Jamie C.
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Brent, Rembrandt's gun is a modern in-line MUZZLE-LOADER. It uses the same stuff that any other "front-stuffer" does.. ie. caps, Black Powder, Pyrodex, etc.
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I like the stock coloring but I am not into the sniper type thing. It looks beautiful and very worthy of the pics. Please tell me what it is and how it works as I was thinking it doesn't look like any front stuffer I have seen. What is the bolt for? What does it shoot? The scope throws me off also, what is it's range? Thanks for showing it.
I didn't post this picture earlier as I assumed we wanted only the more traditional bp weapons.
This is my Traditions Lightning, a .50 cal muzzleloading bp rifle. It shoots on a par with my Winchester Model 70 30.06 at 100 yards. The bolt contains the firing pin, or "hammer" that strikes a musket cap on a nipple in the breech, which is closed. It's loaded from the muzzle just like my CVA .50 cal Mountain rifle. I shoot Powerbelt conical rounds with 777 loose powder, about 100 gr of ffg.
This is my Traditions Lightning, a .50 cal muzzleloading bp rifle. It shoots on a par with my Winchester Model 70 30.06 at 100 yards. The bolt contains the firing pin, or "hammer" that strikes a musket cap on a nipple in the breech, which is closed. It's loaded from the muzzle just like my CVA .50 cal Mountain rifle. I shoot Powerbelt conical rounds with 777 loose powder, about 100 gr of ffg.
An Uberti 1873 Cattleman with the Bird's Head Grip.
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oneshooter
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mykeal, there is a difference between a "firing pin" and a "hammer". A firing pin can be struck by the hammer and in turn strikes the primer. Or, a hammer can strike the primer directly.
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Here's a couple of Shootin' Irons with shorter barrels...
Both Piettas, stainless cylinders and nickel plated trigger guard/backstrap (fer easy cleanin'), Buffalo Bros faux ivory on the Colt, GripMaker "Stag" on the Remmie, cut a dovetail for a Marble's bead front sight on the 1860. Got a Kirst Konverter for the Remmie and a R&D "drop-in" for the Colt. Home made loading stand, "Dick Dastardly" cylinder loader. Holster from Rudy Lozano at Black Hills Leather down in Texas.
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Here's a couple of Shootin' Irons with shorter barrels...
Both Piettas, stainless cylinders and nickel plated trigger guard/backstrap (fer easy cleanin'), Buffalo Bros faux ivory on the Colt, GripMaker "Stag" on the Remmie, cut a dovetail for a Marble's bead front sight on the 1860. Got a Kirst Konverter for the Remmie and a R&D "drop-in" for the Colt. Home made loading stand, "Dick Dastardly" cylinder loader. Holster from Rudy Lozano at Black Hills Leather down in Texas.
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Phantom Captain:
Great looking rifle. Was this a kit? Who made the parts? I had to do a double take as it looks very much like mine. I have a Hawken by Sharon in .62 cal. It's a tack driver, or was when I was shooting alot. I use to shoot over 1000 rounds each year with it. Sort of miss those days. Anyway, your dad did a grat job on that rifle.
Great looking rifle. Was this a kit? Who made the parts? I had to do a double take as it looks very much like mine. I have a Hawken by Sharon in .62 cal. It's a tack driver, or was when I was shooting alot. I use to shoot over 1000 rounds each year with it. Sort of miss those days. Anyway, your dad did a grat job on that rifle.
Jamie C.
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Am I the only one curious to see the whole gun here?
C'mon, Brent... don't be a tease. If it was made in 1868 it qualifies as a BP gun, even if it was intended to use BP cartridges.
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Hi Ed21,
Yep, I love it and am totally impressed with it too!
It wasn't a kit, he just did everything from a drawing.
It has a Douglas Barrel .54 purchased in 1974 for $37.50!
Peter Alan Lock, hook breech and breech plug, trigger guard and butt plate
North Star Triggers
Premium Curly Maple stock with 1" inlet from Dixie Gun Works in 1974 for $44.50!! He bought it at Friendship he thinks. Or maybe the barrel was bought at Friendship. Hehe. He doesn't quite remember the details exactly.
He spent just under $200 for everything. This is back in 74 mind you. I was four years old!
It's a shooter! Really really impressive. He did an amazing job. Only took him 30 or so years to finish it. Said raising the family might have gotten in the way.
Wouldn't mind seeing a pic of yours just to compare!
