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Bush Guard Commander Recants AWOL Charge

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  1. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    __________________________________________
    With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
    For the story behind the story...

    Friday, Feb. 6, 2004 11:26 a.m. EST

    http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/6/113036.shtml

    Bush Guard Commander Recants AWOL Charge

    The ex-military man who first launched charges during the 2000 presidential campaign that President Bush had gone AWOL from the National Guard has recanted his story.

    The account from Brig. Gen. William Turnipseed, who told the Boston Globe four years ago that Bush never showed up for Guard drills with his Alabama unit, had become the centerpiece of Democratic attacks on the White House in recent days.

    "Had [Bush] reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not," Gen. Turnipseed told the Globe in May 2000. "I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered."

    But on Wednesday Gen. Turnipseed reversed course, telling NBC News: "I don't know if [Bush] showed up, I don't know if he didn't. I don't remember how often I was even at the base."

    Still, the same day the retired general had withdrawn the allegation, Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe was citing Turnipseed's earlier, erroneous account in a bid to keep AWOL charges against Bush afloat.

    "The commander this week reiterated the entire time [Bush] was supposed to show up in the Alabama National Guard he wasn't there," McAuliffe told CNN's "Inside Politics" on Wednesday. "He said he made it up later, but you don't have that option. When you're supposed to serve our country, you're supposed to be there."

    In fact, McAuliffe was wrong on the latter point as well, since Guard regulations expressly allow for make-up drills, according to no less an authority than Gen. Turnipseed himself.

    In July 2000, the New York Times reported, "Colonel Turnipseed, who retired as a general, said in an interview that regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter."

    Asked if McAuliffe was prepared to apologize to the White House for misstating Gen. Turnipseed's position on the Bush AWOL allegation, a spokesman for the DNC told NewsMax: "I don't know. We'll get back to you."
     
  2. Thumper

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    I saw this earlier on the freep boards...I just can't believe the guy's name is Turnipseed.

    :D
     
  3. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    A good name for a character out of that Kubrick movie "Dr. Strangelove," Gen. Turnipseed meet Gen. Ripper, Gen. Ripper meet Gen. Turnipseed :D
     
  4. HunterGatherer

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    Never listen to field grade officers. O-4 and below are the only ones that have it together. :D
     
  5. yayarx7

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    This is just a non issue people.

    I am a member of the Texas Air National Guard. If I needed or wanted to take a year of drills off, and they could spare me, it would happen. You just make up your days later. There is a fella in our unit who lives and works in China. He comes to Texas once a year and does a month or two of drill days in one stint. Common occurance. If they have to have me at drill and I do not show up, they send the SF's after me. Simple.
     
  6. HunterGatherer

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    Yeah yayarx7, but you are just basing that on real life military experience. What makes you think that you are more of an authority than a gasbag like Mikey Moore hmmm?
    ;) :D
     
  7. c_yeager

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    The fun part is that NONE of the papers that printed the AWOL charge in the first place are going to run this article. Accuracy/integrity has no place in todays media.
     
  8. agricola

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    so has proof been found that Bush reported in?
     
  9. HunterGatherer

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    More like no proof was ever found that he didn't report in. After serving all of his active service as a better than average fighter pilot as the pilots he served with have attested to, President Bush served his remaining time in a number of different National Guard details i.e. Alabama and Massachusetts.

    Those of us with actual U.S. military service understand this. We saw similar situations all the time.

    The funniest thing of all is that this chuckleheaded excuse for a General officer didn't seem to grasp that he would have been guilty of dereliction of his own duty had there actually been a soldier AWOL under his command that wasn't dealt with appropriately.

    Michael Moore, media elitists, et al. have no idea what duty is in the first place, ergo they are unaware of the sort of negligence the General would have been admitting to had President Bush's absence been more than a figment of his imagination.

    [/YAWN] :rolleyes:
     
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    Sounds like they got to the general to me.
     
  11. HunterGatherer

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    Sounds like someone with no clue as to the specifics regarding what constitutes a fulfilled committment in the National Guard to me.
     
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    Dubya was Honorably Discharged...anybody with any military experience knows that this is all a bunch of hokum.

    "They" got to the general, Malone? Are you kidding? :rolleyes:
     
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    Looks like the General's original comment was either taken out of context or "massaged" by someone with an agenda. Naaaaahhhh, we all know that'd never happen....
     
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    Luke, you're not going to let those commies in here and let them vomit all over us, are you?
     
  15. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    It's not my decision. Oleg Volk owns this forum. He and the moderators decide whose participation is desired. At times it seems that their forebearance toward one poster is misplaced, albiet understandable from the standpoint of forebearance towards the mentally ill. Luckily, the ignore button always does the trick in dealing with that poster who seemingly can't rise above wallowing in childish taunts and insults, let alone offer an informed opinion on gun ownership.
     
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    Seems to me this ought to be proven fairly quick. Locate the DA form 1 or whatever they call the morning report. It lists status for everyone assigned to the unit. SIDPERS would be another source.

    Maybe we have a deal here-I won't accuse you of being AWOL if you don't bring up the fact that I accused the majority of Viet vets of being war criminals in front of Congress?
     
  17. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

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    Oh wait a minute.... were you talkng about the movie?:D
     
  18. Delmar

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    yep-have a copy and it is one of my favorites.
     
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  20. Leatherneck

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    Thinking, thinking....................Ag, may I please buy a clue? :confused:

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    *laugh* I like it, Ag.
    I especially like that neither your pot, nor your kettle were black.
     
  22. Thumper

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    I think ag was trying to say something about pots, kettles, and black.

    *edit* Posted too late... :D
     
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    NewsMax seems to be taking liberties with their headlines. It seems that the guy is just restating what he said earlier in a different way.

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    Not too terribly familiar with military protocol, are ya there, w4rma?

    Why am I not surprised?
     
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    I don't think that paperwork means what w4rma thinks it means... ;)
     
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