Florida Pythons: Prepare to be "Judged!"

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AB - we have hills here - folks from other states tend to call them "overpasses" though....:)

The pythons are killing the gators - they have no predator to control them, except man. They need to be treated like hogs and coyotes, although a bounty would be decent IF you can control folks so they don't screw up the fragile ecosystem while they're after the snakes
 
I'm sure PETA was all over that one.

"Don't hurt the snake, it was just doing what it does naturally!"

Actually you'd be surprised. A friend of mine has been working on the Iguana problem on Boca Grande island and PETA has been supportive of the project. Their opinion is that the lizards didn't ask to be here but because they are causing so much environmental damage they need to be removed. Killing is fine as long as the animal doesn't suffer. My friends page: http://www.iguanacookbook.com/

from this article http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090223/article/902230343

By DOUG SWORD

Published: Monday, February 23, 2009 at 1:00 a.m.
Last Modified: Monday, February 23, 2009 at 6:28 a.m.

There are lizards on Siesta Key -- and we're not talking about bling-laden 50-somethings lounging around the island's nightspots.

What scientists refer to as a reproducing colony of black spiny-tailed iguanas has established itself along Midnight Pass Road south of Siesta Key Beach. Previously, these colonies had only been found in Venice, Englewood and Manasota Key.

The invasion of reptiles -- not just iguanas, but also the more muscular and often nastier monitor lizards and even pythons -- is extending northward based on reported sightings and may be on the verge of a major population explosion, said Meg Lowman, director of environmental initiatives at New College of Florida.

Iguanas are now being reported along the coast as far north as St. Armands Key.

At first, iguanas are pleasing to tourists, who come to Florida partly for the wildlife and enjoy having their pictures taken with these cold-blooded sunbathers, Lowman said. But rapacious iguanas kill or force out native species ranging from gopher tortoises to ground birds, as they did on Gasparilla Island several years ago, and become a tourism negative.

Efforts at population control are ramping up here as they have in Charlotte and Lee counties in recent years. Since late last year, the county's trapper reports killing 150 to 200 iguanas in South County parks.

Widespread reports of iguanas up and down the coast have county officials worried because if the populations are not controlled now, the reptiles could turn into a big expense later. All they have to do is look to the south to see the cost: Charlotte and Lee counties have spent a combined $230,000 for iguana removal since 2007.

Meanwhile, monitor lizards, previously seen only in Englewood, have been spotted in The Landings and along the Interstate 75 corridor, particularly around the Celery Fields just south of Fruitville Road.

You don't have to tell Hera Konstantinou, a Landings resident, about how aggressive monitor lizards can be. A 4-foot-long one was caught in her yard last summer and another one has been reported down the street. The captured monitor nearly broke through the corner of a fenced kennel he was temporarily placed in.

"He was very husky. This guy could easily have taken apart one of my retrievers," Konstantinou said. Monitor lizards can grow to 50 pounds.

There seem to have been an unusual number of "Missing Cat" signs posted in her neighborhood recently, a suspicious Konstantinou confided.

"I got a feeling a couple of these missing cats may have become a snack."

She may be right, since experts say that monitor lizards have been known to eat the occasional cat.

The iguana killer

While county officials are worried about a Gasparilla redux involving iguanas virtually wiping out bird and gopher tortoise populations, trapper George Cera fears the spread of monitor lizards, particularly the alligator-like Nile monitor.

"The Niles are horrible to think about being here," Cera said, noting how quickly the lizard can replace native species. Their taste for gopher tortoises is particularly worrisome, since the health of many other native species relies on the burrowing tortoises, says Cera, credited with killing about 15,000 iguanas on Gasparilla.

Plus, the Nile is a triple threat to capture. "I lost the tip of one of my fingers to a Nile monitor," Cera remembers. "You are dealing with tails, teeth and claws."

Generally speaking, it is unusual for one of these reptiles -- native to Central America, South America, and Africa -- to attack a person, Cera said. However, like alligators, if people feed them, the animals lose their fear of humans and an attack is much more likely.

An early effort to start compiling all the sightings by the public, county employees and New College personnel puts pythons in Oscar Scherer State Park, and iguanas in Myakka State Forest, Nokomis Beach, South Lido Park and the Celery Fields at I-75 and Fruitville Road. Monitor lizards may have established a breeding ground in the Celery Fields, a popular bird-watching area.