Hi Ed21,
Yep, I love it and am totally impressed with it too!
It wasn't a kit, he just did everything from a drawing.
It has a Douglas Barrel .54 purchased in 1974 for $37.50!
Peter Alan Lock, hook breech and breech plug, trigger guard and butt plate
North Star Triggers
Premium Curly Maple stock with 1" inlet from Dixie Gun Works in 1974 for $44.50!! He bought it at Friendship he thinks. Or maybe the barrel was bought at Friendship. Hehe. He doesn't quite remember the details exactly.
He spent just under $200 for everything. This is back in 74 mind you. I was four years old!
It's a shooter! Really really impressive. He did an amazing job. Only took him 30 or so years to finish it. Said raising the family might have gotten in the way.
Wouldn't mind seeing a pic of yours just to compare!
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Its a snyder enfield. Snyders were originally percussion cap guns fitted with a loadable breech instead of using the muzzle with powder and ball. They used a .577 bullet with a paper or metallic cartridge loaded with BP.
There is a website that allows me to buy snyder cartridges, some guy makes them out of 24 gauge shotshells (brass) and black powder. However they're crazy expensive, and although I would still pay for some, I cannot as I'm across the US border and they won't ship that kind of stuff over.
Anyways, there are more pics on the link below. http://members.shaw.ca/brent_nowell/main/Images/Enfield/
Excuse the trigger lock, but at the time it was the first actual firearm I ever did own, and used it for a while. Nowadays I don't even bother, complete waste of time as cartridges aren't even available for this thing.. Its not even registered, let alone cannot be registered anyways. The government won't register it, even though its a centerfire gun and regardless of when it was made has to be registered... could be the fact that it doesn't even have a serial number lol.
Anyways, I have no idea what its worth, but the bore is 'slightly' rusted with a little bit of pitting. Not too bad for a black powder.
My grandpa used to use it with his friggen dad to hunt! they still had some vintage cartridges back in the 1920's when they were using it and it was a one shot one kill type of thing. They wouldn't miss as the cartridges were way to rare.
I would love to know how the hell it came to be, who's held it, how many people its killed (if any)...
Impossible to know.
There is a website that allows me to buy snyder cartridges, some guy makes them out of 24 gauge shotshells (brass) and black powder. However they're crazy expensive, and although I would still pay for some, I cannot as I'm across the US border and they won't ship that kind of stuff over.
Anyways, there are more pics on the link below. http://members.shaw.ca/brent_nowell/main/Images/Enfield/
Excuse the trigger lock, but at the time it was the first actual firearm I ever did own, and used it for a while. Nowadays I don't even bother, complete waste of time as cartridges aren't even available for this thing.. Its not even registered, let alone cannot be registered anyways. The government won't register it, even though its a centerfire gun and regardless of when it was made has to be registered... could be the fact that it doesn't even have a serial number lol.
Anyways, I have no idea what its worth, but the bore is 'slightly' rusted with a little bit of pitting. Not too bad for a black powder.
My grandpa used to use it with his friggen dad to hunt! they still had some vintage cartridges back in the 1920's when they were using it and it was a one shot one kill type of thing. They wouldn't miss as the cartridges were way to rare.
I would love to know how the hell it came to be, who's held it, how many people its killed (if any)...
Impossible to know.
Old Dragoon
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Phantom Captian,
I probably bumped into your dad at Friendship once or twice. North Starr was owned by Curly Kurstomski(sic). His main line of guns were trade fusils.
I camped on the primitive range with the guys from the 64th Virginia Vol. Infantry.
I used to run with the guys from Illinois, Barry Anderson, Blue Jacket Sanders, and that bunch, and the Guys from Ohio and Indiana, I lived in Max Vickery's House in Muncie Ind. for a while. He was my main mentor, along with Pa Keeler and Art Holley.
Last time I was there was in 1976.
I probably bumped into your dad at Friendship once or twice. North Starr was owned by Curly Kurstomski(sic). His main line of guns were trade fusils.
I camped on the primitive range with the guys from the 64th Virginia Vol. Infantry.
I used to run with the guys from Illinois, Barry Anderson, Blue Jacket Sanders, and that bunch, and the Guys from Ohio and Indiana, I lived in Max Vickery's House in Muncie Ind. for a while. He was my main mentor, along with Pa Keeler and Art Holley.
Last time I was there was in 1976.
Jamie C.
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Hey Brent, thanks for the pics. Cool gun.
