ArchAngelCD
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Sounds good to me...
caliber for hunting large deers
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cracked butt
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The only person I've ever know to use a .458 win on deer used cast loads with a mv of about 1700 fps. He shot a lot of deer with it and claimed that it was a very good deer killer and didn't do excessive meat damage. I've shot his loads in his rifle and they are very mild in reoil. Of course this guy is retired, has more rifles than I'll ever own and has a lot more time to tinkere with cast loads for hunting than I do.
For all intent and purposes, something chambered in 30-06, 270, 308, or a similar cartridge will serve your purposes much better
For all intent and purposes, something chambered in 30-06, 270, 308, or a similar cartridge will serve your purposes much better
tinygnat219
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.30-06 Will take care of any game in North America, and 90 percent of anything else in rest of the world. It has legs, good velocity, good energy, and there are more than enough loads out there that really let you get the most out of this cartridge. Deer really haven't mutated in the past 30-50 years to the point where a .458 cartridge will do anything except waste more meat.
MCgunner
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Has anybody made the retort that you can buy .30-06 at the 7-11? That always seems to be the main argument for the 06 even though most of my guns have never had a factory round fired through 'em. I like the .30-06, but I'm just sayin'.......
I like the .30-06, but I'm just sayin'.......cracked butt
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[/Has anybody made the retort that you can buy .30-06 at the 7-11? That always seems to be the main argument for the 06 even though most of my guns have never had a factory round fired through 'em. QUOTE]
There are plenty of gas station/convience stores in rural areas of Wisconsin that carry it
Clipper
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Every one of you guys have been essentially posting the same response for three days, while this dude hasn't even bothered replying yet...Why bother?
Marintime Mike
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What ?
A .458 Winchester Mag ? For Deer ?....Do you want to kill the deer or disintegrate it ?
A .458 Winchester Mag ? For Deer ?....Do you want to kill the deer or disintegrate it ?
mljdeckard
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I always advise: USE ENOUGH GUN.
Having said that, DANG. This question is like asking, which truck should I buy? A Chevy 1500 or an International flatbed? Two very different animals.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and GUESS that you have located a rifle in the .458 that seems like a good deal, so you're trying to talk yourself into it. Shoot one a few times, see if you still think it's a good idea.
Having said that, DANG. This question is like asking, which truck should I buy? A Chevy 1500 or an International flatbed? Two very different animals.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and GUESS that you have located a rifle in the .458 that seems like a good deal, so you're trying to talk yourself into it. Shoot one a few times, see if you still think it's a good idea.
Shawnee
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I would underscore the previous two posters.
A good experiment would be to go fire a 30/06 one day and then on another day go shoot a .243 Winchester - keeping in mind that either one would easily kill any North American deer that was ever born.
A good experiment would be to go fire a 30/06 one day and then on another day go shoot a .243 Winchester - keeping in mind that either one would easily kill any North American deer that was ever born.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Didn't you know you needed multiple calibers for deers?
Now if you're after deer---that's a whole nother matter.
Now if you're after deer---that's a whole nother matter.
Tarvis
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25-06 is capable of taking elk sized game with proper bullet selection. 458 is a rediculous question. Seems to me like someone was playing a practical joke, trying to see how many people would respond to a stoopid question, like "should I use a .22 LR or a .577 T Rex for killing squirrelses?"
O well, got me I guess
O well, got me I guess
Shawnee
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Hi Tarvis...
"Seems to me like someone was playing a practical joke"
Methinks you are quite correct there, Tarvis.
"Seems to me like someone was playing a practical joke"
Methinks you are quite correct there, Tarvis.
10X
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The 458 Win Mag is a bad choice for deer. The 458 was designed forAfrican big game hunting. Elephant, Rhino, Cape Buffalo and Lion. Look at these animals in a zoo they are huge and tough. The 458 bullets are either solids or very tough expandable bullets. They won't expand on deer, they will just blow through. The 458 is not a long range caliber. These guns are punishing to shoot and accuracy suffers because the shooter is getting beat up.
