introduced by a white guy), but I would think that it might point them in the right direction....but a wise man once said: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".

I wonder what Jesse Jackson would say to that idea, coming on the heels of his comment at Sean Taylor's funeral: "We need to stop these black on black crimes".
 
Where does the White Caucus stand on this issue?
What? There is no White Caucus???
Such silliness on the part of the hyphenated americans that forget they are Americans first. I am not racist and this comment should not be taken as racist.
 
Would they support banning the ownership of firearms by African-Americans?

I mean, if they figure they represent the "black community" and its wishes, then why not?

A gun ban isn't popular among Caucasians in Pennsylvania, so why should Whites have to be subject to it? But hell, if it's popular among African-Americans, let them make laws for themselves according to their own "community standards."

What, you think that's "racist" or something, since it separates people by skin color?

But having a "Black Caucus" isn't?
 
Originally posted by Kingcreek: Where does the White Caucus stand on this issue?
What? There is no White Caucus???
Such silliness on the part of the hyphenated americans that forget they are Americans first. I am not racist and this comment should not be taken as racist.

I dont understand why you desire a white caucus if you disagree with the idea of a black caucus? The black caucus is in a sense similar to the NRA in that they protect the rights of a minority group that has traditionally been the victim of an oppressive majority.
 
tecumsah said:
I dont understand why you desire a white caucus if you disagree with the idea of a black caucus

what are you talking about? he never said there should be a white caucus, he said there isnt one. twisting someone elses words to try and make your point is not a valid form of argument. minorities are not the only ones effected by tyranny, ever heard of tyranny of the minority? hint: look at the NRA's memberships vs the brady bunch's.
 
Pardon me for not being more subtle, but will some newspaper please publish the following headline so we can see how absurd this is:

"Black Caucus, Rich Old White Guys, and the KKK all agree: No guns for black people!"

Seriously, this is just messed up. Of course I also find it funny that while our gov't swells in power and threatens to curtail all of our costitutionall protected rights, the same idealistic liberals who decry Bush as some tyrant in waiting also openly call for more gun control. An armed populace is a safeguard against tyrany. When a gov't refuses to be voted from office, what are you gonna do, vote harder?
 
Do we have any PA members who want to send a letter to these folks suggesting a total ban on firearm by African Americans in PA?

That would be awesome to see their response :evil:
 
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