Gun-rights banner at Capitol draws outcry over its language

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Gun-rights banner at Capitol draws outcry over its language
By Amy Worden
Inquirer Harrisburg Bureau
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_region/20070425_Banner_assailed_as_a_threat.html

GARY DWIGHT MILLER / Patriot-News
The banner that some gun-rights supporters took to Harrisburg objected to State Rep. Angel Cruz's proposed legislation.
» More images HARRISBURG - Members of the Legislative Black Caucus called yesterday for a state police investigation into the display of what they called a racist banner in the Capitol that said a Latino lawmaker should be "hung from the tree of liberty for his acts of treason against the Constitution."

The outcry came hours after several gun-rights proponents unfurled a banner saying that State Rep. Angel Cruz (D., Phila.) should be hanged for introducing legislation that would require people to register their guns and pay a $10 fee to the state police.

"People want to hang me for doing my job," Cruz said, adding that his bill was aimed at trying to reduce gun violence in his district.

"I am appalled by the actions by a group of demonstrators," State Rep. Jewell Williams (D., Phila.) said. "We will not tolerate people making threats against members."

Williams was one of 10 Philadelphia-area lawmakers who appeared at a news conference yesterday afternoon to denounce the banner's language as a "terroristic threat" that raised the ugly specter of mob violence against African Americans.

Cruz, who is of Puerto Rican ancestry, is a member of the Black Caucus.

His bill outraged gun-owner groups that used its introduction this month to mobilize members for a rally yesterday at the Capitol.

Rally organizers had hoped to promote bills to ease restrictions on gun purchases, but anger over the sign took center stage in the Capitol and on the floor of the House.

State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe (R., Butler), lead organizer of the rally, said he knew nothing about the banner and distanced himself from what he called "rogue extremists" responsible for it.

"I condemn that language in the strongest terms," he said.

Paul Estus of Ridgway, who was holding the banner, told the Associated Press the lynching tree was "just a figure of speech."

"You've got to make a stand," he added.

State Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland (D., Delaware), chairman of the Black Caucus, called the sign "an act of racism and bigotry" and said those responsible for it should be brought to justice.

Among the tragic lessons of the massacre at Virginia Tech was that people did not take threats literally, Kirkland said.

A spokesman for Gov. Rendell also condemned the sign.

"Vitriolic, personal attacks such as the one on Rep. Cruz are shameful and have no place in the public arena," Chuck Ardo said. "The threat implicit in the banner does not advance the debate nor the cause of the demonstrators."

State Rep. Ronald Waters of Philadelphia cited the statements that led to the firing of the radio talk show host Don Imus, saying the sign only created further divisions. "We live in sensitive times and should be in a period of healing," he said.

At a news conference yesterday morning, Metcalfe, backed by 30 lawmakers from both parties, announced what he called a "landmark package of Second Amendment rights-protection bills."

To the cheers of 150 gun-rights proponents - six of whom brought loaded handguns to the Capitol - Metcalfe said his bills and others would protect the rights of law-abiding citizens.

"Lives are saved when law-abiding citizens are provided every means necessary to defend themselves against crimes," he said.

Metcalfe said one bill was designed to help victims of domestic violence by allowing anyone who can show he or she is in "imminent danger" to be quickly issued a temporary permit to carry a concealed weapon.

That bill drew criticism from the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Domestic Violence, which coincidentally had scheduled a news conference in the Capitol yesterday, to release the latest statistics on domestic abuse. "Guns in volatile situations enhance the potential for lethality," coalition spokeswoman Judy Yupcavage said. State Rep. Dick Stevenson (R., Mercer) proposed allowing those with valid concealed-weapons permits to buy guns without having to go through the criminal-background checks required of all gun purchasers.

Another gun-rights bill would eliminate a gun-sales database maintained by the state police. Among the lawmakers joining to support the gun-rights proposals was one facing gun-related charges that could cost him his job and possibly put him in jail.

