C&R License question

[JoeMal]

Hey All

So I'm applying to get my C&R. One of the questions asks about if I have a hunters license (which I don't, I don't hunt). You either select yes or no.

Well, under the question, it says "If you answered NO, you likely cannot lawfully possess a firearm and therefore cannot be a federal firearms licensee"



I wasn't aware I had to have a hunters license to 'lawfully possess a firearm'. Does this make sense? So am I going to be denied because I don't hunt?

Can anyone clarify this for me?

 

[bonza]

I've had my C&R FFL for about four years now. To be honest, I don't recall that question on the application I filled out but, like you, I don't hunt either & had no problems getting the C&R. If I were you I'd contact the BATF, I emailed them the other week with a question & they were very prompt & courteous with their reply. Their email address is: [email protected]

 

[JHK94]

Does is say "do you have one" or does it say something like "are you ABLE to get a hunting license"?

 

[JoeMal]

Does is say "do you have one" or does it say something like "are you ABLE to get a hunting license"?

It specifically says:

Are you in possession of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States? YES ____ NO ____

1. If you answered "NO", you likely cannot lawfully possess a firearm and therefore cannot be a federal firearms licensee.
2. If you answered "YES", complete the following information, and attach a copy of the hunting license or permit to the application

I've had my C&R FFL for about four years now. To be honest, I don't recall that question on the application I filled out but, like you, I don't hunt either & had no problems getting the C&R. If I were you I'd contact the BATF, I emailed them the other week with a question & they were very prompt & courteous with their reply. Their email address is: [email protected]

Thank you, I emailed them

 

[jimmyraythomason]

I have had my C&R license for over a couple of years and I'm almost certain that question was NOT on the application that I filled out.

 

[JoeMal]

I have had my C&R license for over a couple of years and I'm almost certain that question was NOT on the application that I filled out.

I know I have the right app, it says "Curios and Relics Application" at the top

 

[jimmyraythomason]

I don't doubt it. It still wasn't on the application that I filled out. I KNOW I would have remembered that! Having a hunting license or engaging in the sport of hunting has nothing to do with collecting C&R firearms.

 

[zoom6zoom]

That section (10) only applies to non-immigrant aliens. (and it says so under "Country of Citizenship" in section 9.) Skip it.

 

[Flash!]

It was on my application and I answered NO.... it doesn't mean squat if you are otherwise qualified....

My question about C&R's is why don't all FFL dealers accept them? eg. CDNN sells some C&R guns but not to C&R holders.... today I bought a Russian M44 nagant from a local dealer.... my C&R was not good enough for them... I still had to fill out the 4473 form to satisfy them.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

That section (10) only applies to non-immigrant aliens.

Okay,probably why I didn't see it or remember it.

 

[Balrog]

My question about C&R's is why don't all FFL dealers accept them?

Mainly because they don't know what a C&R is.

 

[mgkdrgn]

It was on my application and I answered NO.... it doesn't mean squat if you are otherwise qualified....

My question about C&R's is why don't all FFL dealers accept them? eg. CDNN sells some C&R guns but not to C&R holders.... today I bought a Russian M44 nagant from a local dealer.... my C&R was not good enough for them... I still had to fill out the 4473 form to satisfy them.

I'm not sure an M44 is old enough to qualify as a C&R. Is it 50 years? If then, it would just squeek in.

 

[JoeMal]

That section (10) only applies to non-immigrant aliens. (and it says so under "Country of Citizenship" in section 9.) Skip it.

You are right. I emailed them and that's what they said.

I wasn't sure....I thought I may be looking too deep into the question but I wanted to be sure. Thanks

 

[CoRoMo]

non-immigrant aliens

Correct.

Page 6, section 10, question C.

http://www.calguns.net/CR/CRFFLForm7CR.pdf

Here's a scan of the app. A hunting license is often used to verify the legal status of non-immigrant aliens.

 

[JoeMal]

Correct.

Page 6, section 10, question C.

http://www.calguns.net/CR/CRFFLForm7CR.pdf

Here's a scan of the app. A hunting license is often used to verify the legal status of non-immigrant aliens

I wish I had used that form....those 'fillable' forms are quite nice.

 

[vett3v]

I'm not sure an M44 is old enough to qualify as a C&R. Is it 50 years? If then, it would just squeek in.

M44's are C&R and from my experience most places will have you fill out the 4473 but not call it in, they just file it with a copy of your signed C&R license for CYA purposes.

 

[Shadow 7D]

No, they take a copy of your FFL and log it out in the book to you with you FFL # instead of a proceed number, you already passed the background check, no need to do forms, that is why you paid your $30.

 

[OldMac]

The clerks at Gander Mountain just want your $10. Their eyes glaze over when you try to explain that this obviously copied piece of paper gives you some sort of special status. They just keep parroting the response that the law requires them to blah blah blah. They don't know and don't want to know. My final response is to walk away.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

No, they take a copy of your FFL and log it out in the book to you with you FFL # instead of a proceed number, you already passed the background check, no need to do forms, that is why you paid your $30.

A dealer is not required to accept a C&R ffl and can insist on doing the 4473+ NICS check. It is his call.

 

[Blackhawk30]

This why I didn't keep my C&R.Most dealers won't take it.I mostly used my C&R for cross border private sale buys of older guns or ordering from CIA,sog ect..

 

[Shadow 7D]

AH, well that is why I go to my LGS, he got hemmed cause he displays his collection, a very nice and quite substantial collection. His last inspection, they made him get an 03 and a separate book, correlated to each piece of the collection and a display number for each gun, so now not only it his shop a nice place to visit, but it's also a museum....

none of my LGS charge a "background fee", and every one I've been to has said they accept an 03, but I did have to explain to one counter guy that the original isn't signed unless you are turning it in, but I would be willing to sign a copy made by them.

 

[stchman]

I don't know why people get a C&R and then try to buy C&R approved firearms locally!!!

The whole thing about getting a C&R is to have the ability to have C&R approved firearms shipped directly to your house.

You can save the $20-$30 on transfer fees from your local FFL. You can also deal with Gunbroker people selling C&R eligible firearms and they can ship them to your house.

I would imagine the reason some FFLs won't accept yout C&R is that they are not 100% up on what is eligible and they would rather be safe than sorry.

 

[zoom6zoom]

Well, if you happen to have several local dealers who happen to have a decent selection of C&R stuff, and they realize that it's easier to accept your 03, it's nice instant gratification. No shipping, hands-on inspection.

they made him get an 03 and a separate book, correlated to each piece of the collection and a display number for each gun,

By their own regs, he would NOT have had to log any of them that he had owned prior to the 03 being issued.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Naw, I believe he argued that, but they considered it more like a museum collection, and that is something that I am not familiar with, but it was nice coffee and he has a hell of a collection

 

[MarkDido]

I don't know why people get a C&R and then try to buy C&R approved firearms locally!!!

The whole thing about getting a C&R is to have the ability to have C&R approved firearms shipped directly to your house.

You can save the $20-$30 on transfer fees from your local FFL. You can also deal with Gunbroker people selling C&R eligible firearms and they can ship them to your house.

I would imagine the reason some FFLs won't accept yout C&R is that they are not 100% up on what is eligible and they would rather be safe than sorry.

I remember the pained expression on the drivers face (FedEx or UPS, can't remember) when he lugged my new Mosin Nagant and tin of 550 rounds ammo off the truck!