Berry's plated 230 grain rn

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I started reloading recently for 45 acp using Hornady FMJ 230 grain RN and HP-38. The powder loading started at 4.2 and worked up to 4.8 grains. 4.8 grains cycled my gun most of the time but I will load 4.9 and pretty sure it will cycle 100%.
Berry's website says use low to mid range FMJ data. Am I safe to assume if my gun won't cycle reliably with less than 4.8 grains under FMJ I will need to start my loading at 4.8 with the 230 grain plated? I am concerned because 4.8 is above the mid-range loading suggested by Berry's.
Also, where would one find a source for loading data on the Berry's 185 gr hbrn? I ordered both the 230 grain rn and 185 gr hbrn.
Thanks
 
That is a good bullet, and you can push it to 800+ FPS easily with no problems, with a variety of powders. Which powder are you using? I used W-231 & AA #5 with them.
 
Data below is from Hodgdon. The first data is for a lead bullet - even at max load it is still under 900FPS - my threshold for Berrys is to stay under 900-950 FPS as it keeps the plating on and minimizes leading.


230 GR. LRN Hodgdon HP-38 .452" 1.200" 4.3 699 12,200 CUP 5.3 834 16,900 CUP

185 GR. HDY JSWC Hodgdon HP-38 .451" 1.135" 5.0 762 12,000 CUP 5.9 906 15,800 CUP


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I only have HP-38 now, but will be trying another soon. It seems WST is pretty popular.
 
Try 5.0 Grs of HP-38. It should cycle your gun just fine and be safe. 5.5 Grs will be close to factory velocities using 1.265 as an O.A.L.
 
Thanks for the replies. I should have stated my question differently. If I know what it takes (powder loading) to reliably cycle 230 gr fmj, is it probable it will take the same using 230 gr plated? Are there other factors I am not thinking about? Assume coal is the same, I have been using 1.20.
 
I'm no expert, but I shoot both 230 gr plated and FMJ in my 1911, and use 5.5gr of Unique for both, and have found no difference.
 
I many times I have used full jacketed loads.The biggest thing is Berrys doesn't recomend going above 1200fps(no worries about that in 45). I use whatever load will cycle my gun and shoot good, whether that be mid range or top end. I would keep going up till you get good cycling and have fun.
For 45 I've had good luck with 3N37,SR7625,and Auto Comp.N340 id good also and really soft recoiling.
 
I load Berry's using FMJ data. The gun can't tell them from FMJ. I've recovered Berry's bullets after being shot. The plating has always been intact. It doesn't wear thru going down the bore.
 
Just recently ran into the same issue, Berry's 230gr RN and I am using HP-38, started on the low end, went 4.4 - 4.6 - 4.8grs to work up a load. I was using a COL of 1.250, and the Hodgon site list's 1.200. These were way to soft and would not cycle the gun reliable.

After talking to some buddies that load the same thing they were all using 5.6grs of HP-38/W231 with out any issues. So I loaded up some more at 5.0, 5.2, and 5.5grs. The 5.0 had the same issues, but the 5.2 and 5.5 worked good, so I settled on 5.4grs of HP-38 with a COL of 1.250, crimp diameter of .470-.471. Gun is a 3rd Gen S&W 4566TSW,

Not sure why Hodgon's site is so low on the charge weight, maybe the shorter COL, but the Lyman's 49th is a lot higher.
 
I have been using 1.20
That is too short for that bullet. Use 1.265 give or take a little.

5.0 Grs W-231 will work with any 225/230 Gr lead, plated, or jacketed bullet when loaded to a reasonable O.A.L..
 
230gr Berry's RN with 5.0 or 5.1 W231/HP-38 at 1.260 works great in my 5" Govt 1911.

Less is smoky, more isn't any more accurate, and just uses more powder than needed for range ammo (the main reason I reload).

That's pretty much in the middle of the range for this powder. I started low and worked up to here (and beyond a few steps) before settling on this load and OAL.

Stay safe
 
jef2015 said:
If I know what it takes (powder loading) to reliably cycle 230 gr fmj, is it probable it will take the same using 230 gr plated? Are there other factors I am not thinking about?
Yes and yes.

Most plated bullets sized same as jacketed bullets will cycle the slide with the same powder charge.

Berry's website lists 45ACP plated bullets as sized larger at .452" compared to .451" for jacketed bullets. Because of the larger sizing, Berry's bullets will generally provide tighter bullet-to-barrel fit, especially for oversized factory barrels and produce higher chamber pressures (reason why Berry's recommends you use start-to-mid range jacketed load data). I typically use lead load data with Berry's bullets and get reliable slide cycling/spent case extraction and very good accuracy.

