Why people buy the "Saturday Night Specials"?

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Why the cheapest vs Ruger low end etc

First I'll mention that I have 15 round after market magazines for my High Point carbine.

For many years we have had the so called "junk" on the market, and those with little knowledge and less money obviously went in that direction. The Ruger 380, Keltech 380, and such better made guns at not much higher prices are a relatively recent phenomenon. It still takes bit of basic knowledge to realize the merit of upgrading to such.

On the other hand I once had an AMT BackUp 380, supposedly a cut above "junk" but it was a jammomatic.
 
On the other hand I once had an AMT BackUp 380, supposedly a cut above "junk" but it was a jammomatic.

AMTs - especially the pocket guns - were hit and miss. Higher quality materials and manufacturing than Jennings et al., but still a fair number of lemons. I had a Backup .22; had good fit & finish, was accurate, and it ran great after tinkering with it quite a bit, but was not reliable initially.

The full size AMTs are generally good guns, though. I passed on an Automag V .50 AE a few years back, kicked myself ever since. And if I ever see the elusive Automag IV in 10mm magnum, it's coming home with me, even if I have to sell a kidney to fund it!
 
Garbage? But they work. Many people on fixed incomes can't afford high ticket items and just want a gun that works.

Deaf
If one can afford $150 for a cheap POS gun, then one can afford $100 more for one that is WAY better made.

Heck, some of those old pot metal guns weren't the safest things to shoot.
 
Probably sheer coincidence, but I once saw a man at a range being derided (in a friendly way) over his Hi-Point 9mm. The other fellow had an Ed Brown custom .45. Guess which one fired two boxes of ammo with no problems and which jammed almost every shot with a couple of different kinds of ammo. For $120 you might expect problems; for $3000, you should have none, but that isn't the way things went.

Jim
 
Some because of low budget.
Some because they're just cheap.

I've been asked to work on cheap stuff and I refuse. It's not worth the headache if something breaks.
 
If one can afford $150 for a cheap POS gun, then one can afford $100 more for one that is WAY better made.

Heck, some of those old pot metal guns weren't the safest things to shoot.
Not if you are on Social Security, barley able to pay rent, utilities, food, etc. No, $150 is a lot to such people. Heck, then they have to buy ammo. And to even practice once a year at a gun range will set them back $50.

And if they have kids, or older relatives they have to take care of, well the money is just very tight.

Deaf
 
Not if you are on Social Security, barley able to pay rent, utilities, food, etc. No, $150 is a lot to such people. Heck, then they have to buy ammo. And to even practice once a year at a gun range will set them back $50.

And if they have kids, or older relatives they have to take care of, well the money is just very tight.

Deaf
There you have it. Not everyone has the "liquid assets' to buy a high-end handgun. Pardon my grammar, but "run what you brung" often applies here.

Not "flush with money"? There's always surplus from J&G Guns, and then there's Hi-Point.
 
"Saturday Night Special" was used to describe .38 snubbies in the 1970's. It was a derogatory term used by anti-gunners and often had a racist term thrown in as well (which I will not quote).
It was used well before that.
By Congressmen and Senators who herded the 1968 Gun Control Act into law.

One of the defining terms was a cast zinc frame that melted below a certain temperature.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special

On the other hand, a 'ring of fire' pistol would be better then a sharp stick if you were barely surviving on welfare and government free cheese.

When the rats came in the night, not for your cheese, but for your welfare check money.

rc
 
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I'm sure the last thing a bad guy thinks as he is falling to the ground is "Oh the shame of it all. It was a High Point!":(
 
Never owned one. My nephew has one and some friends have them. Ruff finished, gritty and did not shoot accurately at all. Brass flew everywhere, Trigger from hell. And tehy look like crap.
 
Threads like this want me to almost buy a HiPoint pistol. I said almost.

Listen, no one likes junky guns. We love nice guns. Guns that are accurate are interesting guns. And pretty guns. And fun to shoot.

