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I have a small Bug-Home-bag, but I will most likely stand my ground at home.
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Obviously new to S&T. These guys can take anything seriously, and usually do.
So in that serious vein, we should note that there are folks with a great deal of experience packing "BOBs"; people who spend dozens of days per year actually surviving out in the wilderness. Of course, those backpackers and mountaineers never seem to include AR-15s and hundreds of rounds of ammo in their packing lists. There's a lesson in there, at least for folks who aren't completely tied to the "looking really cool while saving the world and bagging grateful chicks" deal.
FWIW, a quick Yahoo search will reveal all the real-world "BOB" packing lists and information you could hope to find. http://www.backpacking.net/cheklist.html is a good start.
So in that serious vein, we should note that there are folks with a great deal of experience packing "BOBs"; people who spend dozens of days per year actually surviving out in the wilderness. Of course, those backpackers and mountaineers never seem to include AR-15s and hundreds of rounds of ammo in their packing lists. There's a lesson in there, at least for folks who aren't completely tied to the "looking really cool while saving the world and bagging grateful chicks" deal.
FWIW, a quick Yahoo search will reveal all the real-world "BOB" packing lists and information you could hope to find. http://www.backpacking.net/cheklist.html is a good start.
JImbothefiveth
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Interesting list. What would a backpacker take on a hunting trip?
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I've never gone hunting and backpacking at the same time, primarily because I don't really know how I'd get my game animal back to the trailhead. Packing out a couple hundred pounds of meat in addition to a 40-60 pound backpack... Pass.
If I was planning on "living off of the land" instead of freeze dried, I'd pack a .22 handgun for rabbits and such. I wouldn't bring a hunting rifle because I wouldn't be able to consume a big game animal before most of it spoiled. And I wouldn't bring a military-styled automatic with hundreds of rounds, a shotgun with several packs of buck, and a handgun with half a dozen spare mags, because all that crap is really heavy and unwieldy and almost completely useless in any even remotely realistic survival scenario.
TimboKhan
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I agree with this statement 100%. I have a bag that I carry on a daily basis, and I keep things like blankets, candles, gloves, etc... in my truck. Even down here on the CO plains, it gets cold pretty quick at night, after all.
Past that, I just can't see the need for a BoB, though it has taken me a long time to get past the inherent fun of picking out sweet gear and packing it around to figure that out. Also, I have read some very interesting things about Katrina style BoB here and elsewhere. The practical wisdom seems to indicate that the popular wisdom is pretty goofy nine times out of ten.
Here where I live, I am well above any flood plain. About the only thing that would make me bug out is a tornado, but even then I am far safer staying in my home than I am trying to outrun it. My dad is 30 minutes northwest of me, my mom is 30 minutes southeast of me, and I have good, close friends anywhere from 5 minutes to 45 minutes away if I really need to take off. The chances of some major disaster wiping us all out are virtually nil, and the one that does will probably kill us all.
On the subject of tornadoes, a massive tornado passed within about 2 miles of my house two summers ago. (Google "Windsor Tornado if your interested). I live in Greeley, but by the time the storm swept through, the tornado passed just to the northwest of me. Literally, this is about the only SHTF natural event that I can foresee occuring, and I have planned for it inasmuch as one can plan for a giant funnel cloud. My plans do not include AR-15's, many hundreds of rounds of ammo, multiple fighting knives, shuriken, bows and arrows, kubotans or anything of the sort. I went to Windsor to help where I could, and what I realized was that walking around packing heat in situations like that accomplishes two things: A firearm would bring an intense amount of attention to you. I saw not one single person in Windsor carrying an AR, to include the fuzz. The second thing is, it is just going to get in your way. Home defense took something of a backdoor to home rescue.