I could see using one on polar bear or brown bear, but other wise the 30-06 is suitable for everything else in the North American continent.
I could see using one on polar bear or brown bear, but other wise the 30-06 is suitable for everything else in the North American continent.
SpeedAKL
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.30-06 will be far easier on the shoulder, avoid a nuclear level of muzzle blast, and has more than enough power for any deer you'll find. It won't burn through your wallet as fast, and you'll enjoy shooting it much more.
ducktail
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What did a deer ever do to make you mad enough to consider a 458? A 30-06 is plenty.
LeonCarr
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Ya never know, he might need a .458 if he runs across Hogzilla's older brother on his deer hunt .
All joking aside, get a .30-06 for the large deers and a .338 Winchester Magnum for large bears. You can probably get both of those rifles for what a .458 would cost.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
.All joking aside, get a .30-06 for the large deers and a .338 Winchester Magnum for large bears. You can probably get both of those rifles for what a .458 would cost.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
86thecat
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If you are really interested in a bear stopper that will work well on deer look into a 375 H&H, same trajectory as a 30-06 and you can use 235gn for deer just try to stick with a rifle under 8lbs if you'll be carrying it a lot. A 416 Rem Mag would work well with 300 grainers but the recoil may be a bit much. High velocity does more meat damage than a heavy bullet at reasonable speed. Recoil makes some shooters grin and some flinch so best to try before you buy.
I shoot a 458 and have not yet found a bullet that will give a trajectory I'm comfortable using beyond 200 yds. Also even reloading it costs about a buck a round using good bullets more using premiums.
I shoot a 458 and have not yet found a bullet that will give a trajectory I'm comfortable using beyond 200 yds. Also even reloading it costs about a buck a round using good bullets more using premiums.
theken206
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One important thing to remember, can you afford to practice with a .458 enough to become proficient Check out the price of a box of .458, Wow.
You should see me halfway twitch when paying for a good premium box of .270WSM
But IMHO it is one of the best modern rounds. And if you it really need/are going to be talking long range shots hunting {Past 300 yards to me} its a round to look into.
It moves FAST and hits HARD.
http://winchester.com/products/catalog/comparerifle.aspx?symbol=SXP270S&atype=1&ctype=1&action=1
Compared to some quite typical heavy skinned game rounds{in weight}
You should see me halfway twitch when paying for a good premium box of .270WSM
But IMHO it is one of the best modern rounds. And if you it really need/are going to be talking long range shots hunting {Past 300 yards to me} its a round to look into.
It moves FAST and hits HARD.
http://winchester.com/products/catalog/comparerifle.aspx?symbol=SXP270S&atype=1&ctype=1&action=1
Compared to some quite typical heavy skinned game rounds{in weight}
qajaq59
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I'd say get the one that you are the most likely to practice with on targets.
I wish they would stamp that on every stock in big red letters.
AStone
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Classics worthy of sig lines.
This thread is the most entertainment I've experienced in ... days. Thanks.
Big deer? .30-30.
86thecat
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Nematocyst,
I respectfully disagree, he asked about a rifle for deer AND bear defense. If you shoot a bear without a tag and it doesn't have powder burns you will have a lot of explaining to do. There are firearms that will do both effectively if you can shoot them.
I respectfully disagree, he asked about a rifle for deer AND bear defense. If you shoot a bear without a tag and it doesn't have powder burns you will have a lot of explaining to do. There are firearms that will do both effectively if you can shoot them.
jpwilly
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30-06 performs almost the same as 300 Win Mag on game far better than any 30-30 and similar or slightly better than most everyting else under it save for some Mags and Elephant guns. What else could you possibly need. If you want a short action get a 308. My 30-06 a Mossberg ATR Wal Mart special cost $249 + $39 for Rock Mount Bipod + $69 for the Centerpoint 4-16x44mm IR Mil Dot Scope and shoots MOA more like 3/4" 3 shot groups at 100yrds.
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