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Boston gun banner in trouble with BATFE

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(It turns out that Alan Gottlieb, the foundation's founder and the guy who thinks I should be fired for unethical conduct, was convicted in 1984 for filing a false tax return, a felony. His right to possess a gun was later restored through an ATF program that gave felons a second chance. Gottlieb says the case should have been a civil matter; he says he settled the case for $18,000. But that's another story.)
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Nice red herring thrown in there by Bailey. Not really about guns other then the after effects of a felony.
 
oh boy. i just got this from a u.s. attorney who read the story, and i will paraphrase that person's comments:

*Globeboy not only violated 18 USC 922 (5 yrs prison max) by inducing a straw purchase (as well as liability under 18 USC 2 for aiding and abetting, and 18 USC 371 for conspiracy (another 5 yrs prison) to do so)

* He also committed a violation of 18 USC 924(n) by crossing a state line to commit the illegal firearms transaction in another State (max 10 yrs imprisonment for that)...

* ... Which in turn is a Specified Unlawful Activity under 18 USC 1956 (20 yrs and/or $500K fine), meaning the reporter and the Boston Globe have each committed federal money laundering crimes.

* If Globeboy filed his news copy or expense reports by mail or telephone or fax, one could also add mail fraud under 18 USC 1341 and wire fraud (18 USC 1343) (both types of fraud --up to 20 yrs).

ouch. aren't you glad we have such tough gun laws. :evil: all up to the folks at regional HQ to see if this goes through, tho.
 
Do you think he'd be so supportive of "tougher" gun laws while serving 25 years in the Federal Pen?
 
You have got to enjoy the irony when someone that champions that there is not enough gun laws or laws in general finds out that there is in fact far too many laws and very strict ones at that. So many laws that any single act is a violation of multiple statutes that makes double jeopardy an understatement. For a single crime he can be charged with so many crimes that he is bound to get snagged for something.

Lets see if he feels there is not enough laws, and the procedures are not complex enough after he serves a lengthy prison sentence.
 
Very probably nothing will come of all this, but the irony IS nice. The anti-gun guy not only proves that gun laws don't work, but winds up at least getting hassled by the feds for breaking them. :)
Marty
 
I know of cases, where wife’s who’s crime in MASS was to drive the car of the husband who forgot to take out some ammo out of his car.
These woman were arrested and send to jail!!
Globeboy should feel the same love!!

But what scares me is the "uniform national gun laws" idea!
 
I disagree with the lawyeer in the first link who says that since the gun was purchased to facilitate a news story it is ok. If I was to purchase guns here in Illinois and start giving them to friends out of state, would he be ok with that? I mean it is for another reason such as a birthday gift or some other nonsense, so he should be ok with it since I am not going to be the won keeping it.
 
I would be very...

surprised if the reporter is actually charged with anything. He wrote an anti-gun story in an anti-gun state run by anti-gun politicians. His employer buys ink by the barrel... nothing will happen.

migoi
 
I don't think anything will happen either. Although the reporter states that "he bought a gun for me," the context of the story is more that he paid someone to buy a gun so that he could write a column about it.

Here is a rephrase: X crosses state line, gives Y money to buy a gun, and then writes about it how easy it was for Y to buy a gun for himself with someone else's money. It wasn't a straw purchase since X did not take possession of the gun.
 
The real hoot is that he's making a big deal about being able to buy as gun in "less than 20 minutes". So? That's what it means when they talk about an instant background check. What, do they think that by making the FFL holder stay on the phone for two hours or maybe having him make the 5 minute call tomorrow the person will either magically become a felon or have his record whisked clean by the powers that be?

Give me a break. For real. I'll tell you what: in Pennsylvania it takes longer to fill out the forms than it does for the check. It takes almost as long to run the card. And do you know why? Because the system, ta-da... works as advertised. That any government system works with that degree of efficiency is no small miracle in and of itself, but that it should be for guns is simply astounding.

But hey, let's gum up the works with appeals to emotion about the "under 20 minutes" gun purchase, because the average person knows squat about the process. Let's make it scary for the people that don't know that this is how it is supposed to work. Let's panic the schlubs that think that the long ago proposed and discarded waiting period is in effect. That's in effect what this guy is doing. And people buy it hook, line, and sinker.

It's no wonder why we're always fighting for our rights. We're engaged in a battle of wits with the witless.
 
I disagree with the lawyeer in the first link who says that since the gun was purchased to facilitate a news story it is ok.
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Works for me! We all set up online journals and conduct our own stings a couple of times a year. Just to keep tabs on how well the system is working and all that.
 
I might point out a few things about the situation at hand. First, a lot of guff has been made that he and the other person who did this will never be charged because they're anti-gunners in an anti-gun state writing for an anti-gun paper and leader of a gun control group (respectively).

The crime did not, however, occur on Massachusetts soil. It happened in New Hampshire soil, which means Massachusetts machine politics don't matter much of diddly. :)
 
I know of cases, where wife’s who’s crime in MASS was to drive the car of the husband who forgot to take out some ammo out of his car.
These woman were arrested and send to jail!!
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Any specific examples of that? :mad:

This took place in New Hampshire.

Massachusetts is irrelevant to the crime.
 
Lonnie is right here. This crime happened in New Hampshire, I'm working the story and I encourage ALL of you to drift on over to KeepAndBearArms.com and click on Alan Gottlieb's response to the piece that Bailey did in the Globe on Friday.
Here's something that Bailey isn't thinking about and that Alan G. pointed out quite specifically: SAF doesn't issue search warrants, judges do."
The investigators took this case to a judge, the judge issued a warrant. Bailey can act as cocky as he wants. So what if his attorneys say he's got no problems? Attorneys ALWAYS say that because they're not the ones who will go to jail.
 
oh boy. i just got this from a u.s. attorney who read the story, and i will paraphrase that person's comments:

*Globeboy not only violated 18 USC 922 (5 yrs prison max) by inducing a straw purchase (as well as liability under 18 USC 2 for aiding and abetting, and 18 USC 371 for conspiracy (another 5 yrs prison) to do so)

* He also committed a violation of 18 USC 924(n) by crossing a state line to commit the illegal firearms transaction in another State (max 10 yrs imprisonment for that)...

* ... Which in turn is a Specified Unlawful Activity under 18 USC 1956 (20 yrs and/or $500K fine), meaning the reporter and the Boston Globe have each committed federal money laundering crimes.

* If Globeboy filed his news copy or expense reports by mail or telephone or fax, one could also add mail fraud under 18 USC 1341 and wire fraud (18 USC 1343) (both types of fraud --up to 20 yrs).
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Seems to me the problem isn't with the laws . They are there ( over 20,000 of them ). The problem seems to be with enforcement . i know this is redundant in this forum but it is just getting frustrating ,having to sit by and witness the inane politicians and media work the system so they can further their agenda. while our rights and liberties are slowly eroded because they won't do their job.
 
MDW GUNS said:
I know of cases, where wife’s who’s crime in MASS was to drive the car of the husband who forgot to take out some ammo out of his car.
These woman were arrested and send to jail!!
Globeboy should feel the same love!!
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I know NYC, NJ, and DC have laws against ammunition, but I didn't think Massachusetts did (and as a cross-border commuter, this is a real issue for me) - could you cite the cases so I can pursue this further?
 
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