If HiPoint made a 10mm Carbine, I would probably never have made a 10mm AR. I said probably!
 
Oh and my Taurus 85 Titanium light weight was not a cheap gun at over $600.00. It shoots and functions right with a S&W and does not feel or even really look any different.
 
It is getting harder and harder to buy "junk" handguns anymore. The quality keeps getting better, material costs lower (polymer) and manufacturing methods better and less labor intensive.

The only requirement for a self-defense firearm is it to go bang when you need it most and it puts the bullet where you aiming.

The Hi Point meets this criteria very well. In addition the manufacturer stands behind it for it's lifetime.

I have no interest in a Hi Point handgun as I own other guns that meets my wants and needs better. However I am very interested in the Hi Point carbine. Not only does it go bang but it fills the market for a affordable 9mm carbine.
 
The guns still injure the bad guys as well as makes them dead. At 21 feet, that's what counts, isn't it?

Iggy is right. No one gives a bloody rip what firearm shot them, It's how much damage the bullet did when it penetrated their body.
 
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I do not knock any one for what gun they own. But if and when we are to compare? The High points I saw fired and functioned. But, run with my 1911 Colt? NOT.
To have to buy a cheap gun because of a money issue is OK. Better than a stick as was already said. I assume most that would end up with one would some day move up and get something better. But, maybe not. If it works for them, it may be all they need.
 
I don't think a lot of you guys understand what broke is like. $500.00 is a week's pay to some folks before taxes. It's a whole different mindset I still don't put gas in the car without asking my wife if we can afford it today.c

If you're living at that level saving up doesn't happen because you're probably behind on some other bill already. You "save up" for new tires not a nice Glock. I'm currently driving a car I paid $650.00 bucks for. A car is a necessity a Glock isn't

If I can get a high point for $150.00 I'm not about to piss away an extra $350.00 on a "nicer" gun.
 
I have 2 RG .38 specials in my safe . I figure when the PTB decide to give some really good stuff on a buyback( maybe a weekend in hot springs ) Oh well !!
 
How about $218.00 a week? I have been there and dealt with that. I won't get into details about a Veteran's Pension.
 
.....Saturday Night Specials ?

I don't think Hi-Point's qualify as a SNS, but they are inexpensive pistols and too many people have testified as to their quality, accuracy, dependability, and durability to call them "junk".

As a side note they are "blow back" operated . More inertia (recoil) going backward, but still "a lot of bang for your buck".

How do I know so much about them ?
Do I own one?
You be the judge.
The positive testimonials have outweighed the negative.
Most of the negative (almost all) have never owned one.
I own a Hi-Point 9mm Carbine that I trust highly.
Never owned one of their pistols, but wouldn't rule it out.:)
 
I don't think a lot of you guys understand what broke is like. $500.00 is a week's pay to some folks before taxes.
Beginning my career years ago I earned less than that. With a wife and new baby to support, most months ended with less then $10 in the bank after I paid all my bills. I often survived on food that others discarded. I could no more contemplate purchasing a gun than I could purchasing my own private island in the Caribbean.

So yes, $100 is a ton of money to some people. They deserve the right to self-defense as much as anyone else. Maybe even more so, when the few dollars in their wallet or purse is all there is for baby food and diapers.
 
What distorts the discussion is social rank and the self image of the poster. Some would never be seen owning a lesser priced firearm because they think it would damage their reputation and devalue their social ranking.

Others have no delusions about what they can afford - it's a commodity item at their price level - they get what they can because it's not their intent to throw thousands of rounds downrange with it. Just one or two at a critical moment.

Most armed confrontations aren't even punctuated by actual shooting. Of those that are, the largest majority are three shots. If the aggressor is hit and stops, it's the AMMO that does the job. Funny how we never see posts about the junk "Saturday Night Special" fodder sold in many of the better stores. We talk tough but when it comes down to buying ammo it's smoke and mirrors about "economy" or "It's just practice ammo for the range." No doubt as the cheap stuff has a documented reputation for inducing malfunctions - you get training all right, drills to keep it in action.