Anyway, for me practical, logical planning means planning for events that are likely to happen, not events that are maybe a once in a millenia type of event. Once I realized that the whole BoB thing might have gotten out of control with me, I took a historical view of events that could reasonably require anything even approaching a real need for a BoB. I couldn't find a single one, outside of twisters, and even twisters aren't as huge a concern as one might imagine. There isn't a single emergency that I can think of in my house that my normal camping backpack (which is essentially pre-loaded) wouldn't handle, and any extra gear that I needed could be found and packed in under 30 seconds.
As I have mentioned, I am a recent unconvert to the whole BoB thing. I argued them and argued them until I came to realize that I was arguing for nothing.
With all this being said, you all do what you wish. My choices are MY choices, and who am I to tell someone how prepared they should be?
Not to shift the topic too far, but what about a Get Home Bag? For virtually all the situations I can think of here in SOCAL, bugging out on foot is a solution to none. If gas isn't available en route, bugging out by car isn't even feasible; the distance is too great, the climate too warm and dry and in some situations I can see some areas not safe for someone passing through. A GHB is designed to get me from work to home should a very large earthquake make driving a non-starter due to certain bridges not being available.
As part of the kit I keep in my truck, there's a small back-pack for taking a long walk home. Leaving the truck and its gear is a major decision, in most instances, I'm personally better off just staying with the truck at work (food, water, shelter). However, if I need to walk there's a bag set up for that. Think of it as a reverse BOB. Thoughts?
As part of the kit I keep in my truck, there's a small back-pack for taking a long walk home. Leaving the truck and its gear is a major decision, in most instances, I'm personally better off just staying with the truck at work (food, water, shelter). However, if I need to walk there's a bag set up for that. Think of it as a reverse BOB. Thoughts?
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~300 rds of ammo but only 3 days worth of food?
Start with:
Clean water & water purifiers, calorie-dense energy bars, acetaminophen/ibuprofen, hygeine/sanitation, change of socks, pistol w/2-3 magazines, flashlight w/additional batteries, knife.
From there, adjust the following seasonally:
Change of clothes, blankets, hand warmers, fire ignition, hat, additional water.
Anything else, base on where you likely to be, and where you are likely to go, and what is likely to help you make that trip. Keep weight down. Having to carry a big heavy bag can slow you down and wear you out.
Start with:
Clean water & water purifiers, calorie-dense energy bars, acetaminophen/ibuprofen, hygeine/sanitation, change of socks, pistol w/2-3 magazines, flashlight w/additional batteries, knife.
From there, adjust the following seasonally:
Change of clothes, blankets, hand warmers, fire ignition, hat, additional water.
Anything else, base on where you likely to be, and where you are likely to go, and what is likely to help you make that trip. Keep weight down. Having to carry a big heavy bag can slow you down and wear you out.
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riverdog:
I think along those lines as well. Of all the gear I keep in my truck, the most important "survival" gear is stuffed into a 20-pound backpack. I also have my small EDC bag with basic essentials with me most of the time I'm in my truck. So in the event I'm trying to get home to "bug-in", and vehicle travel suddenly becomes impossible, I can just grab these portable packs and leave the vehicle (assuming that's safe to do). The most weaponry I have on me at any time is a single handgun and a knife or two, never a long gun.
If I were forced to head into the wilderness on foot for an extended bug-out, I'd take my internal-frame hikers pack loaded with 50 or 60 pounds of gear and possibly an 870 Marine 12 gauge, depending on the situation. Although I've been hiking and camping in the wilderness all my life, I've never had to actually live out of a backpack for days at a time. I plan to try soon, however, and after that experience, I'll probably re-think all of my "essential" equipment.
I think along those lines as well. Of all the gear I keep in my truck, the most important "survival" gear is stuffed into a 20-pound backpack. I also have my small EDC bag with basic essentials with me most of the time I'm in my truck. So in the event I'm trying to get home to "bug-in", and vehicle travel suddenly becomes impossible, I can just grab these portable packs and leave the vehicle (assuming that's safe to do). The most weaponry I have on me at any time is a single handgun and a knife or two, never a long gun.
