Border Patrol union boss: Tighter border won't help

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Border Patrol union boss: Tighter border won't help
By Timothy Pratt <[email protected]>
Las Vegas Sun
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/business/2006/may/29/566644384.html

The head of the labor union that represents U.S. Border Patrol agents said Sunday the sweeping immigration reform bill passed by the Senate last week will do little to stop the "revolving door" he sees daily along the nation's border.

In his first public speech since passage of the Senate's bill, T.J. Bonner told a Las Vegas gathering of those opposed to illegal immigration that lawmakers had created "amnesty on steroids."

After describing what he considers decades of failed policies, Bonner said the solution isn't more Border Patrol agents, National Guard troops, technology or walls on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The answer, he said, is to "turn off the employer magnet ¦ (and) focus on the reason people are crossing borders."

Bonner is president of the National Border Patrol Council, representing 10,500 rank-and-file agents. He spoke to about 220 people from around the nation attending the second annual Unite to Fight Summit, held this weekend at Cashman Center.

The event drew dozens of protesters Saturday, but Sunday's gathering seemed to attract less controversy.

After taking the stage to a standing ovation, Bonner, a 28-year veteran of the Border Patrol, said measures to harden the border proposed by President Bush in recent weeks or contained in the Senate bill would accomplish little.

His remarks were greeted with frequent applause and huzzahs, bringing the event the atmosphere of a religious revival.

On sending 6,000 National Guard troops to the border: "It's great to have help, but they're only going to be able to do so much," and in some cases may wind up slowing the Border Patrol down.

On building 370 miles of wall, as proposed by the Senate: "There are four ways to get around a wall - go under it, over it, around it or through it."

Further, the Senate's proposal to offer a path to legalization for many of the nation's estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants was doing little more than "rewarding someone for breaking the law."

He also said he believed there were closer to 20 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, and that the very discussion of relief for them is already prompting more people to cross the border in hopes of taking advantage of future legislation.

The Border Patrol has apprehended about 10 percent more border-crossers since March than during comparable periods in recent years, he said.

This is the same phenomenon that occurred in 1986, when President Ronald Reagan offered amnesty to immigrants in the country illegally.

The answer, he said, is to create stiffer penalties for employers who hire undocumented workers, and developing a counterfeit-proof Social Security card.

He also said he "refuse(s) to believe that Americans are not willing to take the jobs (that immigrants fill) - if employers paid a decent wage."

As for the House bill that now must be reconciled with the Senate bill, its get-tough measures such as making illegal immigration a felony, while they wouldn't help get to the root of the problem - jobs for immigrants - would "at least not exacerbate the situation."

In the end, however, Bonner, the man who represents the thousands who play cat and mouse with millions of immigrants seeking a way into the United States, said "the best thing that can happen is if they (Congress) walk away from this process" - and not pass any bill.

Then he hopes that voters realize that illegal immigration will only be stopped when laws are passed "to cut off the access to jobs."

Timothy Pratt can be reached at 259-8828 or [email protected].
 
I think he's right, and it should be interesting to see populist energy collide with the business community. I think illegal alien employers are going to become persona non grata in a lot of places in the months ahead.
 
He is right.

But I still think we need more and better walls and fences, and we should be assigning regular army units to patrol the border, not a handful of national guardsmen in "support" roles to (nominally) assist the Border Patrol.
 
But I still think we need more and better walls and fences, and we should be assigning regular army units to patrol the border, not a handful of national guardsmen in "support" roles to (nominally) assist the Border Patrol.

I agree, stop the hiring, fence/wall and troops, this will become even more
necessary in coming years as south america countries crumble.
 
And again I say, until the Administration stops supporting illegal immigration there isn't any hope of getting it under control. The current crop in the White House and Congress has cut money to investigate and punish companies that hire illegal aliens. As long as there are no consequences they will continue to pay low wages for workers who can never complain about substandard treatment. As long as the official government policy is to lower wages by encouraging illegals there will be no consequences.
 
I agree with G. Liddy on this one, mandatory jail time for employing illegals. Even if it's just 24 hours, not many business owners want to do jail time. And it has to be mandatory, nobody gets off for any reason.

JTMcC.
 
Just a thought, the united states is not a signatory to the landmine ban, if it works keeping the north koreans out of south korea, why the heck can't it keep our borders secure.

If we mined the border, I bet illegal immigration would be cut in half if not more. just from the deterent.

landmines are forever.
 
Ajax, that is a really disgusting idea. Round them up and send them back? Sure. Imprison them? Depends. But maim and kill for attempting to evade customs and immigration? You either don't know what you are talking about or you have no conscience. I'm really hoping it's the former. If it's the latter it's frightening to think that you can own repeating firearms.
 
If the miserable, ongoing, disastrous, utter failure commonly known as the "War on Drugs" has taught us anything, it's that you can't stop something by shutting off the supply. If demand is present, supply will find a way. Stopping the demand is the only way to stop the transaction.
 