People complain about some guns needing a break in period, or they go back to the maker, but in most cases they do get better and are trusted. But cheap junk ammo? It stays bad year after year.

It's the ammo that does all the work, not the gun. The social rank of what hits the primer has nothing to do with the ballistic results, a $1,100 gun won't make the ammo hit five times more accurately, or more lethal. Only the ammo determines that.

We say better to have a gun than not, we "excuse" the .380 in that light, but the reality is better to have a Jennings than nothing, too. The whole point of demonizing "junk" "Saturday Night Specials" was to attempt to eliminate inexpensive guns from being available at all - it's gun control by social snobbery.

Most perps carry what the cops do - these days, a hi cap polymer pistol. Even in the day, they didn't carry Jennings or whatever as much as they tried to get police status firearms. What the anti gunners disliked was the poor being empowered by gun ownership and being independent. They still are in areas where they haven't been disarmed by social hypocrites who demand they buy high ranking firearms.

Let's be careful about cast frames, too - some of the more popular 1911's are NOT forged, just cast, and they fill the gun cases. A method of mass production that results in economical parts doesn't make it morally wrong, and what one person decides as a price point in their firearm and it's use doesn't mean they have to choose an institutional standard for fleet use with a service life of 30 years. Further, fit and finish have little to do with proper functioning, correct clearances often dictate the weapon be loose, not tight, especially in military firearms as they are subject to being contaminated with debris and still required to function. It's been said more than once the way to screw up a 1911 is to force tight fits on it, and the results of those $1,100 guns at the range the first time. Multiple issues until it breaks in. A military grade gun? No issues - and you really don't care if you throw it at the target as it will shrug it off. It has to - that is part and parcel of the level of abuse it takes. A competition range gun costing five times more? Something is likely going to break with all the fragile accessories on it.

The whole "Saturday Night Special" hoax is simply a topic used by anti gunners as a wedge to demonize lower priced buyers and force divisiveness in the gun community. It was meant to be racist from day one, and it still exists as a way to make gun owners think twice about even owning one. Win for them on two points and their agenda remains active thirty years later.
 
What distorts the discussion is social rank and the self image of the poster. Some would never be seen owning a lesser priced firearm because they think it would damage their reputation and devalue their social ranking.

Others have no delusions about what they can afford - it's a commodity item at their price level - they get what they can because it's not their intent to throw thousands of rounds downrange with it. Just one or two at a critical moment.

Most armed confrontations aren't even punctuated by actual shooting. Of those that are, the largest majority are three shots. If the aggressor is hit and stops, it's the AMMO that does the job. Funny how we never see posts about the junk "Saturday Night Special" fodder sold in many of the better stores. We talk tough but when it comes down to buying ammo it's smoke and mirrors about "economy" or "It's just practice ammo for the range." No doubt as the cheap stuff has a documented reputation for inducing malfunctions - you get training all right, drills to keep it in action.

People complain about some guns needing a break in period, or they go back to the maker, but in most cases they do get better and are trusted. But cheap junk ammo? It stays bad year after year.

It's the ammo that does all the work, not the gun. The social rank of what hits the primer has nothing to do with the ballistic results, a $1,100 gun won't make the ammo hit five times more accurately, or more lethal. Only the ammo determines that.

We say better to have a gun than not, we "excuse" the .380 in that light, but the reality is better to have a Jennings than nothing, too. The whole point of demonizing "junk" "Saturday Night Specials" was to attempt to eliminate inexpensive guns from being available at all - it's gun control by social snobbery.

Most perps carry what the cops do - these days, a hi cap polymer pistol. Even in the day, they didn't carry Jennings or whatever as much as they tried to get police status firearms. What the anti gunners disliked was the poor being empowered by gun ownership and being independent. They still are in areas where they haven't been disarmed by social hypocrites who demand they buy high ranking firearms.