If I were forced to head into the wilderness on foot for an extended bug-out, I'd take my internal-frame hikers pack loaded with 50 or 60 pounds of gear and possibly an 870 Marine 12 gauge, depending on the situation. Although I've been hiking and camping in the wilderness all my life, I've never had to actually live out of a backpack for days at a time. I plan to try soon, however, and after that experience, I'll probably re-think all of my "essential" equipment.
I lived in Los Angeles for 35 years and I agree 100% with Riverdog, given that particular situation. My and my wife's plan was, in the event of a massive earthquake -- and Southern Calif. is the "earthquake capitol of the lower 48 -- to get home, should one strike when we were not home.
Therefore, we always kept "earthquake kits," in the trunks of our cars. The plan was if we could manage to drive home, well and good. If not, drive as far as possible, leave the car making note of the address/place where the car was abandoned, hoist our "earthquake kit" back packs, put on the good, well broken in hiking boots also kept in the trunk (No tennies! Broken glass, nails and shattered debris would eat your tennies aive!!), and hike home.
That also included good maps of the entire Los Angeles area, plenty of water, etc.
At home, even if we had to drag out a tent and "camp" in the yard, we'd be okay because of the preparations at home we'd made long ago. Far better off at home than in some FEMA gym!
Now, here in Idaho, we've changed the kits somewhat and we call them our "winter kits." Same thing. Survive the emergency.
L.W.
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Expertowgunner
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seriously i would say i my bug out bag out here in the boondocks is simple. heres a list of the stuff in my bag and the bags i use:
Erbelstock medium rucksack with back scabbard for spare shotgun or rifle
Norinco sks with 350 rounds 150 on stripper clips 200 in boxes
2 slots for water hydration systems are used withe 2 camelback water sacks plus 1 hose
kabar knife
iodine tabs
water purif tabs
3 packs of mre meals
spare socks
modern e-tool
flint for fire plus a few packs of waterproof matches
2 flashlights my little cheapo led for general use and my surefire light for entry/need for bright light
spare batteries for both lights
army survival handbook and ranger field manual
small radio
good med kit (dads a nurse and cousin is medic in army so i got the good stuff lol)
little collapsible ruger 22 rifle fits neatly in pack with 500 rounds of 22.
some personal stuff i have (bible, journal,etc)
army issue wiley x glasses
2 spare canteens for water
some more stuff i forgot
would have a pistol but only 19 would get "my" glock 23 from my dad if i could only 3 minutes away and have about 200 rounds for that plus 5 mags and cc holster and thigh rig
everything i mentioned would get me through a tight spot got a ar 15 but that would be my girlfriends gun as she can operate it better than my sks (damn good with both anyway) and she has a similiar rig as well and i have a chest rig for her and me as well if needed and would take my 06 trailblazer head to her moms she lives out in the country with her own well and has a nice generator as well.
Erbelstock medium rucksack with back scabbard for spare shotgun or rifle
Norinco sks with 350 rounds 150 on stripper clips 200 in boxes
2 slots for water hydration systems are used withe 2 camelback water sacks plus 1 hose
kabar knife
iodine tabs
water purif tabs
3 packs of mre meals
spare socks
modern e-tool
flint for fire plus a few packs of waterproof matches
2 flashlights my little cheapo led for general use and my surefire light for entry/need for bright light
spare batteries for both lights
army survival handbook and ranger field manual
small radio
good med kit (dads a nurse and cousin is medic in army so i got the good stuff lol)
little collapsible ruger 22 rifle fits neatly in pack with 500 rounds of 22.
some personal stuff i have (bible, journal,etc)
army issue wiley x glasses
2 spare canteens for water
some more stuff i forgot
would have a pistol but only 19 would get "my" glock 23 from my dad if i could only 3 minutes away and have about 200 rounds for that plus 5 mags and cc holster and thigh rig
everything i mentioned would get me through a tight spot got a ar 15 but that would be my girlfriends gun as she can operate it better than my sks (damn good with both anyway) and she has a similiar rig as well and i have a chest rig for her and me as well if needed and would take my 06 trailblazer head to her moms she lives out in the country with her own well and has a nice generator as well.
wheelgunslinger
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All you folks who are carrying rifles, bricks of ammo, bible/koran/whatever, 20 lbs of first aid supplies, etc, should load all that stuff and make a dry run with it to whatever destination you might have planned for your bug out destination.
