Burmese pythons establishised in South Florida and expanding range rapidly

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I live north of Tampa and these guys appear to be headed our way. I do a lot of camping, fishing and hiking along the Nature Coast and in the Green Swamp so I imagine I will be running into them soon. Aside from the obvious what caliber for 20 foot long killer snake, question?:rolleyes: Though this might be a serious question now that I think about. Most of the time I carry a .357 when I am hiking or fishing, would that be adequate for these things? How fast do they move? I wonder if a shotgun would be better - but I can't carry one unless it's hunting season...


What are the habits of these animals? Are they a serious threat to human - adults - children? Has anyone on this forum dealt with them in the wild? Are they found strictly in and around water like gators or do they travel into the woods and undergrowth?


Giant Python Could Be 'Health Hazard for Small People' in USA
By Terence P. Jeffrey
CNSNews.com Editor in Chief
February 26, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - The giant Burmese python, which can grow to more than 20 feet in length and weigh up to 250 pounds, has established a foothold in southern Florida and could spread to other warm-weather regions of the United States, posing "a health hazard for small people," scientists with the U.S. Geological Survey warned last week.

The pythons, which are native to Southeast Asia, were first discovered living in the wild in North America in the Florida Everglades in 2003.

All the wild pythons in the United States "descend, as far as we know, from pets that people released in Everglades National Park, USGS snake specialist Gordon Rodda told Federal News Radio last week.

"For whatever reason, people have a tendency to release unwanted pets in public lands," said Rodda, "especially federal lands such as Everglades National Park."

The pythons already have established themselves in other areas of southern Florida. "They are rapidly increasing in number and distribution," said Rodda. "They are spreading northward."

By creating a map of the U.S. that shows regions with climate conditions similar to the climate occupied by the python in Asia, the USGS has determined that climate alone would not limit the snake from spreading up the Eastern Seaboard as far as Delaware, and as far west as the Central Valley of California.

"So far as we know, the population of pythons is presently limited to Florida," said Rodda. "Right now, it appears to be almost exclusively south of Lake Okechobee. But the population also appears to be expanding very rapidly and spreading."

The worry is that the snake could pose a threat not only to animal species but also to the human species.

"They get very big," said Rodda. "And that is really the crux of the problem in keeping them as pets. When they get above a certain size, most people have trouble supplying them with adequate facilities. They get big enough to eat things. In Florida, we have already recorded them eating deer."

Pythons are constrictors. They kill their prey by coiling around it and suffocating it.

"We are very concerned right now about some of the mammals in South Florida and some of the birds that may be extirpated or even made extinct by this new predator. In addition, it is going to be a burden on people that have domestic animals of a suitable size, so we're thinking ducks, geese, chickens, turkeys as well as smaller mammals, dogs, cats, sheep," said Rodda. "And, of course, an animal that big potentially constitutes a health hazard for small people."

Bob Reed, a USGS biologist who worked to develop the maps showing the python's potential range in the United States, echoed Rodda's concern that the snake poses a threat not only to animals but also to people.

"Wildlife managers are concerned that these snakes, which can grow to over 20 feet long and more than 250 pounds, pose a danger to state- and federally listed threatened and endangered species as well as to humans," Reed said in a statement released by U.S.G.S.

"There's a whole variety of things that could be undesirable that might happen as a result of releasing these pets," said Rodda.
 
who cares about snakes when you've got alligators chasing you?
 
Gators aren't scary because I understand them, I know how to deal with them and I recognize the circumstances in which they pose a threat. (Actually, gators are little scary when they get close and you don't realize it until the last instance :eek:)

Burmese Pythons are not a known quantity so I am soliciting advice.
 
I hope never to see one of these unless I'm in a context where it would not be dangerous.Some forms of danger are OK, in small doses, but I am not Steve Irwin.

A couple of serious questions:

1) What would it take to kill one of these? I don't mean only "what caliber / bullet is appropriate?" (if bullets are even the best way), but where to hit and how hard it is to do.

2) Rattlesnake (IMO) tastes pretty good, when fancied up enough. Does python?