State Sen. Bob Regola (R., Westmoreland) has been charged with illegal possession of a weapon by a minor, fraud, and perjury stemming from a case last year involving a teenage neighbor who authorities say used Regola's 9mm handgun to kill himself.

"I am a strong believer in the Second Amendment," Regola said when asked whether his appearance at the rally was appropriate given the circumstances. "We have a right to bear arms."

Neither Cruz's bill nor the expanded gun-rights bills, which did not move during the last session, when Republicans controlled the House, is expected to reach a floor vote.

State Rep. Dwight Evans, the highest-ranking Democrat from Philadelphia in the state House, has led efforts for what he calls "sensible" handgun restrictions to combat rising violence in Philadelphia and elsewhere.

He said he hoped that with Rendell's support he could get a package of bills enacted, including one limiting handgun purchases to one a month.

"There's a mood change going on here and the [gun-rights supporters] are trying to deny it," said Evans, who also is running for Philadelphia mayor. "There's going to be a vote on this issue."
 

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First of all they are sending a pretty bad image of gunowners. Second they make us look like idiots by using hung instead of hanged. (I was always corrected on that one).
 
Dumb, dumb, dumb. Some dumba$$ thinks he's a modern day son of liberty and waxes poetic with a pointless ("dumb") sign. Fodder for the antis and annoying at best to those fence-sitters who might be swayed our way.

It was on the local news tonight. Not one reference to gun rights (the real issue), but a 5 minute segment on how these gun nuts are borderline racists, State Police conducting investigation, yada, yada, yada.

Dumb!
 
There are several traitors giving quotes in that article that the banner's saying should also apply to. I'm sorry you two feel the way you do, but these power-hungry madmen need to be reminded of the ultimate price for trampling on liberty.
 
And I also find it ridiculous that you have "Live free, or die" in your signature you don't seem to support such a concept. They were exercising their freedom to remind the tyrant of the punishment for treason.
 
Yeah not the smartest move, and doesn't paint RKBA supporters in the best of light... BUT... the "tree of liberty" phrase itself is firmly entrenched in U.S. history.

*** were they supposed to say? "Beaten to death with a branch that is cut off from the tree of liberty." "Suffocated by leaves racked up from under the tree of liberty." No, those aren't sufficent.

Our founding fathers we're pretty quick to call for the death of tyrants as part of their political rhetoric. Hell, what these guys in PA did was tame compared to some of the writings/actions of Thomas Paine (a great American hero).

So basically, screw'em if they can't take a joke ;) Grow some thicker skin, damn PC liberals.

And heck, hanging is used today in many states to excute prisoners on death row. Some of the prisoners are white, black, latino, indian, etc. So is the state use of hanging inherently racist regardless of the race of the prisoner being hung? Bah, liberal logic knows no reason.
 
In a list e-mailed to me by a friend in Brooklyn entitled "25 things you need to know while traveling in the South," one of the entries was:

Always remember that "He needed killin" IS a viable legal defense in the South.

These guys have to realize that PA isn't South.


All joking aside, with friends like that.... you know the rest.


This only illustrates why sound tactics and taking the High Road gets you a lot further than bravado.

-- John
 
All joking aside, with friends like that.... you know the rest.


This only illustrates why sound tactics and taking the High Road gets you a lot further than bravado.

-- John

I wasn't aware that "taking the high road" meant kissing the boots of tyrants and asking them permission to exercise your rights. Or begging for them to acknowledge your rights.
 
"Cruz, who is of Puerto Rican ancestry, is a member of the Black Caucus."

Huh?

Maybe I, a white male, should run for office and try to become a member of the Milwaukee area's Black Caucus.
 
Yep, you can try the Black Caucus or AIPAC... Either will get you a summary, "No".
 
I believe that anytime we do or say anything that will, or may, be in the public eye, we need to stop, take a deep breath, and consider the consequences. While we might agree with the sentiments of the sign and while we may understand it's historical roots, all it really did was give the antis more "ammo" to use against us. Personal attacks against anyone, let alone lawmakers, is unproductive at best.
 