You do have a plan, don't you?
As an avid backpacker, I know that every ounce counts. And, I know that a lot of desk pilots don't have the remaining musculature to hold up to a multi-mile hike in the best of conditions, let alone the worst mid/post disaster. Sure, you have plenty of maxi-pads and ibuprofen for open wounds and such, but what if you pull your groin because you're out of shape or overstress your back and can't keep going because you are sedentary.
If you think you want a 80 lb ruck, load your pack with 80 lbs and hit a trail. See how far you get and how you feel the next day/week.
I'm also an avid bowhunter and hunt in the backcountry out of my pack. Killing a medium sized game animal is a big deal. You may use the hide, but unless you have multiple people with you, you'll waste a lot of that deer. And, living on rabbits won't net you what you need in terms of nutrition.
And, you need to have a provision for keeping things sanitary as well. Gutting and butchering animals is nasty work. There's no tap water and Dawn at the ready.
What do you do when you get a case of giardia because you don't know how to properly treat water in your bottle?
What do you do when you run out of treated water because it's summer and you needed a lot more water than you thought you would- depleting your supply of iodine pills.
Practical use before the event and employment of your internet recommended products will show you the holes in your gear.
Make time to make a dry run.
You do have a plan, don't you?
As an avid backpacker, I know that every ounce counts. And, I know that a lot of desk pilots don't have the remaining musculature to hold up to a multi-mile hike in the best of conditions, let alone the worst mid/post disaster. Sure, you have plenty of maxi-pads and ibuprofen for open wounds and such, but what if you pull your groin because you're out of shape or overstress your back and can't keep going because you are sedentary.
If you think you want a 80 lb ruck, load your pack with 80 lbs and hit a trail. See how far you get and how you feel the next day/week.
I'm also an avid bowhunter and hunt in the backcountry out of my pack. Killing a medium sized game animal is a big deal. You may use the hide, but unless you have multiple people with you, you'll waste a lot of that deer. And, living on rabbits won't net you what you need in terms of nutrition.
And, you need to have a provision for keeping things sanitary as well. Gutting and butchering animals is nasty work. There's no tap water and Dawn at the ready.
What do you do when you get a case of giardia because you don't know how to properly treat water in your bottle?
What do you do when you run out of treated water because it's summer and you needed a lot more water than you thought you would- depleting your supply of iodine pills.
Practical use before the event and employment of your internet recommended products will show you the holes in your gear.
Make time to make a dry run.
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Pack guns, ammo, non-perishable food, and tools.
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I'm another one of those who doesn't really have a purpose for a bug-out bag. I have nowhere to go, all around me is hundreds of miles of desert, and outside of town I don't know a soul within a thousand miles. I'm not bugging-out anywhere, certainly not on foot.
Now, a get-home bag I could see some use for. Or really, a Road Trip Emergency bag. Some time ago I was given a pre-assembled roadside emergency kit as a gift. I looked inside, and most of the kit was junk. It has basically just sat in my closet since then, rather than take up precious room in my truck.
I think I will put together a Road Trip Emergency bag before my next major road trip, though.
I will most likely include the following:
- road flares, if I can get them
- poncho/thermal blanket
- first aid kit
- fixed blade knife
- Swiss Army knife or Leatherman tool, or both
- duct tape, paracord, chewing gum, and a spool of wire (or, as I think of these items, the "Jury-Rigger's Tool Kit")
- zip-lock bag of varying-sized rubber bands
- a few extra zip-lock bags
- a few 30 gallon plastic trash bags
- flashlight, preferably LED, extra batteries for same
- several disposable lighters, perhaps matches too
- compass (I'd include maps, but if I'm traveling I don't know what maps I'd need)
- pen and small notepad
- 2 twenty-dollar bills and a few dollars in quarters
- bar of soap and a roll of toilet paper
- at least one change of underwear and socks
- water purifier bottle
- small can of instant coffee
- 1 or 2 of those miniature bottles of booze, preferably plastic (glass breaks).
