CA: AB 352 is on the Senate floor!

[SIGarmed]

Please write, call, or fax ASAP. This gun micro-stamping bill is on the Senate floor. Don't let the liberal fascist Assemblyman Koretz win this one.

This must be defeated.

http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab352

 

[Standing Wolf]

This bill would, commencing January 1, 2007, expand the definition of unsafe handgun to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters, that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and which are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired.

Don't they ever get tired of hopping up and down for patently stupid ideas?

 

[Shaun]

Only in California -- If this passes I am no longer selling ammo to customers in the state

 

[3rdpig]

Only in California -- If this passes I am no longer selling ammo to customers in the state

I think that's the whole point of it. The micro stamping is a red herring, the real object is to make ammo unobtainable.

 

[DelayedReaction]

So what happens when they market ammunition that comes in hardened steel cases that can't be stamped? How exactly do they plan on preventing people from just filing the imprinter off?

 

[Tropical Z]

I'm sure there must be a "file and your'e a felon" provision in there.Rotten creeps.I hope all gun manufacturers stop selling to any government agency.California is so pathetic.

 

[bg]

I'm here in Ca and it is a fight. The author of this bill is the same who
presented AB50 the 50 cal ban, got it passed in both the Senate
and Assembly with Conan signing it.

Now you've all seen how the other states as well as some in both the
House and the Senate are trying to get a ban on the 50. Say this
this terrible bill ab352 does make it to the Governor's desk and AS
signs it into law..

Do you think if this happens, that other states won't follow suit ?
Don't bet on it.

This type of anti-firearms cancer starts somewhere, and when
it does, as with most other malignant things, it spreads unless
caught and killed early. That's why our fight here is really your
fight too.

 

[hillbilly]

First, I hope California can beat this stupid law.

I hope you can make those criminals in the legislature do right.

But second, I want to call BS on something that I've heard for years and years and years.

For decades, I have heard "once it happens in California, it'll then spread EVERYWHERE!"

To perfectly honest, I really, really, honestly have come to believe that this statement was originally made by some Californian who greatly overestimated the significance of what goes on in that state.

For years, and I do mean years and years, I have been waiting for "what happened in California" to happen in Arkansas.

You know what?

I'm still waiting.

In fact, what happens in California is seen as such a freakin' joke in the vast majority of "fly-over country" that today, all anyone has to do is just say, "You know.......California" and give a little roll of the eyes, and everybody gets the joke immediately.

When the very name of the state has become a joke inside the United States, I think that shows how much influence the events in California have.

But if by "everywhere else" you mean New York and Massachusetts, well those places are pretty much jokes inside the United States, too.

In other words, this idea that once it happens in California, it's destined to happen everywhere is just another example of both the coasts aggrandizing themselves over the great vast fly-over wilderness of the deepest, darkest interior.....

hillbilly

 

[SIGarmed]

To perfectly honest, I really, really, honestly have come to believe that this statement was originally made by some Californian who greatly overestimated the significance of what goes on in that state.

I'm a Californian and I totally agree with you on this. Some people think they're the center of the universe.

The danger is that at this time the authors of many of these bills that are written in California have stated outright that they wrote them with the idea that their bills should be implemented in whole country. SB 357 the ammunition micro-stamping bill is an example. It was just pulled from being considered thankfully because we pretty much beat it back IMHO. Anyhow the author of said bill Senator Dunn stated in print that his idea was for the same bill to be implemented nationally. That really ticked me off.

 

[Gewehr98]

Hillbilly, I'm totally with you on that sentiment.

Having wasted 10 years of my life in the PRK, it still never ceases to amaze me how the politicos and population there seem to think they're supporting a national agenda.

I got news for them. I can buy a .50 caliber Barrett right now. And the AWB sunset last September for those of us in the free states, regardless of what happened in the PRK.

I'd love to see a California bill like the serialization of bullets come across a state assembly, say, in Texas. How long do you think it would survive?

 

[Neil San Diego]

I think that's the whole point of it. The micro stamping is a red herring, the real object is to make ammo unobtainable.

I believe you're thinking of SB357, which was the ammo identification bill. That one is currently off the table. AB352 is the micro-etching of semi-auto pistol chambers, with the intent of leaving the serial number of the pistol "etched" into the spent brass. FYI.

Neil

 

[bg]

Do you think if this happens, that other states won't follow suit ?

Yes I should of been more careful with "other states". I for one don't
see Ca as the ground zero for more anti-firearm bills moving to ALL the
other states. However one must see that some states with a liberal
majority in power have in fact followed Ca's SB23 or it's version of
the so-called Assault Weapons bill, now state law, and in fact have
come up with some clauses in drafted bills which are even more restrictive.