I think some politicians need to know that they literally deserve to be hanged. What is the big deal? There are liberals who paint swastikas on Bush posters. And frankly, they are right too.
 
What does that say about Americans if they don't know the history behind it? Nothing good.
 
I wasn't aware that "taking the high road" meant kissing the boots of tyrants and asking them permission to exercise your rights. Or begging for them to acknowledge your rights.

And I don't either. I am saying that we ARE in a PR war, whether we wish to admit it or not. I am saying that the same essential message could have been conveyed without giving ammunition to our opponents.

You'd be hard pressed to find an example here where I've advocated asking permission or begging for any of our rights. You may, however, find a few where I've advocated the use of tact, carefully crafted messages, and tactics that support and compound one another.

Think about it.

There was a "Klan" protest in a city in my state recently. They came in full hoods, carrying crosses, and the whole ball of wax. They had signs just about on the caliber as that one.

I don't think it surprises anyone here when I tell you that they didn't fair well in the "hearts and minds" department. How long will it be that gunowners are seen in the same light? Afterall, they have a willing ally in the media to insure that message is delivered.

I applaude their conviction and the fact that they DID do something. That is more than most can say. However, I would have liked to see a more effective use of that energy.


All the best.


-- John
 
What a stupid tactic by that individual. There's something called PR. In order to win, we need to convince the fence sitters that the Cruz's of the world are idiots and wrong. This makes things harder for us.
 
Outlaws: ...And why does hanging always have to be racist?
In todays PC world anything that a minority doesn't like is automatically classified as "racist". Why? Because they can get away with it and use it to deflect attention away from the real issue.
 
In todays PC world anything that a minority doesn't like is automatically classified as "racist". Why? Because they can get away with it and use it to deflect attention away from the real issue.

Yup, if he was white, no one would care.

(just so people dont think IM racist, I am about 1/2 Spanish. :) )
 
Protesters were white, and the Congressmen are black/Hispanic. The white protesters carried a sign stating the black congressman should be hung by a tree. Hmmm, doesn't sound racist at all.
 
Plenty of whites have been hung from trees. There's no racial overtone in it at all.

BTW, hung is acceptable in certain parts of the country. Hanged just sounds weird to me.
 
That from a guy who is a "crazed SS." Why the Nazi affiliation SS?

Crazed
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS

Oh wait... maybe you're particular SS stands for Sunny San Diego?

Context is everything. For an American Citizen to not understand the "tree of liberty" reference is a true shame. No racism at all, just some fed up citizens using the rhetoric of our founding fathers -- how terroristic of them.
 
I usually post on car message boards. SS = Super Sport. I used to drive a Camaro SS w/ all the fixins, but I bought a Corvette recently, so maybe I could get my username changed to Crazed_Z06 :)

lol.. Im not a Nazi, Im Black..See? :)
Probably the reason you'll usually see me taking a different POV in most of the threads here that deal with race.
 
I would not have written a sign like that but I don't have a problem with somebody doing it. Frankly, people need to toughen up some. If they hadn't bitched about this sign they would have bitched about something else. There are to many cry babies in america today.
 
That may be the case, but I swear that every time I see your name I instantly think of Nazi storm troopers and the SS insignia. Your user name smacks of a white supremists -- at least that is the automatic association that occurs to me.

It may not be the way you intend it, but that's my preception.

See how that goes? Those fellows in PA are probably very much like you. They took an action with the purest of motives, with no 'hidden' agenda or meaning. But people like you (and I don't use the term "like you" in reference to your color), have a knee-jerk reaction about how they MUST be racist.

You miss the obvious context.

http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2074
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson

That was true when Jefferson said it, and it is true today. I'm guessing by tyrants he means politicians, and the race of a tyranical politician doesn't mean diddley squat to those who are losing their unalienable human rights.
 
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