- Emergency ration bars, enough for a few days.
- a crowbar, because it's the basic tool; hammer, prybar/lever, and ye olde blunt instrument
... and a towel, of course.
I usually travel (road-trip travel, not around-town) with a pistol, ammo, mags, and cleaning kit in a small lock-box anyway. Hopefully if I have time to grab my emergency bag, I'll have time to grab that, too. And if I don't have my keys to open the lock-box... well, I'll already have a use for that crowbar.
Now, a get-home bag I could see some use for. Or really, a Road Trip Emergency bag. Some time ago I was given a pre-assembled roadside emergency kit as a gift. I looked inside, and most of the kit was junk. It has basically just sat in my closet since then, rather than take up precious room in my truck.
I think I will put together a Road Trip Emergency bag before my next major road trip, though.
I will most likely include the following:
- road flares, if I can get them
- poncho/thermal blanket
- first aid kit
- fixed blade knife
- Swiss Army knife or Leatherman tool, or both
- duct tape, paracord, chewing gum, and a spool of wire (or, as I think of these items, the "Jury-Rigger's Tool Kit")
- zip-lock bag of varying-sized rubber bands
- a few extra zip-lock bags
- a few 30 gallon plastic trash bags
- flashlight, preferably LED, extra batteries for same
- several disposable lighters, perhaps matches too
- compass (I'd include maps, but if I'm traveling I don't know what maps I'd need)
- pen and small notepad
- 2 twenty-dollar bills and a few dollars in quarters
- bar of soap and a roll of toilet paper
- at least one change of underwear and socks
- water purifier bottle
- small can of instant coffee
- 1 or 2 of those miniature bottles of booze, preferably plastic (glass breaks).
- Emergency ration bars, enough for a few days.
- a crowbar, because it's the basic tool; hammer, prybar/lever, and ye olde blunt instrument
... and a towel, of course.
I usually travel (road-trip travel, not around-town) with a pistol, ammo, mags, and cleaning kit in a small lock-box anyway. Hopefully if I have time to grab my emergency bag, I'll have time to grab that, too. And if I don't have my keys to open the lock-box... well, I'll already have a use for that crowbar.
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Al Thompson
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The "Get Home" bag makes the most sense of anything I've read here. Heck, all of my stuff is here and I live in a decent small sub-division.
Sheddy
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I may be echoing what was already said, but I'll go ahead and say there's really no right or wrong. In any one particular situation you could find a system applicable, but it all boils down to in this modern day, what do you feel you'll most likely encounter? Take the top 1 or 2 and plan accordingly. If you can't come up with anything then problem solved. If you live near the coast, consider hurricanes, if you live up north and its snowstorms a plenty, consider that.
As far as an extensive amount of arms and ammo, is it possible in a given situation? Sure. However, that said, is the situation likely to occur? If the answer is no then you probably need to rethink it. I would add however, that having suitable gear to assemble something on the fly wouldn't be a bad idea even if you think having a BOB is bad. I.e. a good backpack, a first aid kit that's already in kit, etc. I see no reason to have a BOB, but if I needed to have a gear set up happen rather quickly I'd have a suitable platform to assemble it.
As far as an extensive amount of arms and ammo, is it possible in a given situation? Sure. However, that said, is the situation likely to occur? If the answer is no then you probably need to rethink it. I would add however, that having suitable gear to assemble something on the fly wouldn't be a bad idea even if you think having a BOB is bad. I.e. a good backpack, a first aid kit that's already in kit, etc. I see no reason to have a BOB, but if I needed to have a gear set up happen rather quickly I'd have a suitable platform to assemble it.
