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I certainly prefer the non rail version but most of today goes for this .
I certainly prefer the non rail version but most of today goes for this .
Boy , all these rails look sharpy to the touch
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The rifle of choice for
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Seriously I also really prefer traditional wood to rails and I wish they made all-wood furniture stock sets for AR-15s.
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Seriously I also really prefer traditional wood to rails and I wish they made all-wood furniture stock sets for AR-15s.
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I was thinking walnut...Can you also make a wooden HK91 wide forend with metal heat shielding on the inside?
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But with wood it's harder to do these:
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I prefer a classic and streamlined look. I'll leave the tactical gear to the actual special-forces operators. Just give me good iron sights and a solid, comfortable stock. I prefer the look of walnut and blued steel over tactical accessories and rails any day.
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Wood on an AR wouldn't be too great methinks, the wood would start to feel funny after about 200 rounds.
The original M4-Carbine fore-end is pretty streamlined and rail-free, and so are the handguards on many HK's.
The original M4-Carbine fore-end is pretty streamlined and rail-free, and so are the handguards on many HK's.
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Nonsense
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It's a matter of personal preference, no more and no less...completely down to the individual. With that said, if H20Man wanted to give me one of his railed-out rifles, I wouldn't exactly object.
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THE FOLLOWING ITEMS DO NOT NEED A FORWARD RAILS TO BE ATTACHED AND REMOVED EASILY.
IF YOU NEED TO ATTACH THE LASER SETS AND FLASHLIGHTS, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO WITHOUT A RAIL. BUT, HEY.....THOUGHT I SHOULD LEAVE SOMETHING UP.
CHOO CHOOO!!! CHOO CHOOOO!
IF YOU NEED TO ATTACH THE LASER SETS AND FLASHLIGHTS, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO WITHOUT A RAIL. BUT, HEY.....THOUGHT I SHOULD LEAVE SOMETHING UP.
CHOO CHOOO!!! CHOO CHOOOO!
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Rails are very useful. I mount a light on all of my rifles. You wouldn't believe how handy a good light can be. If something goes bump in the night I ALWAYS grab something with a light attached whether it's a pistol, shotgun, or my AR. Yup … I even put a light on my shotgun.
I'd say that rails are definitely an improvement. You can use rail guards to take the jaggedness out of the rail. Actually I believe that most people use them since they also protect the rail. Vertical foregrips are nice and very easy to mount to a rail (without adaptors).
My father has a full auto Colt with the carry handle and the plastic forend. He LOVES my ARs because of the rails and the flat top. They are just more versatile. For instance I’m always setting up tiny targets at different distances while he’s shooting much larger closer targets. He’ll look over and ask, “can I put that sight on mine”? Then I’ll rig one up like shown below. It’s not at all ideal, but it works.
I very much prefer it this way:
With a flat top you can mount the scope/sight much lower therefore there will be MUCH less discrepancy between your ‘line of sight’ with your point of impact at closer ranges. If you love having a carry handle on top you can attach one. You can remove it quickly and throw on a 1x red dot or even a magnified scope.
I'd say that rails are definitely an improvement. You can use rail guards to take the jaggedness out of the rail. Actually I believe that most people use them since they also protect the rail. Vertical foregrips are nice and very easy to mount to a rail (without adaptors).
My father has a full auto Colt with the carry handle and the plastic forend. He LOVES my ARs because of the rails and the flat top. They are just more versatile. For instance I’m always setting up tiny targets at different distances while he’s shooting much larger closer targets. He’ll look over and ask, “can I put that sight on mine”? Then I’ll rig one up like shown below. It’s not at all ideal, but it works.
I very much prefer it this way:
With a flat top you can mount the scope/sight much lower therefore there will be MUCH less discrepancy between your ‘line of sight’ with your point of impact at closer ranges. If you love having a carry handle on top you can attach one. You can remove it quickly and throw on a 1x red dot or even a magnified scope.
Not to mention you have to duct tape a pillow to the buttstock on the first one to get a cheek weld.