You have to attack the problem at both ends, supply and demand. A more radical solution would be to make Mexico a real country instead of the plutocratic failed state that it currently is.
 
Knowingly employing illegal aliens about the ONLY instance where I would support forfeiture of the buisness and all its assets after criminal conviction. Liquid financial assets perhaps divided up among the legal employees (if there are any) as severance for the loss of employment, the real non-monetary assets crushed to ruble and the remains recycled or landfilled. Any IP assets are cast into the public relm akin to expired patents. This would go along with time in prison for the buisness owner or officers.

That should pretty much take care of the demand end.

Build the freaking fence, and as I've said in the past make it extremely painful and dangerous to breach as a start. If illegals still endeavor to cross, then harsher measures are called for.

End ALL entitlement benefits outside of true emergency medical, and that only long enough to stabilize the illegal for transport back to the country of origin. No WIC, no Food Stamps, no seat in the public schools, "We ain't gonna give them no nothing".
And again I say, until the Administration stops supporting illegal immigration there isn't any hope of getting it under control. The current crop in the White House and Congress has cut money to investigate and punish companies that hire illegal aliens.
Agreed. Its time to start looking in depth at the service record of our employees in this matter. If they have in ANY way aided this invasion, its time to fire their sorry <insert desert equines>. The entire House is up for review in November, and 33 of the Senate as well.
 
Something to think about

I don't believe the federal courts have the capacity for thousands of new immigration related cases. Not only that, but filling judge seats is so political that the confirmation backlog runs into years. Lacking the capacity for due process, it won't do much good to think of ways to punish employers and illegal immigrants. A high profile example or two might be all that is realistic.
 
I don't believe the federal courts have the capacity for thousands of new immigration related cases. Not only that, but filling judge seats is so political that the confirmation backlog runs into years. Lacking the capacity for due process, it won't do much good to think of ways to punish employers and illegal immigrants. A high profile example or two might be all that is realistic.

They can be hit with very high fines and other forms of punishment. That won't burden courts as much. Make it mandatory to have their business posted in the media that they are law breakers.

To legally receive a "do business as" name in my county your name and details need to be posted in a paper for two weeks in an anouncement. Something like this isn't to far fetched. In certain locals I'm not sure if that would matter as much though. It's just an idea.
 
I just can't figure out how it would be so hard to lock down the southern border if we brought home all the military people and equipment from Iraq, Germany, Japan, Korea, and a hundred other places ... :rolleyes:

OTOH, I do not understand why it is right to force employers to enforce the laws that the fed.gov is not enforcing themselves :confused:
 
Employers hiring illegals: First offense--fine them 5-25% of gross yearly business income (NOT profit) per illegal hired for first offense. Second offense & after--fine plus 2yrs Fed pen for each illegal employed.

Illegal alien/ coyotes: First offense-- seize all property & possessions for deportation costs. Implant a RFID chip in them and deport. If they attempt to re-enter the country illegally, send to Guantanimo Bay for interrogation as enemy combatants and execution.
 
employers

I had the dubious pleasure of working for a guy that ran a tent rental company during the summers. For a long time, I could not understand why there was a new tent crew every 2 weeks. When it came time to pay them, he would fire the whole crew who were always illegals. He said that since they were illegal, they would not dare to sue him or complain. I wonder how many other employers do the same thing.:uhoh:
 
"I think illegal alien employers are going to become persona non grata in a lot of places in the months ahead."

I run a construction company, and although I don't hire illegals, I do suffer for it. I am not as competitive as those who don't pay taxes and work comp, lower wages, etc for their labor. Unfortunately, these companies don't put signs up advertising who works for them. If you buy on price, you probably just bought something made with illegal/offshore labor. Shop at Walmart lately?

Business will change when the Majority of Americans change their buying habits. If you think the members responding to this thread represent the majority of Americans, well...:uhoh:
 
Funny - I've tried to make the point several times that any feasible wall or fence is a waste of time and money that won't work and wouldn't be needed if we changed the cost benefit equation, and was roundly denoundced as a know-nothing hinterland-dweller who didn't understand the border so couldn't have a valid opinion.

Strange that a leader in the BP would then say exactly the same thing.

No doubt the fencebuilders will say he's a commie union stooge or something - anything rather than address the actual point.
 
I don't believe the federal courts have the capacity for thousands of new immigration related cases. Not only that, but filling judge seats is so political that the confirmation backlog runs into years. Lacking the capacity for due process, it won't do much good to think of ways to punish employers and illegal immigrants. A high profile example or two might be all that is realistic.

...which is why our irresponsible illegal immigration policies are a) going to mean the de-legitimizing of the legal process and b) encourage extra-legal "solutions." Our Government has, wittingly or unwittingly, set anarchy in motion.
 
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