HoosierQ
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Yep...Bug In Bag / Get Home Bag is a very good idea and most definitely not off topic. Folks just want to be prepared.
I too have no place to go. Realistically, the only large scale disaster that I have any need to worry about is the once every 500 year earthquake that Indiana is supposed to expect (last one, 1819, New Madrid). Nobody is holding their breath waiting on that one and I live in a wooden house with no gas service so I think I am coming through that ok.
Tornados are common here but they come and go so fast nobody is bugging out to anywhere but the basement, and then you won't have far to go...but that is a good use of a bug out bag around here. Have some stuff handy that you can keep hold of, cash, meds, etc.
Now this is going to sound funny but I have something that I use when I am in hotels and whatnot...a bug out vest. Don't laugh...not yet anyway.
I have one of those photojournalists vests that has probably 20 pockets in it, inside and out. Every thing that I need in the event of, let's say a hotel fire, fits in there with ease...cell phone, wallet, keys, knives, my 642 and 25 rounds. You go to bed in some comfy sweats, have a pair of slip on Merrel mocs at the bedside and all of your most needed items in the vest. The alarm goes off, you slip on the shoes, grab the vest and down the stairs you go. Think about it. You're in a hotel, you have you stuff in strange places unlike at home. This way, it's all in one place...grab it and go. And, if you also had a bug out bag, grab that on the way out the door. The last couple of times we were under tornado warnings here I did that too...loaded up the vest with everything just in case.
Having a good bug out, get home, whatever bag I think is the SHTF, TEOTWAWKI thread for the "rest of us".
I too have no place to go. Realistically, the only large scale disaster that I have any need to worry about is the once every 500 year earthquake that Indiana is supposed to expect (last one, 1819, New Madrid). Nobody is holding their breath waiting on that one and I live in a wooden house with no gas service so I think I am coming through that ok.
Tornados are common here but they come and go so fast nobody is bugging out to anywhere but the basement, and then you won't have far to go...but that is a good use of a bug out bag around here. Have some stuff handy that you can keep hold of, cash, meds, etc.
Now this is going to sound funny but I have something that I use when I am in hotels and whatnot...a bug out vest. Don't laugh...not yet anyway.
I have one of those photojournalists vests that has probably 20 pockets in it, inside and out. Every thing that I need in the event of, let's say a hotel fire, fits in there with ease...cell phone, wallet, keys, knives, my 642 and 25 rounds. You go to bed in some comfy sweats, have a pair of slip on Merrel mocs at the bedside and all of your most needed items in the vest. The alarm goes off, you slip on the shoes, grab the vest and down the stairs you go. Think about it. You're in a hotel, you have you stuff in strange places unlike at home. This way, it's all in one place...grab it and go. And, if you also had a bug out bag, grab that on the way out the door. The last couple of times we were under tornado warnings here I did that too...loaded up the vest with everything just in case.
Having a good bug out, get home, whatever bag I think is the SHTF, TEOTWAWKI thread for the "rest of us".
DammitBoy
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Is it just me or are all these people who say they'd never have to bug out ignoring silly little things like train/trucking accidents with really nasty chemicals?
That's just one example of many that I can think of that would require really rapid movement away from one's home.
Never say never fellas...
That's just one example of many that I can think of that would require really rapid movement away from one's home.
Never say never fellas...
ThrottleJockey72
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With the hundreds of threads about BOBs already on here, and the fact that new ones generally get closed by the mods quickly, I find it odd that a mod posted in a new one and it is still open. You guys are among the biggest hypocrites I know.
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In the event of a chemical spill forcing me to leave my home, the last thing I would need is an AR-15 and hundreds of rounds of ammo.
In point of fact, one is almost perfectly safe in saying "In the event of _______________, the last thing I would need is an AR-15 and hundreds of rounds of ammo."
Which is why the BOB threads almost always draw their share of fun-making.
