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Here's a little sumpthin-sumpthin I whipped up a few years ago for 3-gun matches. The box could carry just about anything, food, ammo, supplies, etc. The closed lid doubles as a chair/work table. I have since added a lock/hasp on the lid.

It has come in handy when the range/benches were a long way from the parking lot. I even thought about putting a small length of PVC pipe on the handle to stick a beach umbrella in to provide shade/shelter. :rolleyes:

For rougher terrain, a larger wheel size would probably work better. This one is a little on the heavy side for a long distance journey, but it sure makes the going easier when there's lots to tote. :cool:

I need to put a cool skull & crossbones paint job on it sometime. :evil:

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Pack ranges from large day pack (35 L) to full sized multi-day backpack (70 L)

I carry the 35 when I day hike, even in town
(you never know when civilization may end)

Focuses on basic needs: water, food, shelter (including clothes), security, health

Equipment:

1-day

* warm layers
* rain gear
* hats, gloves, comfortable, reliable foot ware
* water (more than I need) & filter (to get more)
* 1 day food
* first aid
* material to make a shelter (min: tarp)
* fire building stuff
* 2 knives & a stick
* handgun + some spare ammo

Multi-day
, add

* sleeping bag with pad & ground cloth
* 2 - 7 days food w/ a way to prep it
 
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^^^Oh man! The tactical wheelbarrow is alive! ^^^

Seriously, I really like the idea for transporting ammo and guns to the firing line. You definitely do need to attach an umbrella and a water cooler though. Sit in the shade and sip cool water watching the rest of the shooters sweating in the sun.

As far as BOBs go, realistically you would use one to get from point A to point B. Not extended living in the wild. It shouldn't take you more than 1-2 days travel to get out of a regional disaster. If it will take more than that you are probably dealing with a TEOTWAWKI situation and you are probably SOL.

For this 3 day rush (max), you will most likely need:

1)Cash: Provided sufficient quantity, should get you anything you need unless there is a world wide civilization collapse

2)Documentation: Cause you can't do anything without ID nowadays (register at hotel, rent vehicle, access your bank account)

3) Water and food: Bottled water and canned food. To use only if you can't readily buy some on the way. At most enough for three meals.

4)Climate appropriate clothing.

5) Your normal EDC. Phone, wallet, SAK or multitool, CCW, flashlight.

Oh, and prescription medication you can't function with out. At least a weeks worth.
 
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I'm with the Bug-in guys. I live in Southern Oregon, and the situations I'd possibly face where I live are wildfire, earthquake, and civil unrest, in descending order of liklihood. In the event of a wildfire, there are lots of homes where I'm at, making my neighborhood a protection priority, and there's a fire station right across the street. So I'm not too worried there. In an earthquake, my house is made of wood, so, even if it collapsed completely (not likely), I could saw through the rubble with a chainsaw (borrowed if necessary), and retrieve my survival supplies that way, then go stay with friends or family. Civil unrest? I'm staying home to defend it after calling a neighborhood meeting to discuss security.

The only issue I have is that I typically work 30 miles from home, so I carry a small hydration pack with some pockets for basic stuff to get me home in two days, on foot if necessary. WATER, high-calorie emergency rations, a thermal shirt, a warm hat, a few first aid items, and my quart-sized wilderness survival kit. I also carry raingear with me in whatever vehicle I drive, and on my person at all times are a lighter, knife, pepper spray, and my CCW. I think that does it.
 
Living off the land is only a "stupid idea" for those who do not know how which is most of the people who live in urban areas. If I had to pack my family and leave my home I would not consider it a temporary situation, if it was I would not leave. I would have a shotgun, an Marlin 336 and a 22 rifle, along with 2 handguns along with enough ammo to hunt for 6 months. Personal protection, if necessary, would be accomplished with the same ammo. I want to be prepared and see no reason to be over prepared, if the world was going to end I do not think I want to be the last man standing.......
 
