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I saw something very interesting today. I always thought sparks when a bullet impacts was a myth. But today I was shooting with my VZ58 at wood planks and I swear there was a big spark at the moment of impact! just like in the movies, I never saw something like this before. I guess it's very rare but it can happen. I was shooting at wood maybe there was a rock behind and it hit and made a spark but Im not sure. Have you ever experienced this?
 
Just with rocks in the backstop or berm.
The rocks produce the sparks when the bullet hits them.

Copper & lead bullets are non-ferrous metal, and cannot produce a spark on their own.

rc
 
When a cylindrical projectile is turned into a platter shaped projectile in a very short moment of time, a lot of heat is generated. In dim light, that occurrence can be seen as a pink sort of glow.

Breaking granite can produce sparks.

So, Yeah. Possible.
 
I have seen standard wolff rounds make sparks on the floor of our indoor range here in town and have always wondered how it was happening if copper nor lead could make a spark.
 
An awful lot of Wolff ammo uses copper washed steel bullet jackets.

Steel will make sparks when it hits rock or concrete.

Couldn't find the rock?
It probably disintegrated into dust, or got knocked into low earth orbit when the bullet hit it!

rc
 
You must have some of them "Hollywood" bullets. They make sparks when they hit ANYTHING. Car tires. Plywood. Windshields. Dirt. Is it possible your wood planks might have some old nails in them?
 
they are hard to see in daytime, but with NV, you see sparks on almost every impact (edit, on steel/similar. not paper obviously)
 
At what point does hot lead & copper get considered a spark? I think Drail found it, a nail in the wood got hit.
 
Bullet impact into a berm could cause two rocks of certain make-up to hit and shatter. I've created sparks by shooting rocks with a slingshot onto a concrete paved street.

Forest service trucks have been known to cause fires when driving on roads with flint rock on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg0V8neBzRA
 
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One winter when there was a blanket of snow on the ground at around dusk I found myself shooting part of an old wash machine I found in a creek. Without a doubt those big 54R bullets were making noticeable sparks when they hit the metal wash machine. As I've personally witnessed this first hand, I do not need anyone to tell me that bullets don't make sparks even when shooting at sheet metal.

They certainly do make sparks.
 
You can get a spark on every shot with Wolf hitting concrete or metal posts.
 
This has come up before, many have said that they had to stop shooting on military ranges to go put out fires that started when shooting, even just regular ball ammo.

The commie ammo with steel jackets or steel cores in particular sparks like crazy when shooting at large rocks, almost like fireworks.
 
With any amount of dust particles generated by whatever reason, there could be spontaneous combustion of the fine particles. In small enough quantities, they do look like sparks.
 
If this was with milsurp ammo check the bullets with a magnet.

A lot of the old communist block ammo uses copper washed mild steel for the jacket on the bullet. And then there's the possibility of the fabled steel penetrator embedded in the lead core which produces light armor piercing rounds. But mostly it's "just" a mild steel jacket that is copper plated.

But even the mild steel can produce sparks if it hits a nail or some embedded sand in the wood.
 
they are hard to see in daytime, but with NV, you see sparks on almost every impact (edit, on steel/similar. not paper obviously)

No NV, but using your trick of hanging a glowstick near the target I get some interesting sparks. Really neat when they hit something else and change direction.
 
Sparking happens all the time. When the fire danger gets bad around here they will either ban bullets containing steel (jacket or core/insert) and if really bad, all target shooting.

Mike
 
MutinousDoug said,

When a cylindrical projectile is turned into a platter shaped projectile in a very short moment of time, a lot of heat is generated. In dim light, that occurrence can be seen as a pink sort of glow.

Breaking granite can produce sparks.

So, Yeah. Possible.

True.

You hit anything with anything else and heat will be produced.

Sometimes enough heat that enough light is produced to see it.

If the "anything" that contacts the other "anything else" is at high enough velocity, you will definitely see light, regardless of the materials.

Examples:

Copper hitting ice producing light:

The impact (especially see the movies):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact_(spacecraft)#Impact_phase

Backstory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact_(spacecraft)

Another (impactor probably rock/ice hitting rocky surface):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqrJ4cW6Z4c

In the atmosphere, it's also possible for the ejecta to be hot enough to ignite, producing light.

But if you smack even a lead target with a lead projectile at a high enough velocity, you will see a flash.

So the perennial question of "do bullets create sparks?" is in general only answerable in terms of the tensile strengths of the materials involved and the relative velocities, but with the complicating factor of whether the resultant impact particles can burn in air, like steel can.

(Another complication is in terms of the relative masses of the two objects --in other words, hitting a grain of sand with a .22LR bullet is unlikely to produce light, whereas hitting concrete with a .220 Swift will probably produce a light flash.)

There's a lot of flint rocks on the National Grasslands, and I used to enjoy shooting at them near dusk with a "mere" .357 to see the occasional flashes.

So the "BS" flashes that you see in the movies are not impossible, merely unlikely. But they can happen.

What's improbable is that they seem to happen with every shot. :D

Terry, 230RN
 
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I have heard that it's possible to do it with a lighter "flint" in the nose of an HP.

Not recommended as a casual/careless experiment.

No, I've never tried it.

Terry, 230RN

REF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocerium
(Note therein that neodymium magnets can also produce sparks when broken... I wonder if that's because high voltages might be developed during the fracture.)

ETA REF (Found it later):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJnRZ7Tuw9w
(Note the little critter running across the berm at ~1:05.)
 
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