In point of fact, one is almost perfectly safe in saying "In the event of _______________, the last thing I would need is an AR-15 and hundreds of rounds of ammo."
Which is why the BOB threads almost always draw their share of fun-making.
ccsniper
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I thought we didnt do bug out bag stuff here?
jimmyraythomason
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Well dammitboy, for starters there are no trains within 50 miles of me. My parents DID have to evacuate once because of a tanker truck overturning. They evacuated to my house which was outside the perimeter of concern. We watched videos for a couple of hours until the all clear was given. No B-O-B needed.
ScottG1911
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I think what the OP is really getting at is a SHTF scenario with the government. just my opinion and I could be wrong, but with what I read thats the vibe I get. Nothing wrong with that though. I have a BOB Built for the scenarion of total collapse of infrastructure. will anything happen where I need my bag, probably. now thats not to say the government is gonna collapse, but my bag has the supplies to meet many needs. most needs that will arise will not cause me to leave my home. thus I can keep other stuff in there that I won't need in those events. and if all out SHTF happens I like to know I have a relativle light pack to sustain us for a few weeks, until we get to where we are going and get a survival system set up. and before yall call me crazy and paranoid, just know this bag is the same as having a gun for protection, you don't plan on getting attacked, but nice to have that gun if it happens no?
BOB: I started with a large ALICE ruck, 2 pairs complete BDU's, 2pr od shirt. 3pr socks & boxers. 2 pr gloves, 2 pc winter hat, 3L camelback, 1qt canteen, E-Tool, KA-BAR knife, SOG seal pup knife, gun cleaning supplies. 2lb tannerite, 2 mag fire starters, wp matches, fire logs, first aid kit, fish line, hooks, needles, thread, compass, map, snares, signal mirror & whistle, knife sharpener, 100ft 550 chord, 4 light sticks, poncho, emergency blanket, tape,salt,sugar, asprines, calamine lotion, multi-tool, screwdriver and thats really all I can remember.
Weapons: besides the knives listed above, all I want is my 22 rifle with 4x scope and irons. everything else is too damn heavy. if I need to get out and have the option to use a vehicle then my shotgun will go. but for now my 22 and 1000 rounds of ammo is fine. I don't plan on going to war with no one. and if I gotta, my 22 will kill anything trying to hurt me or my girl. (she gets to carry a tent and sleeping bag and 2prs clothes)
but honestly this BOB just sits here in my closet. it's definatly a good idea to have somthing that can be used in most situations. but some of you guys are ready to wage war. if you really honestly believe the government is gonna kill us all and all that stuff, think about this. why not carry a light load and get to where you are going, and then go find a rifle and ammo on the ground. cause if all hell did break loose in this country, there will be alot of M16's lying around,
great now I'm starting to sound like a crazy lol
BOB: I started with a large ALICE ruck, 2 pairs complete BDU's, 2pr od shirt. 3pr socks & boxers. 2 pr gloves, 2 pc winter hat, 3L camelback, 1qt canteen, E-Tool, KA-BAR knife, SOG seal pup knife, gun cleaning supplies. 2lb tannerite, 2 mag fire starters, wp matches, fire logs, first aid kit, fish line, hooks, needles, thread, compass, map, snares, signal mirror & whistle, knife sharpener, 100ft 550 chord, 4 light sticks, poncho, emergency blanket, tape,salt,sugar, asprines, calamine lotion, multi-tool, screwdriver and thats really all I can remember.
