Bradybunch and "saturday night specials"

[bluestarlizzard]

ok, i was bored and wanted to see for my self just how much BS was on the brady bunch website. while floating about and snorting, i found a FAQ sheet and their was this whole bit about saterday night specials and junk guns. i was always under the impression that a saterday night special refered to a crappy cheap gun that was easy to get way back when, lynard skeynerd era. i can see how lorcin would fall under the catogory of junk gun. but whats the "ring of fire" manufactures? when they were discribing these guns they mentioned ease of conceilabilty a lot. they were not spicific at all and were very confusing with a lot of "evil gun" hype. can someone help me interprete?
the only thing that made any sence was the regulations on metel strength.

 

[kungfuhippie]

Don't expect anything they have to make sense. Their goal is to ban all guns so they come up with vague definitions to make any bans as broad sweeping as possible.

 

[Hawk]

Here you go:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/ring/

From the days when PBS ran VPC press releases as fact.

Few of us lament the passing of some the crowd they targeted, but they did manage to litigate the lion's share out of existance and disarm some of the working poor thereby.

It's educational in that it illustrates the futility of throwing some of our babies off the sleigh in hopes of slowing the wolves. They pretty much got what they wanted with the "ring of fire" campaign and it didn't even prove to be much of speed bump. If anything, it emboldened them.

 

[zxcvbob]

"Saturday Night Special" is code for "any handgun black people can afford".

Over the years, they've tried to redefine it to make it more P.C., but still the elite don't want poor people -- black or white, but especially black -- to be able to defend themselves when it comes time to abuse them (like stealing their property thru corrupt eminent domain proceedings, etc.)

That's my opinion, anyway. Here's a cite that agrees with me:
http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_wtr8512.html

 

[Titan6]

Love is a burning thing
and it makes a firery ring
bound by wild desire
I fell in to a ring of fire...

I fell in to a burning ring of fire
I went down,down,down
and the flames went higher.
And it burns,burns,burns
the ring of fire
the ring of fire.

The taste of love is sweet
when hearts like our's meet
I fell for you like a child
oh, but the fire went wild..

I fell in to a burning ring of fire.....[etc]

- Johnny Cash



Okay, so long as you understand that the VPC site is really just a repackaged lies that get repeated ad infintum you are free to visit it whenever you like. The "Ring of Fire" Refers to the Pacific rim (mostly in this case California) which at one time held a number of manufacturers of low cost firearms.

There is no such thing as a "Saturday Night Special". There is no way to quantify such a thing so it is a term of derision given to guns that are inexpensive by the VPC. Their hope (to disarm every non-governement servant) is not restricted to the middle class. They want to make sure the poor can not buy firearms as well by making them illegal also.

And you can only quote Lynard Skynard here if you can tell what was in Mussel Shoals without looking it up (but you can listen to the Sweet Home Alabama all you want)

 

[bluestarlizzard]

well, why can't the bradybunch just paraphrase the pbs thingy? oh yeah, answered my own question, cause that would make sence. i get the why they would want to ban them, i just couldn't figure out WHAT, excaxtly, they were talking about. sigh, i guess i should not stick my nose over there anymore, it just gets me going "what?" like an idiot child. its always good to know what the oppisition is saying. unfortunatly you can't fight back if you can't figure out what the hell they're talking about!

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Brady is having their big get together in a few weeks I had a thought about going....Wearing a High Road shirt and maybe an empty holster, Unfortunately it would require a 250.00 "donation" I think I will give to the SAF instead, a more worthwhile group.

 

[obxned]

Poor folks need to be easy victims, dontcha know!

 

[Titan6]

I'll probably get banned for life for this but the beer is talking....

Two feets they come a creepin'
Like a black cat do
And two bodies are layin' naked
Creeper think he got nothin' to lose
So he creeps into this house, yeah
And unlocks the door
And as a man's reaching for his trousers
Shoots him full of .38 holes

(Chorus)
Mr.Saturday night special
Got a barrel that's blue and cold
Ain't no good for nothin'
But put a man six feet in a hole

Big Jim's been drinkin' whiskey
And playing poker on a losin' night
And pretty soon, Big Jim starts a thinkin'
Somebody been cheatin' and lyin'
So Big Jim commences to fightin'
I wouldn't tell you no lie
And Big Jim done pull his pistol
Shot his friend right between the eyes

(Chorus)

Hand guns are made for killin'
Ain't no good for nothin' elseAnd if you like to drink your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

I could be mistaken but there seems to be some kind of subliminal message here.....