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...In an earthquake, my house is made of wood, so, even if it collapsed completely (not likely), I could saw through the rubble with a chainsaw (borrowed if necessary)...
I never heard of a well-built wooden 1 story house or any 1 story wooden house, for that matter, which has collapsed because of an earthquake. When in doubt, simple re-inforcement of your present house should suffice for any earthquake.
However, if the person you are borrowing the chainsaw from builds his home with mudbricks, after an earthquake you likely need not borrow the chainsaw anymore. You would likely be in the position to become the new owner, if you simply dig through the rubble to rescue it. If anything, for a wooden house owner, a chainsaw would be a handy weapon to swing around, in case the souvreignity of your wooden house is endangered by roaming gangs who take advantage of the absence of law & order, during an event of civil unrest/disobedience
 
For a 1-3 day pack you don't need to lug around food and water. Especially water. Water is really heavy and takes up a good amount of space. Some people load up these bags with way too much stuff that really isn't a weight they can manage. Maybe food like a power bar or something isn't too bad though since being hungry can lead to bad morale and the weight isn't too bad.

In a lot of areas, you will die from exposure long before you dehydrate or starve to death. If you're in shorts and a tshirt, you're going to have a tough time through a cold night if you don't have shelter. Mix in some rain and you're in really bad shape.

The month that most people die from exposure here? August.

I prepare to be lost in the woods more than any BOB type of scenario.....and I'm going to get my butt out of those woods long before I'll die from dehydration (hopefully). I would like to think I can get to a safe place within 3 days on foot if I had to.
 
Ok.. here's my take on a REALISTIC URBAN SETTING "bug out bag":

1. First Aid Kit
2. Add to that kit, Quick Clot and heavy bandages, antibacterial wash (the one that you can spray on open wounds)
3. Hand-crank flashlight and light sticks
4. A multi-tool
5. 2 Bottled water, 2 cans of soda
6. 5 energy/ 5 protein bars
7. Road map of the general area
8. Hand-crank radio/ w emergency radio channels
9. Two rolls of quarters
10. Cash
11. Binoculars

I forgot to add these: a complete change of clothes, toiletries (shaving cream, razor, toothbrush, toothpaste, soap, TP), blanket

Car repair tool box (jumper cables, etc) stored separately in the trunk.
CCW to be carried on one's person.
 
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The bugout bag should have everything you might need over the course of 72 hours, whether you spend it in a hotel, your car, or the woods. Even in an urban environment, you may end up sleeping outside so it's best to be prepared for a few nights in the forest than to assume that you will find shelter. Honestly, it doesn't require any more to sleep outside in the forest than it does to sleep outside in the city.

People running around carrying a dozen magazines having fantasies about running gunfights using suppressive fire, etc. probably won't last long, and if they do will spend some time locked up after things settle down. If something terrible happens, civil disorder etc. laying low is probably the best way to deal with things. Black rifles and chest rigs attact all sorts of attention.

Let's see what Jeff Randal, who trains people to survive in the jungle, keeps in his bugout bag:

http://www.jungletraining.com/Bug-Out-Bag.pdf

He knows how to find food wherever he goes more than most of us do, but it's a pretty good starting point. Notice that the only weaponry he carries is a Glock 22 and a spare pair of magazines.
 
Sounds like quite a bit of product placement going on in some folks BOB.

Some products work better than others.

It would suck to rely on crap gear and die because of a failure to perform as needed/expected.
 
The bugout bag should have everything you might need over the course of 72 hours,
whether you spend it in a hotel, your car, or the woods.
That's the nut of it right there.

And what Jeff Randal says about carrying his bag with him daily applies to me as well.
These days, my bob is not just a bag in the closet, ready to go if needed.
Instead, it goes with me nearly everywhere I go nearly every time I go.

I understand that some lives may not accommodate that. Mine does.
 
Where is "here??"

Maine. But it's not just here, a lot of the spring/summer months in a lot of places lead to people dying from exposure. I'm sure there's some darn cold nights out in the desert too. There's more people outdoors during that time and they aren't dressed for cooler weather. If you're wearing flip flops, shorts, and a tank top...and you're in the Maine woods for a cold night, you're not going to be having much fun. The hunters that are fall/winter hunting are generally more prepared but some get lost without the proper gear every year also.

I'm not sure if they are counting stranded snowmobilers and the like in those numbers or not. Maybe it's just on foot. Anyways, it was told to me during a course by an instructor from Maine's inland fisheries and wildlife so I presume it's true.
 
I'm sure there's some darn cold nights out in the desert too. There's more people outdoors during that time and they aren't dressed for cooler weather. If you're wearing flip flops, shorts, and a tank top...and you're in the Maine woods for a cold night, you're not going to be having much fun.
People can be total idiots at times when it comes to that.

