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Buyers Remorse? Home Defense/Tactical Shotgun

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The problem is rc made a negative comment about the only accessory on Johnny G's gun that Johnny actually likes. Then pretty much everyone substantiated and supported that comment. Johnny doesn't appear to want to hear from people "in the know" about shotgunners that say a PGO is a complete and utterly useless accessory. He probably also doesn't want to hear that anyone that has had any weapons disarmament training will tell him what a tactical disadvantage a PGO really puts him in. He only wants to know about the side saddle.

JONNY!!!,
Dave McCracken (GRHS) forgot more about shotguns than you, or I, will ever learn.

READ AND TAKE HEED OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE PGO!!

They aren't telling you to buy a different gun. They are trying to provide you with knowledge and insight you don't have that will help protect you and your family. Isn't that worth listening to???
 
OP The pistol grip has its merits (maneuverability) and shortcomings... You cannot click off the safety with finger on trigger as with a full stock. Nano seconds count in SD crisis situations. You can hip shoot a full stock but you can't shoulder a pistol grip....
 
If you insist on storing your gun unloaded and don't like the side saddle you could get a couple of those bad ass bandoleers and wear them criss crossed around your chest like all the bad asses in those western movies. That's bad ass man.
Might be a little uncomfortable to sleep in but that's the cost of being tacticool while having an unloaded shotgun ...... at the ready.
I think those PGs are pretty bad ass too. When someone sees you with that and some bad ass bandoleers criss crossed around you chest their gonna know you're a playa.
I know.... I know the ultimate question. 'Does he have 7 unloaded rounds in the gun or only 6'..... 'Truth is... In all the excitement I plumb forgot'.... 'Do you feel lucky'? 'Well do you'....
That would be a bad ass line in a movie.
 
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone, since I'm an ordinary forum member about to call out mods that have posted on this thread, but...

This thread has never been about the PGO on a shotgun, so why in the heck have MODERATORS actually dedicated their entire posts to the fact that he has a PGO shotgun?

I don't like PGO shotguns. I've never seen and don't believe I'll ever see a PGO outshoot a full stocked shotgun, and usually when someone purchases a PGO shotgun, I recommend they put a full stock on it and try it out to see if they like it better.

Well, in this case, the OP HAS tried both full stock and PGO shotguns (an earlier post shows he has a 20ga remington shotgun), and decided on the PGO after that. I don't believe there's anything further to add there.

So, now that I've gone and said that, my advice regarding the shell holder is going to make me seem like a complete ass, but here it goes. <insert deep breath here>

....Have you tried one of those topfolding stocks that has a built in shell holder? I've never been interested in those, so I couldn't tell you who makes them, or which options are better quality than others, but it sounds like it'd help balance out the weight of the shotgun, or at least keep it from being off-kilter to just one side.
 
Well, in this case, the OP HAS tried both full stock and PGO shotguns (an earlier post shows he has a 20ga remington shotgun), and decided on the PGO after that. I don't believe there's anything further to add there.
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Let's say you have a friend with a toddler. And one day you find out that your friend isn't using a car seat for his child, instead opting to drive around with the kid belted in the front seat with just a regular lap belt.

Now, in the course of a conversation with said friend, he tells you "You know, I'm not sure if I should get the rims for my car that spin, or the rims that light up. I'm just not sure which one is cooler."

Being a reasonable person, you suggest to your friend that perhaps, instead of worrying about his rims, he ought to install a child safety seat in the car to protect his kid in the event of an accident.

"No," he responds "I tried one of those things, and it was hard to maneuver him into place and that it took too long to belt the kid in, so I've decided to just use the lap belt. It's a lot faster, and I feel like it works best for me."

Now, at this point would you simply drop the subject and tell him that you think the light-up rims are the way to go, or would you continue to point out that he's made a decision that is putting his kid in danger?

Similarly, home defense is a subject that should be taken incredibly seriously as lives may well depend on the outcome of a home defense situation. In the event of an HD situation, you're going to want the most effective, fast, and accurate tool at your disposal, and regardless of the feelings of the OP, there isn't a single respectable self-defense professional I know of who advocates the use of a PGO shotgun for home defense.

Similarly, experiences from Dave McCracken, Sam1911, Fred Fuller, myself, and others (both members and staff) have shown a common thread that PGO shotguns are inferior in nearly every way to a shotgun with a traditional sporting stock or a tactical stock with a pistol grip.

Given that a home defense situation may very well be deadly serious, I'm of the opinion that it's best to let someone know when they've made a choice that will have a negative impact on their ability to properly defend himself and his family.
 
This is a (admittedly rare) case where someone has satisfied all of the conditions that I would ask of them before making a decision. He's tried both, and likes one better.

I will still disagree that it's the better choice, but at this point I cannot make the claim that he's made an uninformed and ignorant decision.

It's the difference between giving advice (asked for or not), and trying to force someone to adhere to your dogma.
 
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I will still disagree that it's the better choice, but at this point I cannot make the claim that he's made an uninformed and ignorant decision.
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Seems to me that he's made an ignorant decision in spite of the best knowledge and information available. Whether specific advise was sought or not is irrelevant.
I'll just leave it at that.
 
Don't make any changes until you practice with it abit. Then you'll know whether you like it.
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In real "scenario" training, with a timer, and side-by-side with a full-stocked gun. It should be enlightening, though it's been done so many times now that it shouldn't HAVE to be done again.

As Will Rogers said, "There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."

(And, of course, there will always be a few guys who walk a little funny followed by small wisps of smoke, who swear it didn't hurt! :D)
 
While I can admit that can tend to fall into that third category, it is the 4th that I try to stay away from. While not ideal, a lesson learned the hard way is better than not at all :)

My advise is still go shoot the damn thing and figure out for yourself that it is not a good option. While I have honestly never pulled the trigger on a PGO, I know that I would much rather have something more to hold on with.
 
Guy's maybe the OP is an exhibition shooter :D if he is then perhaps he can beat the pants off the average shooter with his pgo! :rolleyes: :neener: :rolleyes:
 
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