Yeah, it would be interesting to know it's history. Had a couple of Swede Mausers that I'd have liked to known the background on. Even had a cartridge belt with somebody's name written on it, that went along with 'em. I guess all that info is just lost to time.
J.C.
Yeah, it would be interesting to know it's history. Had a couple of Swede Mausers that I'd have liked to known the background on. Even had a cartridge belt with somebody's name written on it, that went along with 'em. I guess all that info is just lost to time.
J.C.
Phantom Captain
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Wow cool! Yep, you probably did! We have a trade gun that was built by Blue Jacket Sanders! Dad has a H. House rifle too! I need to take and post some more pics! Did you know Vern Christiansan or Tom Kodyker? I'm originally from NW Indiana and Dad still lives there.
I told my Dad to jump in and say hi, he's a big time lurker. He may be around shortly!
Old Dragoon
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I knew Vern fer sure. Tom too I think But never really knew his last name. Doc Andy Baker, Danny (from Illinois,( Cannot recall this minute his last name) he went on to shoot single shot BPCR and moved to Montana).
The guys from H & B Forge, Yep this is cool. I met Hershel House when he was just starting out. I ran into Blue Jacket in Oklahoma at a rendevous several years later. A lot of those guys moved to Montana.
I had the third Tipi on the primitive range way back when, the guy that had it before me was the second. I don't remember who was first, but I'm thinking it was Andy Baker. That was before the cabin was built.
The first NMLRA Rendevous (Eastern???) was held on the Friendship grounds behind the Office up in the hills west of the primitive range. Snowed on us the last day. I remember walking out down the hill with Friendship laying in the valley,it was dusk, the smoke from fireplaces going straight up and it was snowing. Beautiful picture, beautiful way to remember Friendship town.
The guys from H & B Forge, Yep this is cool. I met Hershel House when he was just starting out. I ran into Blue Jacket in Oklahoma at a rendevous several years later. A lot of those guys moved to Montana.
I had the third Tipi on the primitive range way back when, the guy that had it before me was the second. I don't remember who was first, but I'm thinking it was Andy Baker. That was before the cabin was built.
The first NMLRA Rendevous (Eastern???) was held on the Friendship grounds behind the Office up in the hills west of the primitive range. Snowed on us the last day. I remember walking out down the hill with Friendship laying in the valley,it was dusk, the smoke from fireplaces going straight up and it was snowing. Beautiful picture, beautiful way to remember Friendship town.
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I am Phanthon Captains dad ,Sounds like we walked the same ground in the early 70 's late 60 's .Where to start,Dan from Ill was Danny Powell,I have a cased pistol ,large barrel cocharn lock ,absolutly beautiful work.North star triggers you nailed it ,brought back a memory would not have attempted to spell his name.Have a trade gun Phil built but did not sign that he built for vern christenson (RIP) !2 guage oct to round 33 in barrel looks like a Lott lock no marks on lock or barrel,very nice gun . 3rd tepe, I remember being there about74 or 5 and I was the sixth one, 16' sioux that Jerry Buchanan sewed and got the poles from Glen Mc Lain.Doc baker with all the ear rings lol didn't wear them to work, sure liked his whiskey nothing wrong with that only time I said no was when they asked if I had enough. Max Vickery I didnt know but know about being a founding father.I have an unmarked b. buckley flint 45 poor boy that i bought from Vern.House gun is a 40 Large barrel roller lock of course tennesee at that time with ramrod pipes made from an old water heater lol. Thats enough for now talk later Alb
I am Phanthon Captains dad ,Sounds like we walked the same ground in the early 70 's late 60 's .Where to start,Dan from Ill was Danny Powell,I have a cased pistol ,large barrel cocharn lock ,absolutly beautiful work.North star triggers you nailed it ,brought back a memory would not have attempted to spell his name.Have a trade gun Phil built but did not sign that he built for vern christenson (RIP) !2 guage oct to round 33 in barrel looks like a Lott lock no marks on lock or barrel,very nice gun . 3rd tepe, I remember being there about74 or 5 and I was the sixth one, 16' sioux that Jerry Buchanan sewed and got the poles from Glen Mc Lain.Doc baker with all the ear rings lol didn't wear them to work, sure liked his whiskey nothing wrong with that only time I said no was when they asked if I had enough. Max Vickery I didnt know but know about being a founding father.I have an unmarked b. buckley flint 45 poor boy that i bought from Vern.House gun is a 40 Large barrel roller lock of course tennesee at that time with ramrod pipes made from an old water heater lol. Thats enough for now talk later Alb
Old Dragoon
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Yep Danny Powell it is. I lost track of him and Barry anderson, I ran into Danny again in the early 90's at a gunshow in Nobleville, Indiana, The Conner Prarie Gunshow. He had a bunch of Single shot rifles and said he was moving to Montana, I did hear he got there. His Cohort at Friendship, Can't remember his name, but he pulled in one day and as they were unloading the truck he handed me a mason jar of White lightining. I asked if it were Georgia Moon, a then well known Whiskey. He said "NO, Me and My Dad 1973" I think that was the year.