I've told this story on THR before. A decade or so ago, I lived in NM (Albuquerque). One February Sunday, I had just walked down from the crest of the Sandia Mountains near a public tram where I'd spent a full moon night sleeping in the snow in a bivy sack at 10,000' near the edge of the cliff with a spectacular view west over the city. It was around 15 F at daybreak. One of my most memorable nights ever.

When I reached the snow line - where the trail became not icy- I stopped to pull off my crampons (had worn snowshoes near the crest - without them, would post hole about 18") and remove a layer for the walk down into the desert. I was munching some trail mix when three 20-somethings - 2 guys and a woman - walked up the trail.

They were wearing t'shirts, cotton hoodies and tennis shoes. They had one small pack between them, about the size of a college book bag.

They asked where I'd been, and I told them.

They said, yeah, we're heading up there. We're going to walk to the crest, then over to the tram and take it down at sunset.

I looked at them like they were crazy.

"You're kidding, right?", I asked.

"No, we're totally going to do it."

I advised as strongly as possible that they reconsider, telling them about how deep the snow is on the crest, that the trail is not visible, and that unless they have good route finding skills .... not to mention that it was already 3 pm, it took me hours to get off the crest with snow shoes and crampons... and the tram was another 2 - 3 miles past where I'd camped.

But, all to no avail. They smiled, said they'd be fine, and walked on.

I finished my trail mix, watching them walk away, slipping on the ice. I waited about an hour, just to see if they came back. They didn't.

I watched the local news for several days for stories about lost hikers. Nothing.

Good candidates for Darwin awards.
 
The same things you need on a daily basis but movable:
Food
Water
Shelter--tarp or tent
Clothing
Knife
Lighter
Cash
ID Documents
Medications, plus a good first aid kit
Good shoes
Gun and extra ammo
 
...a good first aid kit
I'd enjoy reading what that means to people.

I'll see if I can put together a list of what's in mine.
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Motivated in part by this thread, I spent several hours this weekend upgrading, rearranging & re-supplying my bag. Gonna consider some pics of it when I get some time.
 
To me a good first aid kit is hemostats, suture, antiseptic ointment, alcohol, guaze, a tourniquet, scissors, scapel handel and blades, white tape, kerlix, vet wrap, analgesics, antihitamines, stethoscope, thermometer and gloves.

Thats whats in my bag now. I'm a veterniarian so I do know how to use the gear. If it was a true bug-out I might grab some antibiotics. Obviously fluids could come in handy but they are too heavy to be carrying around.

If you are not medically inclined, some bandage material, analgesics, some triple antibiotic ointment, antihistamines, maybe Immodium, and some alcohol should do you.
 
Figured I'd post the rest of my bag;

1 gallon of water in 2 canteens, water purification tabs, water filter

first aid kit, above plus two huck towels

2 1911 mags(loaded)

2 space blankets, a vest and a windbreaker

poncho, extra socks(2 pair)

Small blanket

2 cans of tuna, 1 can of peaches in heavy syrup, 2 cans of soup

can opener, some granola bars

SAK, Ka-bar hunter, Mg fire starter, waterproof matches, vitamins, compass

Contact lens stuff, extra pair of glasses

I also keep boots in the truck in case I'm wearing shoes and a box of 30-30 ammo in case I decide I need a rifle If I don't I'll just leave the ammo. If its winter I always have gloves and a hat in the truck. I'll have my 1911 on me and maybe my j-frame just depends. I'm sure I'm forgetting something.
 
I've got quite a few different versions. One is for camping out in the back-yard (think earthquake type). One is in the car (can be heavier) in case it breaks down (think the poor family whose father died in OR several years ago when stuck on logging road). One is in my office. One is backpack form if I need flee my home. Also, there is the stuff I carry on me every day. I know that the backpack one is heavier than I can carry for any distance. I haven't done anything about it because I figure in the worse case scenario, I can just toss out the stuff I don't need for an unplanned emergency. The portable one has about 4 days of food and water, medical supplies, change of clothes, Leatherman tool, etc.
 
Someone may have said it already, but a good place to start is the blog "Listening to Katrina." The guy went through the hurricane, and had to "bug out" and describes his ordeal and what he did (or should have done).