3) Does python skin have any use? Is it amenable to being made into boots, gun grips, fancy handbags, the interior paneling of a Subaru?

timothy
 
Just seeing pythons being fed live prey by pet owners and seeing an alligator attacking a large turtle when I went to the Everglades National Park, I think I'd rather have alligators loose than pythons that are big enough to attack humans. Although I'd less want a 15 ft alligator to grab hold of me, if you don't wade in unknown waters, you're probably going to be okay. Pythons drop out of trees and try other types of maneuvers. The Florida ecosystem is also made more to work with alligators than pythons.

In a thread on strangulation on THR, some say that a knife is better if someone's already strangling you, than a gun would be. However, if you see it beforehand, I'd probably shoot it with something like a shotgun. I'm thinking that the government officials probably wouldn't even care if you kill it and will probably congratulate you for killing an alien species that's taking over.

I haven't watched these animals in the wild, but all of the people who I've seen feed their pet pythons, and sometimes boas, the snake just sits there lazily like an alligator or any other reptile. Once the mammal gets close, it'll get that interested body language. Then with really quick speed it'll lunge at the victim. It'll grab it with its mouth, which has teeth that aren't for ripping but instead for grabbing, and are angled in one direction, so it would really hurt trying to rip you away from a mouth like that. After it bites the victim, it'll then coil around it. The animal will struggle, but the snake does it for a living (to eat) and knows what to do, so eventually the mammal will stop kicking. Then it'll swallow it head first. So, I'd hate to get attacked by one of those things. Some owners who have owned pythons over 20 feet have been killed by them; I found that out because I was thinking of buying a python that can grow to be quite long one time, but thought against it, not to mention it could get expensive feeding and providing a habitat inside your home for one of those things.
 
Burmese pythons are ambush attackers, they bite down with their hooked teeth
and quickly wrap coils around the prey and crush it. Most any caliber would quickly dispatch the snake if shot in the head. A knife will work just as quickly.
The Burmese and reticulated pythons grow to over twenty feet long, anything over ten and you got a problem because they are extremely strong.If it's a pet
and you accidentally get attacked pour any kind (or scream for help) of hard alcohol on it's head and it will let go immediately. There are many cases of pythons attacking people , mostly in the jungle ,but some were pets (Google it) BTW they make boots, belts and bags from the skin.
 
accidentally get attacked pour any kind (or scream for help) of hard alcohol on it's head

And there's your answer. A squirt gun filled with Jack Daniels. If it doesn't work on the snake, drink it yourself to kill the pain.
 
I would say a 10 or a 12 gauge with 4 shot would work great.

I would also say that since they are not native they should be killing all of them that anybody sees.
 
I saw one at the Miami-Dade Zoo Sunday ,
a big critter swallowing a very large rat with ease.
These guy's in the wild up to 20 feet long, have to be taken very seriously,IMHO.
 
Basically, the only major target you will be able to identify while it is at rest is the head. Other vitals are long stringy things that go for a significant portion of the body length. No easily identifiable COM. Shoot for head. If it's moving or wrapped around someone, you're kinda out of luck. If it's around you, attack what you can. If it's around someone else, a knife is better than a gun, just don't get caught up in it. The teeth are exactly as stated above. These snakes are also quite MEAN, and tempermental. IF you see one, MOVE AWAY. They don't slither all that quickly, but their strikes are gonna be faster than you can see. They hunt primarily by smell and heat sensors along their snout, attacking from ambush at close range. I doubt it would pursue you if you avoid an initial strike.

As for what to shoot a big one with? Anything that will do for a person should do for a medium to large snake, provided you aim for the head. Otherwise, buckshot, and LOTS of it. If you can't get a head shot, shoot the front to middle of it, instead of the back end.
 
I grew up in the Philippines and have dealt with these a little bit.

First, are they a threat? Well they have the gall to attack even very large gators so I'm gonna think that you taste better and would fight less unarmed. (most snakes probably aren't going to make you and back off though)

Do they taste good? Yes as a matter of fact they do. My Biology teacher in ninth grade had one and when it got to weighing more than he did, he took it to the Filipino maintenance men at our school and they all had a BBQ.

Yes boots and belts can be made from the skin, but if you think about it a 20foot snake skin on the wall might be a good burglar deterrent as well.

