noelf2
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..at Buffalo Arms. Scheutzen 1F through 4F.
BP in stock!!
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CoalCrackerAl
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I stopped at Cabela's in Hamburg Pa today. They had all the pyrodex flavors. And tripple 7.
Driftwood Johnson
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Buffalo Arms is a great outfit. I have bought all kinds of Black Powder supplies from them over the years.
Schuetzen is all I use these days, I like it better than Goex, it burns a little bit cleaner. I always use Schuetzen FFg. I notice that Buffalo Arms seems to have Fg, FFFg, and FFFFg in stock, but no FFg. If I wuz ordering some today, I would go with FFFg.
I usually buy my powder from Maine Powder House. A friend and I split a carton of 25 pounds every few years. I just checked, and they have Schuetzen Fg, FFg, and FFFg in stock.
https://mainepowderhouse.com/shop/
Buffalo Arms is a great outfit. I have bought all kinds of Black Powder supplies from them over the years.
Schuetzen is all I use these days, I like it better than Goex, it burns a little bit cleaner. I always use Schuetzen FFg. I notice that Buffalo Arms seems to have Fg, FFFg, and FFFFg in stock, but no FFg. If I wuz ordering some today, I would go with FFFg.
I usually buy my powder from Maine Powder House. A friend and I split a carton of 25 pounds every few years. I just checked, and they have Schuetzen Fg, FFg, and FFFg in stock.
https://mainepowderhouse.com/shop/
Blackpowderwarrior
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How long would it take you to go through 30 lbs driftwood?
Driftwood Johnson
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I said 25 pounds, not 30. As I said, I split the carton with a friend, so 12 or 13 pounds each. In normal (pre-pandemic) times we would order another 25 pounds every year. I have not shot much in the last two years, still have powder left over from the last batch.
Blackpowderwarrior
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Itll take me a long while to shoot out my stock of 3F. If i ever do run out i look forward to supporting Estes energetics.
RKRCPA
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I took delivery of 10lbs of FFFG Schuetzen on Friday. That will hold me for quite some time.
For me, between active competition, practice and instruction, about 8 months, tops.
Blackpowderwarrior
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Dave you are the powder monster!
brewer12345
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I think I would have to start snorting it to use that much.
Blackpowderwarrior
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Thats the real go fast!
It's simple math. I supply 2 58cal muskets, 2 1863 Sharps, 1 58cal carbine, 1 69cal musket, 2 50cal round ball guns and a 50/70.
30lb=210,000gr. Average shot consumes 60gr so 210,000/60=3500 shots. Divide that across 8 guns and that's only about 430 shots per gun. In reality I shoot some more than others and some consume more powder but the average math holds. There are 6 competitions I attend each year. Each weekend, I try to make it to the range to practice with at least 3 of the guns. Keep that up and powder goes fast. One lb won't hold me through a range trip.
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I have no doubt a competitor would burn that much. As a casual shooter and hunter who has to drive an hour each way to shoot BP, there is no way I will ever come close. 5 pounds a year is plenty.
I'm a member of a local range and it's less than 10min from the front door.
LaneP
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When you're shooting big charges it goes fast. I can burn up a third of a pound on a typical range trip with my Walker.
Contrast that with my go-to load in 9mm which is 5 gr CFE-P and a 124 gr cast bullet--1400 shots to a pound.
Contrast that with my go-to load in 9mm which is 5 gr CFE-P and a 124 gr cast bullet--1400 shots to a pound.
earlthegoat2
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I’ve never really been a black powder guy but the little bit of hoarder in me got the better of me when Goex shut down and I bought 10 lbs.
I figured it has a good shelf life and I had just bought a .58 Hawken caplock.
Glad to see some has been imported until the old Goex plant is up and running again….hopefully.
I figured it has a good shelf life and I had just bought a .58 Hawken caplock.
Glad to see some has been imported until the old Goex plant is up and running again….hopefully.
You DO know that other folks besides Goex make the holy black? Just sayin, for me it's Swiss and Schuetzen all the way. Goex didn't deign to reply to requests for support for youth black powder programs so I've taken the position of if they don't care about kids, I don't care about them. Hello Swiss.
Blackpowderwarrior
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Dave,
I love you brother but i was waiting for you to say that. I want you to know i spoke with the ceo of estes and voiced our concerns about everything including your situation.
He re assured me they would keep reaching out to us shooters and touching base with us.
I know you are bitter and resentful toward Goex Dave but give Estes a chance.
Estes isnt Hodgdon brother. Its a whole new world
Driftwood Johnson
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Interesting that they have changed the bottle. I have bought Schuetzen for years and it always came in a black bottle with the spout in the middle. It does not show up too well in this photo, but Schuetzen is made in Germany by WANO Schwarzpulver. (My German is rusty but I think Schwarzpulver means Black Powder) This is the same company that makes Swiss Black Powder. Schuetzen uses a better grade of charcoal than Goex and I have always felt it fouls a little bit less than Goex because of the better charcoal. The price of Schuetzen vs Goex has varied over the years, but they have always been approximately the same, give or take a little. As opposed to Swiss which is considerably more expensive. That is why with the amount of powder I (usually) go through every year I stick with Schuetzen and do not buy the more expensive Swiss.