Frankly, what I got out of it is that having a DESTINATION is more important than having a bag. People who have nowhere to go tend to have more problems. They aren't survivors as much as they are refugees. From the moment you set out, "home" should be the goal, whether you are working in the city and your home is outside the city away from trouble, or whether "home" is an uncle living in another state. Once you consider this, THEN tailor your bag to allow you to get "home". Without knowing more about where you're starting from and where you're ending, we really can't advise you very well on what to put in this bag.

Just remember - Why walk when you can bike? Why bike when you can drive? Why drive when you can fly? Why move at all if you can stay in place?

Also - don't buy crap gear. If you buy a knife, buy one GOOD knife instead of two pieces of junk. Or if you want a compass or a map, get decent stuff. If you REALLY need it, you want it to work. Buy a few pieces of the best and don't just cruise the camping section at the local wallyworld and buy everything in sight that's marked down to $1.99.
 
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I love that handcart idea!!! I'm going to do something similar, I think! They are very common at CAS matches, go over to SASSnet.com and do a search for gun carts.
 
This was my blog entry today. It took me a while to write a response to this thread.

A post at THR.ORG caught my eye the other day.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=517423

Its a post about bug out bags (BOBs). It got me thinking, so I figured I'd write about it. it took me a while to put my thoughts into words. So here goes. You may note that the essay is not oriented toward wilderness survival. This one got a bit long, so I think I will stop now. I may amplify a few points later on.

I see a lot of posts about BOBs on the Internet. It seems to abound with equipment lists, pictures, and videos of BOBs. I have looked at a fair number of them, and I have come to the conclusion that most of the owners would benefit from sitting down and having a long think session about just what it is they are trying to prepare for. To me a BOB is just part of a more comprehensive plan. You need to think these things through before a BO is necessary.

The following points are not really suggestions so much as things you might want to ponder. They are in no particular order.

My BOB is also my GHB (get home bag) and part of my car kit. It stays in the car since the realistic scenarios where I have to take off involve me doing so by car. It also serves as an urban survival kit (USK), something a youtuber going by the name of Nutnfancy talks about in a 3 part, long winded and rambling, but thought provoking series.

Bag. To me there is nothing more suitable for a BOB than some kind of back pack. I see some posts advocating various kinds of messenger type bags. To me they look like big purses. They do have the advantage of being a little less conspicuous, but thats not a big issue when bugging out by vehicle as you most likely will. A subdued color is probably best - black, darker blue, green, nothing that will attract a lot of attention in an urban environment. Some posts I have seen suggest that black is too tactical, camo is too obvious, and OD is too military looking for urban use. My pack is a surplus Austrian pack that is a green color. If people think about it they would probably eventually figure it is some kind of military pack. In any case, that is the least of my worries if I have to hoof it. IMO, you should definitely stay away from bright colors like orange or red that will attract attention no matter where you are. My pack is bigger than it really needs to be, but better to have some extra room IMO.

Weight. Most of us are not in a position to lug a heavy pack for any distance, and in any case, we most likely will be bugging out by vehicle if bugging out is required. My thought is that a BOB might well be modularized so that while it might start out pretty heavy for bugging out by vehicle, you can take out some modules to lighten it up if you do have to hoof it. I am thinking 25 pounds is about the most I want to carry.

Most of us live and work in (sub)urban areas, and we would probably will be bugging out from one (sub)urban area to another. Yet, a lot of BOBs seem more oriented toward wilderness survival than urban survival.

Weapons. I can't tell you how many BOBs seem to have 30 pounds or more of guns and ammo in them. I am a big fan of firearms in general, but I can't see carrying an arsenal around with you. But, YMMV.

Food. Food is to some extent a comfort item while you are bugging out, but its not unimportant. I have seen all kinds of food choices being advocated - MRES, freeze dried entrées, and candy or bar type food of some kind seem to be the most common. Some people claim to have all three. I am on a low carb diet so I stay away from things that are full of sugar and starch so all of those choices are out for me. I have a jar of roasted peanuts. I like roasted peanuts. I eat them pretty regularly anyway, so why not throw a jar in my pack? I used to stock beef jerky in my pack and rotate it out now and then as a snack, but there are few commercially packaged jerkys that are not full of sugar, so I have gone to making my own. I am not real comfortable storing it for any length of time. So right now my food stocks in the pack consist of a jar of peanuts, as I have gotten rid of the things I no longer eat.