I hope with a lot of work both these inane bills will be defeated. AB352
is still current, and though SB357, the bullets serial num nonsense
has been pulled, it doesn't mean that it won't show up again.

I see it this way. In states with Dems in power, the gun issue always
brings about goofy bills. Not all gun related bills are bad, but those
are few and far between.

One last thing, the WH and Congress won't always be in the hands
of the GOP. There are those in D.C just waiting to pounce on the
firearms issue and will when the status quo changes..Just my 0.02

 

[Standing Wolf]

...the WH and Congress won't always be in the hands of the GOP. There are those in D.C just waiting to pounce on the firearms issue and will when the status quo changes.

Predators tend to be patient creatures.

 

[Beethoven]

Bump.

Status update???

 

[Luchtaine]

I think that the what happens in california stuff was before the place got so nutty. From my friend who is getting her PHD to be a professor I heard that California Universities etc have gotten so liberal that the East coast wont even touch their grads As for the .50 its been on the elitist hit list for a long time. That being said its best to fight anyways.

Nonetheless, I will go wirte my state senator.

 

[R.H. Lee]

First, I don't if the technology even exists to 'microstamp' cartridge cases, and if it were possible, would handgun manufactureres even comply? Or would they just abandon the CA market?

This nonsense only makes sense to people who have no knowledge of guns or criminals. It's being marketed as though it gives law enforcement an 'audit trail' of crime back to the criminal. The assumptions are:
1) The criminal will lawfully purchase a handgun in California, registering the make, model and serial number to himself.
2) He will then commit a crime with that handgun, leaving the imprinted cartridges at the scene (and of course if it happens to be a revolver, he'll open the cylinder and eject the brass).
3) Law enforcement will recover the spent brass, run it through the computer database, id the perp, and arrest him.

uhhhhhhh.....what could go wrong?

If this becomes law, it will only prevent legal sales of non-compliant handguns to law abiding citizens. It will not prevent nor assist in solving crime.

And yes, y'all in those 'free states' will be subject to more and more restrictive anti gun legislation because it will come from the federal level.

 

[Bruce H]

Any idiot senator that supports this needs left on the senate floor.

 

[Luchtaine]

Here I have proof that California is gone way crazy. EVEN Feinstein said, "This isn't the San Francisco that I've known and loved and grew up in and was born in."

Its in regard to the City Council rejecting allowing the USS Iowa to be docked in the city because of

"But city supervisors voted 8-3 last month to oppose taking in the ship, citing local opposition to the Iraq war and the military's stance on gays, among other things.

"If I was going to commit any kind of money in recognition of war, then it should be toward peace, given what our war is in Iraq right now," Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi said.

Feinstein called it a "very petty decision."


Sorry it has nothing to do with the Bill just showing that California probably can't lead the nation anymore if even Feinstein can be suprised by it.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

To perfectly honest, I really, really, honestly have come to believe that this statement was originally made by some Californian who greatly overestimated the significance of what goes on in that state.

What do you think the AWB was?

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Yeah caught the USS Iowa thing this AM. What a bunch of idiots...

Also, the mayor of SF should have been duckwalked out of City Hall in chains over the gay marriage issue. (BTW, I don't give a hoot either way on gay marriage, but when there is a LAW it should be enforced.)

They think they are in their own little economy in SF. We should throttle them.

How about if there are no aircraft controllers to land your planes??

How about if there are no airports in the US who will receive a plane from SF?

How about a special tax surcharge on anything shipped into SF, or out of?

Put the financial arm on these socialist liberals and they will scream like babies...

 

[bg]

What can one expect from a Board of Sups and a Mayor who reject the
Iowa & it's history, but has passed into city law allowing city workers
some of the city's money for sex change operations..?

What happened to my ole home town ? It used to be golden, now it's just
sadly tarnished...

I apologize for getting off topic

 

[Luchtaine]

The California AWB is worse than the Federal AWB and came after the federal one. California ban took effect 1/1/2000.

The problem with California are all the people that have moved here. The good thing is they are concentrateing in one spot. Then we can trade California to Mexico on the condition that no californians are allowed to leave.

Just tell them its for the Children as you dash across the border to the US.

 

[Beethoven]

How about if there are no airports in the US who will receive a plane from SF?

How about a special tax surcharge on anything shipped into SF, or out of?

I would absolutely and completely support such propositions.

EVERYONE understands money. Hit people in their wallet and they notice.

Perfect example is Fidel Castro, who recently attained a net worth of around HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.

Yeah, he believes in communism.

I think the state of CA should increase sales & income taxes in the bay area by a few hundred percent, just for the heck of it.

 

[Librarian]

California ban took effect 1/1/2000.

Ah, no. The Roberti-Roos law was passed in 1989, effective in 1990. In 2000, Don Perata got a 'feature test' added, which expanded the coverage; prior to that, it was a list of named weapons.