Weapons: besides the knives listed above, all I want is my 22 rifle with 4x scope and irons. everything else is too damn heavy. if I need to get out and have the option to use a vehicle then my shotgun will go. but for now my 22 and 1000 rounds of ammo is fine. I don't plan on going to war with no one. and if I gotta, my 22 will kill anything trying to hurt me or my girl. (she gets to carry a tent and sleeping bag and 2prs clothes)
but honestly this BOB just sits here in my closet. it's definatly a good idea to have somthing that can be used in most situations. but some of you guys are ready to wage war. if you really honestly believe the government is gonna kill us all and all that stuff, think about this. why not carry a light load and get to where you are going, and then go find a rifle and ammo on the ground. cause if all hell did break loose in this country, there will be alot of M16's lying around,
great now I'm starting to sound like a crazy lol
DammitBoy
Member
To clarify - I don't plan on bugging out to anywhere. I hunkered down right here at home and weathered through Katrina and the hordes of scumbags coming up from New Orleans in the aftermath. Ddidn't need my AR and hundreds of rounds of ammo either - but they were there if I did need them. I did wear my .45 open carry everywhere I went, including when I volunteered to help distribute ice at an aid station.
We did just fine surviving two weeks without electricity or water because we were prepared for the situation.
Which does not mean I'm not prepared for a situation that would require bugging out. To be prepared means to prepare for the unlikely as well as the forseen situations that might arise.
If you can't envision a situation that would require you to bugout, you're not preparing for every eventuality that might occur.
In a superduper shtf government collapse scenario, my family is headed out to the family farm in the sticks and I'm bringing everything.
We did just fine surviving two weeks without electricity or water because we were prepared for the situation.
Which does not mean I'm not prepared for a situation that would require bugging out. To be prepared means to prepare for the unlikely as well as the forseen situations that might arise.
If you can't envision a situation that would require you to bugout, you're not preparing for every eventuality that might occur.
In a superduper shtf government collapse scenario, my family is headed out to the family farm in the sticks and I'm bringing everything.
R3dundantC
Member
Most people don't know how to use them together properly. I've been on many a trek where someone forgot to adjust for declination, and we end up miles off.
CapnMac
Member
It's not the bag. it's the Plan.
Without a plan, the bag is just a heavy weight.
For me the plan works in threes, City, County, State. That defines the amount of movement. Now, the scope of movement tends to define the duration, too. Now, I'm in Texas, which skews my perspective a bit, about 400 miles to get out of state for me.
But, we recently were reminded of how the unexpected can catch you unawares. We had a chemical plant fire, which burned half a day, with potentially caustic fumes right through downtown (right past the EOC, no less). And, I live astride one of the three exit routes out of the Houston metro area. (1st anniversery of Ike is this weekend, in case we needed any reminders.)
Others here have made the point I'll reiterate. Part of your plan has to include some drilling in it. Ok, your plan is to stand pat. Ok. Have you given that a try? used the camp stove on the patio? Lived off your stored water? Including hygine use? Flipped the breakers for th elights, the tv, and all of it off? (Please leave the fridge and freezers on--it's only an exercise.) Go the keekend living out of coolers; out of 20L water cans; campstove cooking, all in the semi-dark. Here in Central Texas, in the heat and humidity, too. This takes some tough. Going a week is even more work. There were folk in Harris Co who went weeks without power.
Without a plan, the bag is just a heavy weight.
For me the plan works in threes, City, County, State. That defines the amount of movement. Now, the scope of movement tends to define the duration, too. Now, I'm in Texas, which skews my perspective a bit, about 400 miles to get out of state for me.
But, we recently were reminded of how the unexpected can catch you unawares. We had a chemical plant fire, which burned half a day, with potentially caustic fumes right through downtown (right past the EOC, no less). And, I live astride one of the three exit routes out of the Houston metro area. (1st anniversery of Ike is this weekend, in case we needed any reminders.)
Others here have made the point I'll reiterate. Part of your plan has to include some drilling in it. Ok, your plan is to stand pat. Ok. Have you given that a try? used the camp stove on the patio? Lived off your stored water? Including hygine use? Flipped the breakers for th elights, the tv, and all of it off? (Please leave the fridge and freezers on--it's only an exercise.) Go the keekend living out of coolers; out of 20L water cans; campstove cooking, all in the semi-dark. Here in Central Texas, in the heat and humidity, too. This takes some tough. Going a week is even more work. There were folk in Harris Co who went weeks without power.
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