Water is no doubt a more important issue than food in a short term situation. Getting dehydrated is a quick way to get put out of the game altogether. Water is heavy. A three day's supply of water, perhaps 3 gallons, is about 25 pounds. Since most of us will probably be dealing with an urban environment, it seems like it would make sense at least in part deal with the realities of water in an urban environment. In the woods, most of the time you are only worried about bacteria, viruses and other small critters that can be killed by boiling, iodine or chlorine tablets, or by removing them altogether with a filter. In an urban environment, the streams and rivers will likely be contaminated with chemicals and no amount of boiling or disinfection will make it safe to drink. So what do you do? Well, obviously the first choice is to use the potable water that comes out of the tap. Its already safe to drink. Before you head for the hills, stop and fill up your water containers from the tap. You might want to consider having a sill-cock key for use on outdoors taps that don't have handles on them. A lot of people obsess over their water containers. I just recycle polycarbonate beverage containers. Canteens work, as do Nalgene bottles and bladders of various types. I just don't see any reason to spend money on them when I have perfectly serviceable containers coming through my hands on a regular basis. These days some of the bottled water bottles are pretty flimsy and I would not use them, but I go through a fair amount of lemon juice and those bottles are pretty tough. I suggest one or 2 liters of stored water (don't forget to rotate) and another 1 or 2 liters of empty containers you can fill up as you get a chance. I do think there is some merit to having a means of disinfection or filtering available as well. Its not that unusual for the city water supply to get contaminated and a boil order in place. Or the city water might be interrupted and you might have to use alternate sources. Keep in mind that most of the people on the Internet that talk about water purification are really talking about disinfecting.

Shelter. A lot of BOBs tend to have lightweight tarps or tents in them for use as a shelter. A tarp or two seems like a more versatile item to me than a tent.

Clothing. Rarely do I see a change of clothes in a BOB list. You will really appreciate some clean dry clothes if you fall in the mud.

Cold weather and rain gear. Cold is cold, and wet cold is worse.

Foot wear. How are you going to walk 30 miles through the mud in your $500 Italian loafers?

Pets and other family members. Many bug out plans seem to forget about other family members. This is especially important if you have children, or elderly people you have some responsibility for, and for pets. Are you going to just leave your family dog to die? The thing is that most shelters won't take in pets. You need to consider these things up front.

Prepositioning. It seems logical that perhaps you might want to consider storing some gear and supplies in places you frequent. Maybe a change of clothes and some MREs in an empty filing cabinet drawer in your office at work? An MRE could come in real handy if you forget your lunch one day.

FAK. I think a lot of people go way overboard on first aid and medical items. Some kits are packed full of stuff the guy carrying it does not even know how or when to use. When you point that out to them, they tend to get defensive and say things like "I'd rather do something than watch someone die". Well, if you don't know what to do, anything you do might make an injured party even worse off. The other common answer is that the gear they don't know how to use is really for the trauma surgeon fairy who will be appearing ready to save the day, except he forget his suture kit. My suggestion is a minimal FAK. OTC medicines, and things to stop bleeding, and deal with minor injuries. I am pretty much convinced most people do not need anything more than what they can fit in a sandwich size zip-lock bag. There are plenty of FAK videos on youtube. I hate to sound like a Nutnfancy sycophant, but his videos on what he calls a level 1 FAK are pretty much in line with what I consider an acceptable FAK. Personally, I would skip the suture kit though. Ultimately, like many things, this is a personal decision. A fellow on youtube that goes by the moniker of USNERDOC has some good stuff on these kind of things as well.

Bugging out to where? This seems to me to be a central issue that advocates of bugging out never really talk about. There are vague suggestions they might bug out to a friend or relative's place, or to some other prearranged location. But a lot of the posters seem to be of the mind they are going to walk off into the woods and live off the land. For most BO situations, most people will be going from one urban area to another, likely from your home locale to a remote motel, campground, or shelter of some sort. Some people may have friends or family they can go stay with, but really, in a bug out type scenario, say something like Katrina, do you know anyone that is willing to take you, your wife, your three brats, your cat, and both dogs in as guests for an indefinite period of time? Think about how you would react if someone just showed up on your door step one day with his whole of troop of people and pets and said he needed a place to stay for "awhile". These kind of issues need addressing well before a BO situation actually occurs.
 
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