 

[nate392]

First your looking for logic in anti gun nonsense so don't even try. Well, the term is more PC than it used to be, it was first called "nig*ertown saturday night special". Its main reason for being put into its own catagory to ban was so that the dominant race or class could prevent the lower class or minority groups in which it was appealing for from carrying because of it's cheap price range, generally $40-$90 on certain guns. People will argue the melting point,"flawed safety", and amount of them found in crimes as reasons for being banned. What it comes down to I think is social class eliteism, not the gun itself.

 

[Flyboy]

It has been claimed that the term "Saturday Night Special" derives from an older term, "Niggertown Saturday Night." If that claim is accurate, it would point clearly to the racist nature of gun laws (as if the Army/Navy laws, Sullivan laws, et al. weren't enough).

The veracity of that claim is debated in the talk page of the relevant Wikipedia article, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Saturday_night_special. It is a point of much contention.

In fact, prohibition--of nearly anything--has historically been aimed at the lower classes. Look into the early history of marijuana prohibition in America, or the ban on gin (not alcohol in general, just gin) in England.

 

[ROMAK IV]

It is basically an archaic term, since the guns that were pointed out to be "Saturday Night Specials" in the past, as Hawk has already pointed out are no longer made or imported. The other reason it is archaic is that with "Black criminal involvement in Crack Cocaine", and the affluency that follows, criminals don't often have cheap firearms anymore.

 

[Soybomb]

If you consider alot of the other racist history of gun control, the racist idea behind saturday night specials seems pretty believable. Wikipedia's discussion appears to be the usual bickering about an articles neutrality if one side winds up looking bad from it. I'm shocked the pogram's page on wikipedia doesn't have a section on why it was good for the people.

 

[Leitmotif]

The other reason it is archaic is that with "Black criminal involvement in Crack Cocaine", and the affluency that follows, criminals don't often have cheap firearms anymore.

Mistake there: you're assuming that gun control has anything to do with criminals.

 

[fearless leader]

Yes Titan6
I quit listening to Lynard Skynard right after that.

Sarah Brady's husband was shot in an attempt on President Ronald Reagan, the last real President we've had. The would be assassin used an RG .22 revolver that cost $20 brand new. Even so you didn't see Reagan get on the Ban Guns Wagon, now did you?
Press Sec. James Brady was wounded in the head during the attempt.
Sara Brady, his wife, has been fervently trying to ban guns ever since. I suppose she would rather Hinkley had a .357 or something so the life insurance would have paid off.
Banning cheap handguns. There's a laugh.
That's about the equivalent of someone saying:
I don't want to be victimized with a cheap, poorly constructed handgun that may not work or do the intended job. No Sir! I want someone to victimize me properly with a good gun that someone spent some money on. I want some street punk to shoot me with a .44 or a .45, not some pipsqueak .25 with pearl handles!
Now if saying that, makes you sound like the village idiot, look to Sarah Brady because it is the crux of her and her cronies saying it.

 

[fearless leader]

Oops!

 

[tmajors]

About a month ago I caught someone, can't remember if it was Brady Campaign or some pro-gun control politician hack say the next time they define "saturday night special" it would also include guns that did not have a separate mechanical safety. I can't remember the exact wording but soon as they said it I knew they were talking about Glocks and my CZ-P01 among others that don't have a "safety" switch.

 

[Deanimator]

"Saturday Night Special" is code for "any handgun black people can afford".

Took the words right out of my mouth.

In my considerable experience, anti-gunners are some of the most virulently racist people I've ever met.

They're not afraid of guns. They're afraid of BLACK PEOPLE with guns.

They view the inner cities as game preserves, non-criminal Black people as antelope and criminals a lions. They view "antelope" taken down by "lions" as merely a cost of doing business. When the antelope fight back, it scares the crap out of them. They see it as unnatural.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

One of my dealers sees nothing wrong with stocking High Points, Jimenez Arms, and other inexpensive guns for people that can't afford new Kimbers. He always seems to take flak from people about it even though he is one of the most to the letter dealers I know.

 

[illspirit]

They're simply trying to control the language in an attempt to make all guns look evil.

"Saturday Night Specials" are handguns which are too small.

"Assault Pistols" are handguns which are bigger than the above.

"Assault Rifle" means any rifle with a pistol grip.

"Sniper Rifle" means any rifle without a pistol grip.

Any calibers smaller than and including .22 LR are "only useful for assassins."

Any calibers larger than and including .223 Rem are "high-powered military ammunition" and/or "cop killer bullets."

 

[XavierBreath]

Few of us lament the passing of some the crowd they targeted, but they did manage to litigate the lion's share out of existance and disarm some of the working poor thereby.

