Breaking News: New York AG seeks to dissolve NRA in new lawsuit

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The ONLY reason why I joined on with GOA and SAF was because I saw the impending troubles of the NRA. I don’t hate them but as of right now, they are circling the drain.

It is up to all of us, yet again, to support some of these other organizations. If the NRA continues downward, there will be a massive void in 2A support for a time. I’m thinking of it as Life Insurance for the NRA.
 
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Those arguing the filing of a civil lawsuit rather than criminal charges proves bad intent on the AG's part, I'd think they should hope for the case to go to trial. The discovery procedure, the trial evidence or lack thereof ... we'd certainly see if there's a fire making all this smoke, no?
The prosecutor's motive or politics is less important than factual evidence, IMO, so let's see that evidence or the lack of it.
Frankly, I think NRA has been taken away from the actual membership, and if the solution is to raise a different Phoenix from the ashes of this corrupted turkey, then so be it.
 
hso hit the nail on the head.
Wayne has to go and the NRA needs to be restructured.
What do we as members to make this happen?????
That is the gotcha in this mess. Given the current structure of the NRA leadership and the way the board of directors is elected and structured there is very little the members can do to meaningfully change the NRA.
 
I see in the above post a clear dislike for the NRA, be that as it may no other organization has the clout and membership to effectively continue the battle. If any here is an NRA member now is the time to support the mandate of the organization .
Name one 2A organization that can effectively step in with programs like the NRA-ILA, or the millions of members and affiliated clubs across the country.
 
I received a call just the other day from a woman with the NRA. She knew I was a life member and asked if I wanted to go to the next level and I said not until Wayne is gone for good, not another dollar of mine will you get.
 
Yep they solved all of their other issues in NY so let's go here...I see a surge in membership. Yes I am aware of other organizations but can someone tell me which one has taken on the courts besides the NRA? Although their spending may not be right it's a private organization...Sorry to disappoint but if they go away so will your 2A rights...
The Second Amendment Foundation has done and continues to do outstanding work in the courts.
 
The NRA was destroyed from within. Sad, but in reality, it is the Second Amendment Foundation and Alan Gottlieb that are doing all the lawsuits and fighting for our cause. That is where your money will do the most good.
 
I see in the above post a clear dislike for the NRA, be that as it may no other organization has the clout and membership to effectively continue the battle. If any here is an NRA member now is the time to support the mandate of the organization .
Name one 2A organization that can effectively step in with programs like the NRA-ILA, or the millions of members and affiliated clubs across the country.
None can fill the NRA shoes (at least not in the short term) and that is why their malfeasance is such a bitter betrayal. The fact that the leadership had been doing this for years if not decades and has changed the leadership structure in such a way to hide and protect there misdeeds is equally bitter.
 
We can only hope that is true. The squandering of members' funds is inexcusable.

The NRA is organized (through manipulation by WLP and company) in a way that the members no longer have a legitimate say in what the organization does. The members are simple cash cow for the leadership's corruption. The NRA is beyond easy repair and the membership would be better served by moving on to more open and honest pro-2A groups. IMHO the NRA is a lost cause and that is a real shame.
WLP and those who helped him feed his addictions should have stepped down last year instead of Ollie North, who had the guts to publicly demand a financial review.

I don't see how dissolving the NRA is the answer. The answer is to change the by-laws so the members actually have a say, then get back to doing the work that we need.
 
WLP and those who helped him feed his addictions should have stepped down last year instead of Ollie North, who had the guts to publicly demand a financial review.

I don't see how dissolving the NRA is the answer. The answer is to change the by-laws so the members actually have a say, then get back to doing the work that we need.
But if the membership has no say who is going to change those bylaws? Those with the power to change the bylaws are also those abusing their position, and thus protected by the bylaws and have zero incentive to change them since it will mean they loose power.
 
I see in the above post a clear dislike for the NRA, be that as it may no other organization has the clout and membership to effectively continue the battle. If any here is an NRA member now is the time to support the mandate of the organization .
Name one 2A organization that can effectively step in with programs like the NRA-ILA, or the millions of members and affiliated clubs across the country.
The intent of the constant attacks on the NRA is to get rid of them as a powerful lobbying group. The NRA and it's supporters are the enemy. Judging from the usual NRA hate coming from gun owners and 2A supporters they have effectively started a divide inside the membership. Sadly, these efforts should be painfully obvious as tactics of the anti gun groups, but they aren't. Some of you are missing the big picture.

edit to add -If they manage to get rid of the NRA, which is unlikely, a larger more focused and angrier organization will take it’s place.
 
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Watching Foxnews and they said if NY attempts to dissolve the NRA that they should just move to Texas.......would that work?
 
hso hit the nail on the head.
Wayne has to go and the NRA needs to be restructured.
What do we as members to make this happen?????
Stop sending the NRA money and tell them if they don't remove Wayne, you will no longer be a member of the association.
 
That is the gotcha in this mess. Given the current structure of the NRA leadership and the way the board of directors is elected and structured there is very little the members can do to meaningfully change the NRA.
If WLP and his henchmen are removed, we should be able to get revised by-laws and vote in trustworthy leadership.
 
But if the membership has no say who is going to change those bylaws? Those with the power to change the bylaws are also those abusing their position, and thus protected by the bylaws and have zero incentive to change them since it will mean they loose power.
Wayne & friends are gonna be out of the picture.