My rails bit me last night, I was considering taking them off and putting on the factory furniture back on. They call it a buddy system for a reason. Once it pinched the poop out of my hand, I told her "fine... I'll leave the rails on" so yes, there are indeed evil black rails in existence!
My rails bit me last night, I was considering taking them off and putting on the factory furniture back on. They call it a buddy system for a reason. Once it pinched the poop out of my hand, I told her "fine... I'll leave the rails on" so yes, there are indeed evil black rails in existence!
Yeah. Sharp rails? Use rail covers.
As far as the need for rails, most rifles and most users don't need them. Most of us put a flashlight and a vert grip on at most, and you can do that just as easily with a rail section and some screws into the handguards.
However, having rails gives you the flexibility to put stuff where you want it, and move it around to suit your needs. If you change your flashlight and you secured it via a rail section and some screws, you are now forced to either put it back in the same place, or re-mount the rail someplace else. Not the end of the world, but a PITA if you do it several times over the life of the rifle.
If you consider that really good rail kits are very light (the DD rail is comparable in weight to the handguards it replaces), non-bulky, free-float and rock solid, they make a lot of sense. get a solid, light rail, some rail covers, and the only drawback is the cost.
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As far as the need for rails, most rifles and most users don't need them. Most of us put a flashlight and a vert grip on at most, and you can do that just as easily with a rail section and some screws into the handguards.
However, having rails gives you the flexibility to put stuff where you want it, and move it around to suit your needs. If you change your flashlight and you secured it via a rail section and some screws, you are now forced to either put it back in the same place, or re-mount the rail someplace else. Not the end of the world, but a PITA if you do it several times over the life of the rifle.
If you consider that really good rail kits are very light (the DD rail is comparable in weight to the handguards it replaces), non-bulky, free-float and rock solid, they make a lot of sense. get a solid, light rail, some rail covers, and the only drawback is the cost.
Mike
NIN, you can also do a gooseneck mount to put the red dot in front of the carry handle and low, where it should be. It looks odd, but I've used one and it works fine. The flat top is the better set up, of course, but the gooseneck is a very workable solution.
deepskyy writes:
Mike
deepskyy writes:
You can't even do that. The charging handle prevents it.
Mike
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It looks great. They seem like they should be excellent rifles.
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Take a pocket knife. Useful, intuitive, functional. Add another blade, or three. Add scissors, can openers, two or three kinds of screwdrivers, tweezers, picks, saw, and awl. Put holes with reeds in the middle so it can be played as a harmonica. Now it does lots of jobs. Sort of. I prefer a knife with one serious blade which CUTS things.
Take a basic rifle. Add scope sight(s), laser sight, holo sight, magnifier, IR sight, flip-up sight, spotlight, IR iluminator, forward grips, bipod, sight camera..... Now it does lots of things I never intend to do. Shoot someone with that contraption and self defense will look like premeditated murder to any jury.
Give me a sturdy16 inch barrel. Something which balances well, goes around corners quickly, and can be held comfortably in any position. Maybe old A-1 style handguards which give more tactile feedback. That is task-specific to home defense, IMHO.
Take a pocket knife. Useful, intuitive, functional. Add another blade, or three. Add scissors, can openers, two or three kinds of screwdrivers, tweezers, picks, saw, and awl. Put holes with reeds in the middle so it can be played as a harmonica. Now it does lots of jobs. Sort of. I prefer a knife with one serious blade which CUTS things.
Take a basic rifle. Add scope sight(s), laser sight, holo sight, magnifier, IR sight, flip-up sight, spotlight, IR iluminator, forward grips, bipod, sight camera..... Now it does lots of things I never intend to do. Shoot someone with that contraption and self defense will look like premeditated murder to any jury.
Give me a sturdy16 inch barrel. Something which balances well, goes around corners quickly, and can be held comfortably in any position. Maybe old A-1 style handguards which give more tactile feedback. That is task-specific to home defense, IMHO.
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