In cold blood

Options for controlling the reptile population proposed by New College include monitoring, rapid response, public education, study and a separate research program on pythons, which are seen as an escalating problem. All of these approaches, though, lead to devising ways to more efficiently locate and kill the animals, although county officials avoid using that word.

"When it's over, the animals are no more," said Amy Meese, the county's natural resources general manager, slowly and carefully picking each of the last five words.

The county has met with local animal rights activists and is sensitive to concerns that the reptiles be eliminated humanely, Meese said.

In contrast, New College's Lowman shows no hesitancy to display her opinion on what should be done with these cold-blooded animals.

"Stop studying them and start killing them!" was the quote Lowman used from a fellow academic in a column she wrote last year.

It's a simple choice to Lowman: Either get rid of these invasive reptiles or be prepared to witness the disappearance of an of an array of native species.

While squeamish about all the killing, animal rights groups appreciate that choice and are not criticizing local governments so long as the reptiles are killed humanely.

"It's just such a frustrating situation for everyone involved," said Tori Perry, senior cruelty case worker for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA.

The shame of the situation is that these animals did not choose to come to a place they are not wanted, she said. Most were released by pet owners who purchased them on impulse.

With no natural predators, the reptiles can take over Florida's ecosystems because they are "the biggest, baddest thing out there" and they've come to an area rich with food, she said.

"Getting loose in Sarasota County was kind of like candy for these guys," Perry said.
 
FWC begins Burmese python permit program

From the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commision website.


July 16, 2009

A program to begin addressing the invasion of Burmese pythons in the Everglades begins on Friday, July 17. The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) initiated a permit program that will allow herpetology experts to go into state-managed lands in South Florida and search for and euthanize Burmese pythons and other Reptiles of Concern.

FWC staff screened the participants in this initial program. All permit holders are required to provide the FWC with GPS locations of each captured python and to take a digital photo. The FWC will then study the data, which will include location, size and stomach contents, to help further understand the spread of this nonnative species. Armed with data, the FWC can share valuable information with the U.S. Geological Survey and Everglades National Park, which are investigating the behavior and biology of the Burmese python for a better understanding of the snake's requirements for survival. This knowledge can help eradicate the Burmese python from Florida.

"One Burmese python is too many," said Scott Hardin, the FWC's Exotic Species Section leader. "We hope this program is the basis for a larger, expanded program that will aid us in preventing the spread of this species."

The permits for the first phase of this program go from July 17 to Oct. 31. The FWC will then evaluate expanding the program.

"This is a good way to collect information critical to finding the best way to eradicate this harmful snake," said Nick Wiley, the FWC's assistant executive director. "This is a strategic and responsible approach to begin solving the problem of pythons in Florida."
 
Burmese pythons in the wild in Florida

Also from the FWC website.

Approximately 112,000 of these Asian snakes have been imported into the United States since 1990.

Everglades National Park has been the site of suspected releases of these exotic pets, with population predictions in the tens of thousands. The National Park Service reported the removal of 311 Burmese pythons from the Everglades in 2008.

Other pythons have been captured in Big Cypress National Preserve and Collier Seminole State Park, north of the Everglades; areas around Miami to the northeast; Key Largo to the southeast and other lands, both public and private, throughout the region.

A recent report from the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) shows that the Burmese python could survive throughout Florida. The report states that other factors, such as food and shelter, need consideration, but the "Burmese pythons and other giant constrictor snakes have shown themselves to be highly adaptable to new environments."

A non-venomous constrictor, the Burmese python preys on native Florida species of mammals, birds and reptiles, as well as nonnative species including black rats.

According to the National Park Service, the appetite of the Burmese python poses a serious threat to some of Florida's already endangered species. Burmese pythons have eaten Key Largo woodrats, a federally endangered species.

The Burmese python may reach a length of 26 feet and a weight of more than 200 pounds. The largest Burmese python captured in the Everglades was 16 feet and 150 pounds. Its native habitat ranges from India to lower China, throughout the Malay Peninsula and on some islands in the East Indies. It usually lives near water.

Although semi-aquatic, this snake is a good climber.

Pythons lay eggs, unlike boa constrictors. A female Burmese python may lay 50-100 eggs and will wrap its body around the clutch to keep it warm and to defend the eggs against predators. The female python can raise its temperature by rhythmically twitching muscles, which generates heat and helps incubate the eggs. This incubation process may last two to three months. Once the eggs are hatched, young pythons are on their own to survive.