Can some of our lawyer members maybe draft proper bylaws and then we start a petition for the draft to at least be voted on by the membership at large? (Keep the 5 years' membership to vote requirement to avoid antis joining to subvert the whole thing.)
 
I strongly disagree with throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
If there is evidence of corrupt mismanagement of the organization, then by all means, arrest them and hold them accountable.
To legally terminate the NRA would be penalizing three million + members for the deeds of a few individuals. Not at all the way America was intended to self-govern. Use of government power by elected officials to eliminate powerful opposition to their unconstitutional laws is not a good thing no matter how one looks at it, and it stinks of corrupt anti-American, political thuggery. Something to be expected in a banana republic.

Some observations:

- NRA is not part of any government structure. They are a not-for-profit organization that is bound by the laws governing such organizations.

- It seems evident that WLP and his cronies has spent at least the last decade, if not more, with a primary objective of lining their own pockets, and a secondary, or perhaps tertiary focus on protecting 2A rights and furthering shooting sports

- As much as this is not the fault of any given individual NRA member, the membership has allowed this to take place through feeding into the incessant drumbeat of 'send us money now or your guns will be gone tomorrow!' without stopping to ask where the money is actually going and how it is being spent

- If WLP gave two sh!ts about the protection of 2A, the NRA membership and NRA being an organization that exists to protect 2A rights and further shooting sports, he would have done the honorable thing years ago - admit being too long at the helm and agree to a re-org that introduced better transparency and accountability. This could have staved off this kind of lawsuit, or at least reduced the ammunition for the NY AG. Instead he doubled down, forced out anyone who was not a die hard yes-man, continuing the dubious schemes and self enriching

- As a result we are now in a situation where there is a very real risk of the NRA being dissolved! And I am willing to bet good money that the only reaction from the NRA leadership to this is going to be to email/call/mail the membership, and say 'the barbarians are at the door, send us more money!!!', to try to squeeze some last dollars out of the membership and into their own pockets

- Furthermore, if the NRA does ride out this storm and WLP ends up staying at the helm, do you know what changes would occur at the NRA? Absolutely nothing! Perhaps the current schemes for lining pockets would be wound down and new, more subtle ones spun up, but that's probably it

In a perfect world, the current leadership would resign, a re-org would take place that would put in place real accountability and transparency, and the NRA would go back to serving its membership by focusing on its true goals - protecting 2A rights and furthering shooting sports. But how? The only way would be for the current leadership to willfully step down since they have corrupted the organizational structure to prevent the members from being able to enact change. And WLP is not stepping down. He is holding the NRA hostage and seems dead-set on watching it burn to the ground rather than to look out for the well being of its members.

I say all this as a NRA member. Yes, the NY AG is out to screw us, but the reason why they have a great chance of succeeding is because of WLP and his cronies having corrupted the organization and have been allowed to do so for many many years.
 
That is the gotcha in this mess. Given the current structure of the NRA leadership and the way the board of directors is elected and structured there is very little the members can do to meaningfully change the NRA.
There's nothing life members can do, they basically joined a mob family that "once they were in, there's no getting out."

Those who send dues to the NRA each year need to stop to make their voice heard. Problem is people get set in their ways and believe only in one group, the biggest of them all, to protect their 2nd amendment. The smaller orgs can also be effective and there's no reason for all those NRA members to not also be members of the smaller orgs.

My guess as to the reason they don't is because most of the NRA is full of FUDDs and don't support how hardcore pro-2A GOA and SAF and state groups are.
 
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If WLP and his henchmen are removed, we should be able to get revised by-laws and vote in trustworthy leadership.

Again how? We cannot vote them out in the first place.
The chief executive of the National Rifle Association and several top lieutenants engaged in a decades-long pattern of fraud to raid the coffers of the powerful gun rights group for personal gain, according to a lawsuit filed Thursday by the New York attorney general, draining $64 million from the nonprofit in just three years.

If true, 64 million that hurts...
 
None can fill the NRA shoes (at least not in the short term) and that is why their malfeasance is such a bitter betrayal. The fact that the leadership had been doing this for years if not decades and has changed the leadership structure in such a way to hide and protect there misdeeds is equally bitter.
The current leadership guilty or not guilty are only the public face of them NRA, it’s strength lies in its membership and their power at the polls. Leaders can be replaced. The values and longstanding record of the NRA’s accomplishments can not be.
As gun owners if we are not part of the solution we are part of the problem and that problem now rises to the occasion. Get behind the NRA or lose it.
 
The current leadership guilty or not guilty are only the public face of them NRA, it’s strength lies in its membership and their power at the polls. Leaders can be replaced. The values and longstanding record of the NRA’s accomplishments can not be.
As gun owners if we are not part of the solution we are part of the problem and that problem now rises to the occasion. Get behind the NRA or lose it.
and how exactly are we going to "get behind the NRA?" By sending them more money to help pay for Wayne and company's lawyers? Then let's say Wayne & Co. win the case and stay in power at the NRA, are we to expect they're not going to go back to doing what they have been the past decade or that they'll do the right thing and resign?

I don't trust Wayne & Co., I have never sent the NRA a dime and never will, not until their is a complete restructure. The way things are structured now all NRA members should abandon ship and start a new NRA, but one where the members choose the real leaders and not some propped up phonies behind a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
 
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