Berry's also sells Hollow Base (HB) bullets in 45ACP and the hollow base expands better (obturate) to produce more consistent chamber pressures and greater accuracy. My experience with HB bullets has been that I can use same lead load data or slightly less to produce the same level of accuracy (probably due to less high pressure gas leakage during powder ignition).

As to others needing to use more than 5.0 gr of W231/HP-38 in their pistols to reliably cycle the slide, I am guessing that they are experiencing more high pressure gas leakage due to larger than .451" groove diameter barrel, longer leade (space the bullet jumps from the case neck/chamber to the start of rifling) and the use of shorter OAL that allows more high pressure gas to leak around the bullet, which all reduce the chamber pressures and would require more powder charge. As Walkalong posted, the use of longer 1.265" OAL will allow the bullet's bearing surface to engage the rifling sooner and build chamber pressure faster, which would seal the bullet to the barrel sooner and leak less gas ... hence why 5.0 gr powder charge works for so many pistols/barrels.

I have used 5.0 gr of W231/HP-38 with various 230 gr RN (jacketed/plated/moly coated/lead) at 1.25"-1.265" OAL (depending on leade length) and it has worked well in various pistols with very good accuracy. Some shooters I know have to use 5.2-5.5 gr due to difference in reloading variables.

To get least amount of high pressure gas leakage and greater accuracy with less powder charge, determine the Max OAL using the barrel out of the pistol (bullet should drop in freely and spin without hitting the rifling) then determine the Ideal OAL by function check testing from magazine to feed/chamber by manually releasing the slide without riding the slide with your hand.
 
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Berry's also sells Hollow Base (HB) bullets in 45ACP and the hollow base expands better (obturate) to produce more consistent chamber pressures and greater accuracy.
My revolver (1955 Target) really likes them with 4.9 Grs WST. (Start low, work up, use at your own risk)
 

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Nice pistol Walkalong, the 185gr HBRN are one of my favorite bullets and I use the very same load as I do for the 230gr RN. It is a nice target load for my Series 70 Gold Cup. As far as velocities for the .45 ACP, the only time I've seen issues is more geared to a super deep crimp and not velocity related. The bullets we get more velocity calls on are the .357mag and .44mag bullets. I shoot all our .40 bullets in my 10mm guns with no problems, but a mag load and a tight roll crimp can be problematic for those revolver calibers.
 
A lot to think about for someone new to reloading. I was seating to 1.2 because it was listed by Hodgens. I believe the limiting factor for me will be tight tolerances of the magazine (FNP-45), not the chamber. I will try 1.25 next, if all goes well 1.265.
BDS, your explanation of oal in relation to powder loading is great. It's much clearer now. The information for hbrn is helpful also as I ordered some.
Also, it's nice to see someone representing the company adding their experience.
Thanks to all...
 
I agree with Walkalong.
1.200 is too short for Berry's 230 RN
1.265 is the Goldilocks OAL "just right"

Over the last 5 months I've probably fired 1,000 rds using that bullet.
1.265 OAL with 4.8 gr of Tite Group.
That seems to be the sweet spot for me.
 
jef2015 said:
BDS, your explanation of oal in relation to powder loading is great. It's much clearer now.
You are very welcome and that's what this forum is all about, helping others and sharing of safe and effective reloading information. I have lurked for a while before I posted here and learned A LOT from THR members.

The information for hbrn is helpful also as I ordered some. Also, it's nice to see someone representing the company adding their experience.
I tell you, Jay from Berry's MFG should be proud of those Hollow Base bullets. As far as I know, he's the only one offering them in plated bullets and with greater base expansion to obtain tighter bullet-to-barrel fit, especially for many oversized factory barrels (yup, my PT145 is waaay oversized), they provide more consistent chamber pressure build up and increased accuracy. Another plus? The 185 gr HBRN will load to 230 gr RN OAL for reliable feeding/chambering but at 185 gr price! Sweet deal indeed. Also, the lighter 185 gr bullet provides reduced recoil and many that shoot it get a pleasant surprise.
 
I appreciate all the positive input from this forum, we really try our very best to provide products that are a good value and work. The .45 185gr HBRN is one of my personal favorites for target and plinking of all our bullets. We've been shooting a lot of 9mm as of late and the new 124gr HBRN-TP is turning out to be a tack driver.
 
My 9MM's like it, that's for sure. My somewhat picky (hates 115 Gr) EMP loves it.
 
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