Yup, if you do much shooting, you go through a lot of Black Powder. My standard Smokeless load for 45 Colt is 7.5 grains of Unique.
There are 7,000 grains to a pound, so I can get about 933 cartridges from a pound of Unique.
At about 35.5 grains of Schuetzen FFg per cartridge I can only get about 200 loads out of a pound of Schuetzen. At a normal CAS match I will go through 60 rounds of 45 Colt, 60 rounds of 44-40, and about 30 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun, also loaded with Schuetzen. I usually attend a bunch of matches every year, so I go through a fair amount of Black Powder.
Interesting that they have changed the bottle. I have bought Schuetzen for years and it always came in a black bottle with the spout in the middle. It does not show up too well in this photo, but Schuetzen is made in Germany by WANO Schwarzpulver. (My German is rusty but I think Schwarzpulver means Black Powder) This is the same company that makes Swiss Black Powder. Schuetzen uses a better grade of charcoal than Goex and I have always felt it fouls a little bit less than Goex because of the better charcoal. The price of Schuetzen vs Goex has varied over the years, but they have always been approximately the same, give or take a little. As opposed to Swiss which is considerably more expensive. That is why with the amount of powder I (usually) go through every year I stick with Schuetzen and do not buy the more expensive Swiss.
Yup, if you do much shooting, you go through a lot of Black Powder. My standard Smokeless load for 45 Colt is 7.5 grains of Unique.
There are 7,000 grains to a pound, so I can get about 933 cartridges from a pound of Unique.
At about 35.5 grains of Schuetzen FFg per cartridge I can only get about 200 loads out of a pound of Schuetzen. At a normal CAS match I will go through 60 rounds of 45 Colt, 60 rounds of 44-40, and about 30 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun, also loaded with Schuetzen. I usually attend a bunch of matches every year, so I go through a fair amount of Black Powder.
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Count yourself lucky.
I'm in "wait and see" mode. Actions speak far louder than words and so far Schuetzen has been deafening and Goex not a chirp.
I'm with you on that. Yes, Schwarzpulver means Black Powder. I have also noticed the difference between regular grade of Goex and Schuetzen in regards to fouling. Back when I used Goex products, I shot Old Eynsford exclusively. Pricewise, it was a bit less expensive than Swiss. That price difference was irrelevant to me because I'm a competition shooter and in testing, Old E and Swiss are consistently the best and very very similar in all other regards. The main reason I settled on Old E was there was a distributor less than 15 miles from my house and it was readily available while Swiss wasn't. All my load development was based on Old E. The distributor was bought out and the new folks ditched any and all black powder products to focus on centerfire only. Well, my main reason for Old E was gone. I still stuck with it because it was a domestic product and my load development centered around it and I could still get kegs/cases at our Nationals. Fast forward a bit, I got into the instruction thing and working with kids and found that Goex didn't support black powder youth shooting while Schuetzen was there front and center. Since I am passionate about working with youth, that settled the Goex v Swiss question in my mind. The little bit extra in dollars I view as a cost to support kids and I'm completely ok with that.
Now as to the difference in regular grades of powder- Goex reenactor/regular/Old E- Schuetzen/Swiss. Yes, the higher grades are more expensive BUT, Old E/Swiss are also more consistent, lower fouling, and more energetic/gr. That means for the extra money spent, you get better fouling control, less powder used per shot, and better accuracy overall. The extra money is a bit of a wash when I use a bit less powder per shot to accomplish the same result. Some folks are price sensitive on the initial purchase without looking at the entire process and the costs associated with use. CAS competition in the most part is like 3gun and accuracy is not top priority. In our competition with Civil War arms, we shoot with a balance of speed and accuracy against the clock. Top accuracy is at a premium because it can make up for a slightly sloppy shot as you're hurrying. In either sport, it's easy to go through quite a bit of powder per year if you're active and practicing.
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Yes, that is why I am satisfied with Schuetzen. CAS targets are big and close up.
Regarding less powder per shot, I still have to put enough powder in the case (45 Colt, 45 Schofield, 44-40, 44 Russian, 38-40) so the bullet compresses the powder the amount I want. So less powder per shot is not really an option with me. Also, I am way less dedicated than you. I don't think I have ever really 'developed' Black Powder cartridge loads. I just dump in the powder and seat and crimp a bullet. Yes, I do crimp my bullets, it is necessary for a lever action rifle. And, I never practice. Cleaning two pistols, a rifle, and a shotgun after a CAS match is plenty of work. So I never practice with my BP loads. I just show up at a match and shoot.
However, I also use Schuetzen in my 45-70 loads for my Sharps and Trapdoor.
I have not been to a long range match with my Sharps in quite a while, and the Trapdoor usually only gets dragged out to a CAS match once a year. Trapdoor targets are not terribly far out either, and Schuetzen seems accurate enough for me.
The interesting thing will be trying the Sharps and the Trapdoor with my new eyes. I was born with eyesight so bad that I could not even see a small target 100 yards away. Just could not see it at all through the aperture sight on my Sharps. So I stopped shooting the Sharps. A couple of years ago I had cataract surgery and now I can see 20-20 in my right eye, and not quite as good in the left. So one of these days it should be interesting to take the Sharps and the Trapdoor down to the range at my club (100 yards) and see what I can do with my new eyes.
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