Bullseye loads with .45 230 grain RN

[RussellC]

Recently requested same info for 9mm and had really good results. Now how about your .45 230 grain RN? Today I tried 5.1 grains under a X-treme 230 grain RN, at 1.275. Shot very well, seems I need to go a little more. Whats everyones fav 230 grain RN loads with Bullseye. Remember to include the OAL figure. My 5.1 had a single stove pipe in the Glock 30 S, is what led me to think about upping the power a tad.

Thanks in advance!

Russellc

 

[nettlle]

4.0 Bullseye, 230 grn RN, 1.258" OAL

 

[Okcafe86]

5.0 bullseye, 230GR LRN or FMJ, 1.270" OAL. I wouldn't want to go much over 5 gr of bullseye; perhaps limp wristing?

Note: these are .45 acp loads; shot from a 45 Springfield XD.

 

[lauderdale]

Can I ask you Guyz what 45 cal. guns your using to shoot with? glock 30 s ?

 

[mbopp]

Colt and Springfield 1911's
5.0 gr BE with cast 230gr RN.

 

[wlkjr]

I think your OAL may be a little long causing the stovepipes. My 30s does not do this with the same bullet at 5.0 grains. I've since gone to the Xtreme 200gr. HP at 4.5 gr. Bullseye which I like better. I really really like the 200gr. SWC but the gun just won't operate reliably with SWC bullets. It might with an aftermarket barrel but I couldn't use it in GSSF matches.
I have some Bayou 200gr RN on order that I plan to test with some W231. I have high hopes for that load.

 

[rcmodel]

5.1 is a little hot already.

4.7 with a jacketed 230 is a duplicate Mil-Spec load.

OAL should be 1.265" to 1.271" if your bullet is also mil-spec ogive shape.

If it is rounder & shorter you will have to seat shorter.

But regardless of that 1.275" is the MAX allowable length to fit in a magazine.
And it is too long with most all bullet shapes.

rc

 

[RussellC]

Can I ask you Guyz what 45 cal. guns your using to shoot with? glock 30 s ?

In my case yes, Glock 30S.

Russellc

 

[RussellC]

Sounds like mine are plenty stout as is

The reason I was wondring is that Alliant is showing up to max. 5.7 at 1.26, which must be really hot. Bullet specified is Speer 230 gr TMJ RN. Lyman is showing 5.3 max at 1.275, with same Speer round nose, which is the length I am using. Lee shows up to 5.7 with "230 grain jacketed" bullet (whatever that is) at 1.260. This is why I was wondering where everyone else is. Mine are 1.275 or slightly shorter and they go through the Glock mag. fine. I was shooting with firm two handed grip, Isosceles stance, no limp wristing today. I check powder weight every so many rounds on a scale, I suppose a light one could have slipped through, (Lee Pro Powder Disc) but the Bullseye was very consistent.

I think I will stay no stronger than where I am, considering I dont yet have a chronograph. Just seeing those larger numbers made me wonder. Sounds like my 5 to 5.1 is plenty stout! I had already made a small batch to try at 5.3 with 1.275 length, now I am wondering if I should even try them...

Thanks for the input!

Russellc

 

[wlkjr]

Not your average target load.

 

[RussellC]

5.1 is a little hot already.

4.7 with a jacketed 230 is a duplicate Mil-Spec load.

OAL should be 1.265" to 1.271" if your bullet is also mil-spec ogive shape.

If it is rounder & shorter you will have to seat shorter.

But regardless of that 1.275" is the MAX allowable length to fit in a magazine.
And it is too long with most all bullet shapes.

rc

Sounds about right RC, I dont (yet) have a chronograph, but my Lyman book, talking about Military .45 says that when it was changed from 200 grain to 230 grain it traveled at 850 fps. Looking at lyman info for the Speer jacketed RN they show starting load 3.8 1.1275 going 662 fps out of Universal Receiver, 5 inch barrel, with 1-16 twist. Max load of 5.3 going 878 fps, so what you are saying in very close to their info, not accounting for different guns and conditions. Also, just like you said the engineers drawing of the .45 ACP round shows a round nose, (not specified) at 1.275, which I presume is max length.

The bullets I loaded were RMR extra thick plate 230 gr RN, mostly, a few X-treme 230 gr RN. Also have Winchester FMJ 230 gr RN on hand as well.

Again, thanks for the info guys!

Russellc

 

[RussellC]

I think your OAL may be a little long causing the stovepipes. My 30s does not do this with the same bullet at 5.0 grains. I've since gone to the Xtreme 200gr. HP at 4.5 gr. Bullseye which I like better. I really really like the 200gr. SWC but the gun just won't operate reliably with SWC bullets. It might with an aftermarket barrel but I couldn't use it in GSSF matches.
I have some Bayou 200gr RN on order that I plan to test with some W231. I have high hopes for that load.

Maybe mine are a tad long. Only 1 stove pipe (first ever) out over a 100 rounds. I have a box of the X-treme 230 grain HP bullet, I think I will give that a try. Whoops, I just noticed yours are 200 grain. I do have some 185 grain Xtreme FP bullets I could try until I can order the 200 gr. HP.