As for killing them. Once one gets a hold of you, part of the battle is going to be how big the snake is, but if you respond quickly you should come out okay. I do think at the range your fighting at if you've already been grabbed it's a little late to use a gun, but I would use a machete and not a knife as you really need to do some serious damage to the guys head and neck hopefully decapitating it. I'm going to warn you though that if you let the snake get a hold of you, your already in quite a bit of trouble. The security guards found one on our school property in a tree. It was shot 6 times with a .38 and twice with 12 gauge. Now the ammo was probably not the best nor the marksmanship, but the snake was hit every time, so you get the point, you don't really want to be fighting one of these at close range if you can help it. I would think that .357 would be enough, but when you can take a shotgun I would and I would do everything I could to keep the fight at distances where I had the advantage.

Hope that helps.
 
One plus is that as far as I know, there's no season or bag limit on pythons here!

That said, I think if you had one that was threatening you, but hadn't already attacked, you would need a shotty throwing lots of big pellets at the head to be assured of a rapid kill. As has been already mentioned, the vitals on a snake are pretty ambiguous. I haven't yet seen a python in the wild here, but I have no doubt that they're out there. I'd think the biggest threat would be to our own natural wildlife - they have little (or no) defense against large constrictors. We have fox, rabbits, coons, possums, boar... our deer are small enough that one deer would make a tasty snack to a hungry python. The only other threats would be to little kids and house pets. There are enough threats to kids that I never let our little ones outside without an adult.

Thinking about this, though, makes me want some new python boots...
 
Bill2e said:
Here is a link to where a Payton was foud dead with a 6 foot alligator in its mouth.

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Just imagine if Payton had played for the Colts.

Colt?

Payton?

Get it?

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Living in central Fl gators are a way of life. Snakes are to for that matter .
But big snakes that can eat you......... Keep a watchful eye out my friend.
 
Living in central Fl gators are a way of life. Snakes are to for that matter .
But big snakes that can eat you......... Keep a watchful eye out my friend.


Ain't it the truth ... I fish a swamp pond in Central Florida and the gators are plentiful along w/ the water moccasins ... I will not be surprised when I see my first large python there ... I believe they can swim as well as anacondas ... Now that is a scary thought :eek::eek:
 
Would severing the spinal cord work for a snake? I'd think that the .357 at contact range would at least compress the spine, leaving portions of the snake lower than the wound out of commission.
 
I had a red-tailed boa for about a year and a half, he died due to deficient care from the people watching him for me while i was at basic and ait. he was one of the best pets i've ever had, really a well-mannered snake. about seven feet long, prolly 25-26 pounds, he certainly could have broken a human's neck if he was of the mind to. my buddy who I bought him from was about to go to school to study reptiles, and said that with a snake like him, if he ever got crazy and wouldn't let go of me to jump in the shower, with the water as cold as it could go. he said that would cause him to loosen right up and fall off. I never had to test it, he would hold onto me tight, but just because he didn't want me to put him down.

it was so fun walking him, he'd wrap his tail around one of my wrists and hold on like he was holding my hand, he really didn't want to be left on his own. Miss you Stewie.
 
Answering Questions:

1) What would it take to kill one of these? I don't mean only "what caliber / bullet is appropriate?" (if bullets are even the best way), but where to hit and how hard it is to do.

For shooting a .357 if you are attacked every case I saw indicated they killed it by decapitation eg use a BIG knife.

2) Rattlesnake (IMO) tastes pretty good, when fancied up enough. Does python?

It is in survival guides, say's it makes good steaks. :D

3) Does python skin have any use? Is it amenable to being made into boots, gun grips, fancy handbags, the interior paneling of a Subaru

I suppose you could.
 
Well...somethings got to eat all those iguanas.

I saw a show on Nat'l Geographic recently that stuck in my mind. A guy got attacked by a huge snake and it had him wrapped up before he could do anything. He simply BIT it real hard, and it let him go. We tend to forget that our teeth are pretty good weapons. Eat the damned thing as fast as you can.
 
Pythons are rapidly multiplying down here due to people releaseing their pet snakes when they get too big or aggresive into our everglades. I've heard and seen a few attacks on people from big pythons. All of them were because the python was hungry and or aggitated of some sort resulting in bone crushing coil squeeze and even trying to swallow the person whole. If the snakes have been in the wild long enough well then they will result in instinct. If they feel they can get you down they will try. Check out this article that happened here not too long ago involving a 13 foot python and a 6 foot gator.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4313978.stm


Oops looks like Bill2e beat me to it
 
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