The USGS and the Everglades National Park are investigating the behavior and biology of the Burmese python to get a better understanding of the snake's requirements for survival. Their findings also will assess the risk of invasion into other areas of the United States.
 
You mean that "my go-to favorite gun for bears" thread will be replaced with "what do I use for pythons"? I guess it will be a change of pace, though I doubt I'll see one in Wi. Of course, with all the global warming, who knows.
 
:Dno such thing as a man eating snake... fyi... maybe a child eating snake.. but no record of a snake ever eating a person... tests have been done... opportunities have been had... they cannot get past the shoulders....:what:

yes... they unhinge their jaws to accomodate larger prey, but there are limits to the size of what it can accomodate... scientific studies have shown the only way a snake could swallow a full grown MAN would be for it to #1 be a big ass snake....check and #2, turn the gun up on one shoulder to take the shoulders on end (one shoulder to top jaw and the other to the bottom jaw), seeing as they cannot do this (no hands) and no snake practices turning its head sideways to swallow its prey... no known snake (even the 50 footer) has the ability to stretch its mouth far enough to swallow a MAN in the fashion in which snakes swallow their prey.
 
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I was watching Monster Quest and they are predicting they'll spread over the lower third of the U.S. given a reasonable amount of time.

Luckily my chupacabra gun should pull double duty on any pythons or boa:D X
 
I was watching Monster Quest and they are predicting they'll spread over the lower third of the U.S. given a reasonable amount of time.
I've kept and bred snakes including large constrictors for a number of years and it seems unlikely to me that they'll go much further north than they already have.

US Fish and Wildlife claimed that the Burmese python would spread that far north based on their natural range across Asia, which goes as far north as southern China and northern India, ignoring the fact that all the animals that were ever imported for the pet trade were collected much nearer the equator and do not have the cold tolerance of their cousins to the north. One good freeze kills them, and although that's rare in Georgia and Alabama it happens often enough to stop their progress. Couple that with most people's visceral reaction to huge snakes and I'm fairly confident that they can be stopped in their tracks, so to speak. After a few millennia of evolution and adaptation they may be able to take the cold, but no one reading this today will be affected.

Aim for the head, the heart and lung (most have only one) on a snake are far smaller than a mammal of equal weight and their slower heart rate and metabolism mean that they will bleed out very slowly.
 
They issued FIVE permits--To experienced herpetologists. only! Hardly "doling them out."

Also a really BIG snake can BREAK and dislocate your shoulders. I will NOT be surprised when we start hearing about man eating snakes in Florida, documented man eating snakes.

Florida should institute a bounty TODAY. We've PROVED over and over again that overhunting can eradicate a species, why not try and eradicate this invasive species before its too late?
 
Don't forget the machete. It's the only way to go in for close hand to hand combat with snakes. Wait, would it be called "hand to hand"?

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Anyways, the fear of snakes seems a little silly to me.
I have a pet python, but of course he's domesticated. He turned 12 in April.
But I have kept and handled several wild snakes over the years.
They are pretty pathetic without hands, feet, or brains.
Pythons and boas have a relatively slow strike and can be dodged when you see it coming.
 
Dravur After all the yuppie white collar typies that had the snakesand let them go or lost them during hurricans it will take the (swampbillies ) as you call them to kill them off . Ain't many city boys going to walk around the swamps look'n now are YOU. Darn *****. The park service needs to give a open bounty on them and allow free access to the glades and cypress/hardwood hammock area's again or they will never be under control.
 
Show me where you CAN'T go in the Glades? About the only place I know is the reservations....I think most of you need to take a trip there before you recommend what gun to use. in Big Cypress and Fakahatchee you could use a long gun in only a few places but in the hammocks pistol only- there just so tight with plants you would be using it as a walking stick more then anything. And down on the coast 10,000 Islands part of the park- there ain't anywhere to walk! Pure Mangrove forests surrounded by water. And let me tell you all who think you come down here to hunt snakes in the glades- you won;t last 30 min with the summer skeeters-

When the CCW's are allowed to carry in the parks again then you might get a few more snakes shot, but hunting is going to be a stretch. I think more hog hunters will kill them then snake hunters....

my .02 as a everglades fan- I have going there for a long time and have covered a lot of ground/water and I have not even scratched the surface. Big place for sure....
 
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