I also have HP-38 I want to try as well.

 

[BYJO4]

I use 5.0 gr of Bullseye with a 230 gr FMJ bullet by Precision Delta. My OAL is
1.255. This load works extremely well in all 4 of my 1911s.

 

[savanahsdad]

5gr. bulleyes under lasercast 230gr RN out of a S&W 1911

 

[Peter M. Eick]

4.9 grns of Bullseye with a Lasercast 230 grn LRN or MBC's equal. Les Baer PII.
5.0 grns of Bullseye with a 230 FMJ for my Pre-25.

Both to 1.272, cci300 primers, generally starline or some winchester brass.

 

[Dudedog]

I use 4.3 with RMR 230 RN @ 1.23 in my Citadel, also use 4.3 with MBC lead 230 RN slightly shorter OAL worked better for me with these 1.21.
No function problems in full size 1911.

 

[jabo52521]

45ACP load

4.6 grain Bullseye under 230 grain lrn fired from a Norinco model 1911.

 

[Quags]

I'm running:

Xtreme 230 gr CPRNs or MBC 230 gr LRN
4.0 gr Bullseye at 1.24"

Springfield Loaded and ATI Commander. No issues. Very accurate.

 

[Tony k]

4.7 grains bullseye. OAL of 1.26 with Xtreme 230 grain bullets. Good load for both my Kahr cw45 and my Taurus PT1911.

BTW: Xtreme 230grainers have a blunter/ rounder profile than some of the actual FMJs I've tried from Zero and Horndady. 1.27 would probably be too long with Xtreme bullets in my guns.

 

[hanno]

4.7 grains bullseye. OAL of 1.26 with Xtreme 230 grain bullets. Good load for both my Kahr cw45 and my Taurus PT1911.

BTW: Xtreme 230grainers have a blunter/ rounder profile than some of the actual FMJs I've tried from Zero and Horndady. 1.27 would probably be too long with Xtreme bullets in my guns.

Same load with Berry's Bullet. Have shot a bunch, a mild accurate load out of a Colt, Kimber & DW 1911.

 

[LiveLife]

Glock 30's octogonal rifled barrel has very smooth rounded start of rifling with longer leade/freebore than some 1911 barrels with quicker start of rifling/shorter leade and maybe allowing more high pressure gas to leak around the bullet before the chamber pressure builds.

As rcmodel posted, different 230 gr RN bullets often have different nose profiles (ogive) and need to be seated deeper to pass the "plunk test" but with some factory barrels with longer leade like Glock, lengths even longer than SAAMI max will pass the test (For 40S&W Glock barrels and 180 gr plated RNFP/TCFP bullets, 1.155" will work even when SAAMI max is 1.135" ).

If the stove piping is the result of slide not fully cycling and you don't want to use higher powder charges, you could try shorter OAL to increase the initial chamber pressure and see if you get any stove pipes.

 

[Toprudder]

4.7 grains bullseye. OAL of 1.26 with Xtreme 230 grain bullets. Good load for both my Kahr cw45 and my Taurus PT1911.

BTW: Xtreme 230grainers have a blunter/ rounder profile than some of the actual FMJs I've tried from Zero and Horndady. 1.27 would probably be too long with Xtreme bullets in my guns.

I have a Witness 45, 4.5" barrel, that I can seat the Xtreme 200/230 RN to 1.300 before it engages the rifling. Of course, that is 0.025" over max SAAMI spec. The same barrel will not plunk a RMR 230 at 1.220", I have to seat those to 1.200" to chamber and cycle reliably.

 

[RussellC]

Glock 30's octogonal rifled barrel has very smooth rounded start of rifling with longer leade/freebore than some 1911 barrels with quicker start of rifling/shorter leade and maybe allowing more high pressure gas to leak around the bullet before the chamber pressure builds.

As rcmodel posted, different 230 gr RN bullets often have different nose profiles (ogive) and need to be seated deeper to pass the "plunk test" but with some factory barrels with longer leade like Glock, lengths even longer than SAAMI max will pass the test (For 40S&W Glock barrels and 180 gr plated RNFP/TCFP bullets, 1.155" will work even when SAAMI max is 1.135" ).

If the stove piping is the result of slide not fully cycling and you don't want to use higher powder charges, you could try shorter OAL to increase the initial chamber pressure and see if you get any stove pipes.

RC or BDS, any suggestions for a 230 RN that is military ogive shape? I reloaded some Winchester RN FMJ to 1.265 or so with 4.7 grains Bullseye. I will try these shortly!

Russellc

 

[Sunray]

Been loading 4.5 of Bullseye with a 230 RN or TC for bullseye shooting for eons. No issues at all.

 

[wlkjr]

RC or BDS, any suggestions for a 230 RN that is military ogive shape? I reloaded some Winchester RN FMJ to 1.265 or so with 4.7 grains Bullseye. I will try these shortly!

Russellc

Russell, I would suggest doing the plunk test and go from there. I do that on any new bullet I load.