By crowd, I hope you mean guns (Jennings, Lorcin, Raven, RG, Bryco), and not people. When these guns went away, an opening was made for HiPoint and KelTec. Now more reliable firearms are available for the working poor than ever before. There is also less trash on the gunstore shelf that would malfunction on Joe the janitor when he has to defend himself.

In my considerable experience, anti-gunners are some of the most virulently racist people I've ever met.
They're not afraid of guns. They're afraid of BLACK PEOPLE with guns.

I don't think it's a black thing myself. I think it's a caste thing. It's a privileged v/s commoner thing. The anti-gun forces realize that guns are a good thing.....if they and they alone have guns. It is not the black race they fear, but the decent folk they claim to speak for.

The other reason it is archaic is that with "Black criminal involvement in Crack Cocaine", and the affluency that follows, criminals don't often have cheap firearms anymore.

The least expensive and easiest to obtain gun for the criminal is usually the gun he stole himself. Criminals don't need cheap guns. They are able to steal the guns they need, or buy any commonly available gun on the street with the money they steal or make selling dope. Heck, even Bonnie and Clyde stole their guns. They are cheaper that way.

For the original poster........"....if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[mustanger98]

Since ya'll were also listing songs...

...how about Conway Twitty's song about the "Saturday Night Special"?

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/twitty-conway/saturday-night-special-22777.html

I was there to buy a pistol, she was there to hock her ring
the broker in that pawn shop deals in almost anything
he'll pay you for your misery or he'll sell you someone's pain
and that twinkle in his greedy eyes says you'll also be his game

She stood back in the shadows as the broker dealt with me
her eyes were dark and desperate from some private misery
his words were so prophetic when he said you've got a steal
I said throw in one bullet and you got yourself a deal

Chorus:
Oh, a saturday night special is an easy thing to buy
all you gotta be is twenty-one or fifteen if you lie
just hand the man the money and if someone's gotta die
the broker in the pawn shop won't even blink an eye

Well he handed me the pistol and I was almost to the door
when I heard him tell the lady seven dollars nothing more
the lady started crying as he took her wedding band
well my hand was in my pocket and the gun was in my hand
I was gonna use that bullet to end my life
I was once somebody's husband, she was once somebody's wife
I usually mind my business but I could not walk away
his dollars just weren't making sense and I knew I had to stay

Well the broker's face turned pasty when he caught my icy stare
it would never leave my pocket but he knew the gun was there
I asked him what his life was worth and he opened up the drawer
for a simple golden weddin' band, he bid two-thousand more

Oh, that saturday night was special even though it wasn't planned
as we walked down the sidewalk she reached and took my hand
and we crossed a bridge and I took that gun and sailed it through the air
I said, you ever been to Texas? She said, I think I'd love it there

Oh a saturday night special is an easy thing to buy
all you gotta be is twenty-one or fifteen if you lie
there's a pawn shop in the city used to deal in everything (haha)
but you can't buy a pistol there and you can't hock your wedding ring

 

[Gator]

One of my dealers sees nothing wrong with stocking High Points, Jimenez Arms, and other inexpensive guns for people that can't afford new Kimbers.

Good for him! The Constitution isn't just for rich, privileged, liberal, doo-gooders!

 

[sm]

"Saturday Night Specials" is just another example of reference that over the years has changed context of meaning(s) depending on locale, culture, politics and societal brainwashing.
Often times this labeling is to promote an agenda.

Buzzwords can come back to bite one in the butt.

Brady jumped onto the use of Saturday Night Specials, and given time, and with them cramming it down throats of regular folks, politicians, media...the label or buzzword has lost credibility.
This often results in "qualifying" or "rationalizing the term, for instance by redefining.
i.e Inexpensive and easy to obtain by lower income now includes easy to conceal purchased by more wealthier folks.


Automatic Knife used to refer to a knife that opened by pushing a button and a spring forwarded a blade.
Switchblade was added/ became synonymous with "automatic" and in some areas of the country the "assisted opening" such as a Leek, is considered a "Automatic Knife".

Assault, and Tactical have undergone this change as well.
Just like Brady's use of "Sat Nite Spl" was the "In" term, Assault, and Tactical has already started "Like kind" to quarrel amongst selves , MSM, Politicans and Anti Gun folks are using Assault and Tactical against a Gang of folks that have like ideology and goals - the Gang of Firearm owners.

Gang being a group of folks that have like interests , and activities, and ideologies.

THR is no different than Brady in like kind doing more harm to themselves than the opposite factions in the use of terms and how used, and abused.