Let's be careful about cast frames, too - some of the more popular 1911's are NOT forged, just cast, and they fill the gun cases. A method of mass production that results in economical parts doesn't make it morally wrong, and what one person decides as a price point in their firearm and it's use doesn't mean they have to choose an institutional standard for fleet use with a service life of 30 years. Further, fit and finish have little to do with proper functioning, correct clearances often dictate the weapon be loose, not tight, especially in military firearms as they are subject to being contaminated with debris and still required to function. It's been said more than once the way to screw up a 1911 is to force tight fits on it, and the results of those $1,100 guns at the range the first time. Multiple issues until it breaks in. A military grade gun? No issues - and you really don't care if you throw it at the target as it will shrug it off. It has to - that is part and parcel of the level of abuse it takes. A competition range gun costing five times more? Something is likely going to break with all the fragile accessories on it.

The whole "Saturday Night Special" hoax is simply a topic used by anti gunners as a wedge to demonize lower priced buyers and force divisiveness in the gun community. It was meant to be racist from day one, and it still exists as a way to make gun owners think twice about even owning one. Win for them on two points and their agenda remains active thirty years later.
Well said!

I would like to add that gun control was primarily aimed at blacks in the early days, until the "elites" found out it worked equally well against "poor white trash".

FYI; zamak isn't the same as pot metal.

An ugly gun that goes bang is worth a whole lot more than a pretty gun that goes click!
 
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If one can afford $150 for a cheap POS gun, then one can afford $100 more for one that is WAY better made

You have not made a case the Hi Point is a "cheap POS gun."

I don't think a lot of you guys understand what broke is like. $500.00 is a week's pay to some folks before taxes.

Amen! Actually $500.00 in take home pay is a challenge if you have medical insurance.

Others have no delusions about what they can afford - it's a commodity item at their price level - they get what they can because it's not their intent to throw thousands of rounds downrange with it. Just one or two at a critical moment.

During the Banic of 2008 the handgun ammunition in the most demand was the .380! That is a very revealing piece of data that says a lot about what a lot of people have in the nightstand / dresser for self-defense.

I have a family member that has no interest in guns. Not sure about his wife but she wears the pants in the family. They probably are the type that would practice once a year.

My F-I-L is another case. In his early 80's he is unfortunately a good candidate (and victim) for scams. No handguns. A few longguns not touched by him in many years. I was the last one to inspect them several years ago. Next time we go down to visit them I am taking my cleaning supplies and will deep clean all of them along with giving him a few boxes of new shotgun shells.

They live on a limited income in a rural area with law enforcement a long way aways. He is a idea candidate for a Hi Point. Shotgun (and any long gun) is to much gun for him to handle anymore. For him I would take him out, familiarize him with it and have him shoot a few magazines. I would clean it, load it with one in chamber, safety on and call it good. Then everytime we visit I would take him out back and have him shoot some rounds to make sure he is still sharp enough to handle and shoot it safely.

Everyone in the family knows I am the "gun guy." If he they were to ask me for a recommendation for a home defense handgun I would not hesitate to suggest the Hi Point. In fact I am considering buying a Hi Point and giving it to him just for this reason. I'll be inheriting all of the guns anyway so I am not risking losing anything.
 
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"Saturday Night Special" was used to describe .38 snubbies in the 1970's. It was a derogatory term used by anti-gunners and often had a racist term thrown in as well (which I will not quote).

It was used well before that.
By Congressmen and Senators who herded the 1968 Gun Control Act into law.

Once again RC is spot on. I also heard it used back in the sixties before that. SNSs were one step up from "zip guns", basically cheap, easily obtainable "throw away" guns used by criminals. It had a negative connotation long before conspiracy theorists started to tell us the government was gonna confiscate all our guns. A term used long before the term "anti-gunners" became a common moniker. I think many folks think it originated in the 70's because of the popular Lynyrd Skynyrd tune with the same name that came out in 1975. IMHO, I think it is being used in the wrong context by the OP as the term came about not about guns sold legally over the counter, but outta a car trunk in a back alley on Saturday night......hence the name.
 
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