Last Rendevous' I attended was the Immigrant Peak Rendevous and the Rendevous in the Bighorn Mt's of Wyoming, I still have the flattened Balls they stamped for both Rendevous' tokens. Got them on my Salt Horn to this day. Believe that was 1978 or 1979.
I believe Dale Black was Vern's Cohort. I think he passed on a long time ago, before Vern.
I miss those times and all thoses people. Was some SHININ' Times. WoW seems like a million years ago, but again only yesterday.
OK I'm getting Melancholy I gotta go.
Last Rendevous' I attended was the Immigrant Peak Rendevous and the Rendevous in the Bighorn Mt's of Wyoming, I still have the flattened Balls they stamped for both Rendevous' tokens. Got them on my Salt Horn to this day. Believe that was 1978 or 1979.
I believe Dale Black was Vern's Cohort. I think he passed on a long time ago, before Vern.
I miss those times and all thoses people. Was some SHININ' Times. WoW seems like a million years ago, but again only yesterday.
OK I'm getting Melancholy I gotta go.
Phantom Captain
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You may have even bumped into me Old Dragoon, I was there a few times as a wee little one. Only very vague memories myself. Dad says I talked to everyone! LOL.
Old Dragoon
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Yep You probably did talk to me or my Wife . I talked to everyone too.
I built a rifle for a guy in your dad's neck of the woods. Don Stubbs. I built an early Rifle based on a 1750's Musket/rifle design. That's the one I traded for Don's first Tipi.
I have a few rifles out there. One is a 32 Cal 11/16 x flats, 40" lgth. Bill Large bbl'd Bedford County Flinter. One shoot I carried the stock for the flinter without the bbl in it all over Friendship. Everyone was afraid I'd damage the stock, but I didn't.
I put my Trademark in the cheek piece. An erect pot bellied Groundhog brass inlay. I'd like to have any of the ones I built back now or at least one, they all have my name in Script on the top bbl flat behind the rear sight. I have never seen one come up at auction in all these years since.
I traded the flinter for a 1963 Ford Econoline Falcon Club Wagon to a guy in Michigan. Last I heard his son was shooting it, but that was a long , long time ago. I haule my 18 ft. Tipi on that Van, would set up the poles, throw the cover and drive into the front of the tipi to lace the top pins, back out and finish it up.
Boy this has set my memories awash.
I built a rifle for a guy in your dad's neck of the woods. Don Stubbs. I built an early Rifle based on a 1750's Musket/rifle design. That's the one I traded for Don's first Tipi.
I have a few rifles out there. One is a 32 Cal 11/16 x flats, 40" lgth. Bill Large bbl'd Bedford County Flinter. One shoot I carried the stock for the flinter without the bbl in it all over Friendship. Everyone was afraid I'd damage the stock, but I didn't.
I put my Trademark in the cheek piece. An erect pot bellied Groundhog brass inlay. I'd like to have any of the ones I built back now or at least one, they all have my name in Script on the top bbl flat behind the rear sight. I have never seen one come up at auction in all these years since.
I traded the flinter for a 1963 Ford Econoline Falcon Club Wagon to a guy in Michigan. Last I heard his son was shooting it, but that was a long , long time ago. I haule my 18 ft. Tipi on that Van, would set up the poles, throw the cover and drive into the front of the tipi to lace the top pins, back out and finish it up.
Boy this has set my memories awash.
Steve499
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That's o.k., Dragoon. Memories are the only things us old timers do better than we used to, so I give you a 9.9 on yours!
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Phantom Captain
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Old Dragoon, and everyone else!Stopped by Dad's and brought the camera. Here's some we have laying around.
These three Dad built, .36 Squirrel gun on top built around 1970, .62 Smooth Rifle 2001, .54 Hawken 1974-2005 hehe.
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